woo hoo!

small town beck

ForestBrain wrote:

That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.

Oh so "God" gets to decided that and you just do his judging for him? :rolleyes: how very noble.

Also some people don't consider it murder, you do and that is your belief so good for you but that isn't everyone's. For too long woman were treated like second class citizens.

I agree with Prism...

Brain of J.Lo

ForestBrain wrote:

But if there is a God, believe me, people are going to pay for killing their babies.

and people are also going to pay for judging others. remember, all sins are equal in the eyes of God. IF there is one, as you say.

Ahnimus

If I was pregnant with a baby that had anencephaly (no brain) and the baby was going to die shortly after birth anyway, I don't see the point of going through 9 months of pregnancy. But hey FarestBrain I see where you are coming from.

soulsinging

ForestBrain wrote:

That why I continued in my first post. I knew that was done. But at least ONE method has been made illegal.
I do not want kids, in the worst way. But if I ever got pregnant, I would not get an abortion. If you can't control yourself, you can't make the baby pay for your mistakes. If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's. That little baby cannot protect himself. I am a woman, I don't want kids, I respect some...not all..(I have no respect for women that get abortions), but I darn well would never kill my own kid. I can't even believe that's legal.
What a cold-hearted, selfish world.

so i assume you're a virgin? or if not, that you've only had sex with one woman and that is your wife and it was after you were married before god?

hippiemom

ForestBrain wrote:

ohhhh, I see. It's perfectly okay for a woman to decide to murder her baby. I'm SO sorry.

And you think it's perfectly ok for YOU to decide which one of them lives and which one of them dies? Who the fuck are you?

Ahnimus

hippiemom wrote:

And you think it's perfectly ok for YOU to decide which one of them lives and which one of them dies? Who the fuck are you?

lol, love this debate, round and round we go, where it stops nobody knows.

catefrances

ForestBrain wrote:

That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.

so when you say you'd leave it in the hands of God, does that mean you'd not seek medical intervention of any kind?

Rushlimbo

I bet you wouldnt mind this procedure if Iraqis were using it.

tara

ForestBrain wrote:

The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

that's right, the woman got pregnant ALL BY HERSELF. or maybe she was asking for it, is that it? perhaps if they actually taught sex ed, and not just abstinence in ALL the states then this wouldn't be such an issue.

i love it when a group of politicians, who basically don't know anything about anything get together and make decisions about something as involved and complex as medicine or science (as with conservation and climate change) and the rest of us get to suffer because of their misinformation and miscomprehension, this makes me so fucking angry.

i'd also like to say, since we're on the subject, that canada is only MARGINALLY better than the states when it comes to abortion. it's legal here, but THEY DON'T TEACH IT IN MEDICAL SCHOOL!!! that's right, if you want to learn how to give an abortion, you have to actively set up a clerkship at a clinic that does them. what the fuck is wrong with this world?

to those that are against abortion, i ask you this: when in this situation, a woman can get desparate, and will try to self-abort, this includes throwing herself against the ground, sticking sewing needles, wire hangers, or sticks into her vagina, or go to a back-alley 'surgeon', this will not only lead to aborting the fetus, but can also cause severe infection, and hemoraging, all of which can lead to death. IS THIS THE SOLUTION THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE?

tooferz

ForestBrain wrote:

That why I continued in my first post. I knew that was done. But at least ONE method has been made illegal.
I do not want kids, in the worst way. But if I ever got pregnant, I would not get an abortion. If you can't control yourself, you can't make the baby pay for your mistakes. If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's. That little baby cannot protect himself. I am a woman, I don't want kids, I respect some...not all..(I have no respect for women that get abortions), but I darn well would never kill my own kid. I can't even believe that's legal.
What a cold-hearted, selfish world.

i cannot say more than hippiemom or any of the others have said. so i'll say this....mothers n fathers kill their born and living children everyday in much uglier fashions.

and i'll leave you with this.....

when my son turned 13....i figured out why some animals eat their young.

redrock

ForestBrain wrote:

That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.

Then you would both die....

Quak

Don’t we have enough human on this planet? Western countries are consuming for far more then the earth can provide. More then I can count are starving, kids are dying faster then I can type. So why give birth to any more fucked up kids?

Abortion is NOT something you just do and nobody is doing it for fun. A lot of women choose an abortion because it happened at the wrong time, and later when they are ready they actually give birth to a child and give it a good childhood.

Your almighty god is saying that we are doomed anyway, satans son is coming to punish all of us, no such thing as global warming is happening, all evil is because of the non believers or the muslims. Bla bla .. a lot of crap ..

Nobody has any proof of god exist, ALL the proofs I can see is created by men. That is why it is called _faith_ and NOT knowledge. So don’t come here with your crappy finger pointing or “I know best because my god tells me” sh#t.

And yes I believe in god, I have a wife and kid.

Jeanie

ForestBrain wrote:

....................The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

Oh that's right you believe in Immaculate Conception.

You just keep it up with the judgemental comments and impress us all with your humanity and ignorance.

And while you're busy sermonizing, I hope you are prepared for the return of the bad old days, when women sought out backyard abortionists and died in the hundreds. Oh but that's right, they are just the vessel right and deserve all they get right? Gee, you're not sounding so concerned about the sanctity of all life to me.

Quint

ForestBrain wrote:

But if I ever got pregnant, I would not get an abortion.

You don't know that for certain, untill you find yourself in that situation; My (ex)girlfriend got pregnant, despite using birth-control-pills and condoms (a very small chance, but hey.. guess what... we hit the jackpot). Up untill that moment we used to say that in case of an "accident" we would do the "responsible" thing and have the baby. Believe me, things become very different when you're actually in that situation. Either way it's a very difficult decision to make.

(Which doesn't mean you can't try to think about it before it happens. I'm just saying the hypothetical decision is so much more easier than the actual decision)

Ahnimus

"We like to forget that in fact everything in our life is chance, from our genesis out of the encounter of spermatozoon and egg onward." - Sigmund Freud

catefrances

tooferz wrote:

i cannot say more than hippiemom or any of the others have said. so i'll say this....mothers n fathers kill their born and living children everyday in much uglier fashions.

and i'll leave you with this.....

when my son turned 13....i figured out why some animals eat their young.

it took you til he was 13? my boy is almost 10 and i discovered it years ago.

catefrances

ForestBrain wrote:

The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

thank you for informing me of just how stupid i am being the mother of 4 children. :rolleyes:

mammasan

All I'm going to say on this issue is that the federal government and the supreme court have no right to determine the legality of abortion.

ForestBrain

soulsinging wrote:

so i assume you're a virgin? or if not, that you've only had sex with one woman and that is your wife and it was after you were married before god?

I am a woman. And I am a virgin. I won't do it until I'm married. I'm 22.

ForestBrain

catefrances wrote:

thank you for informing me of just how stupid i am being the mother of 4 children. :rolleyes:

Stupid was for the ones who have abortions. I have utmost respect for women that take responsibility for their actions. The Bible says God hates those that shed innocent blood. And I can't think of blood any more innocent than an unborn child's. (that was in reference to those who say I'm being judgmental). I would be judgmental if I said a person was for sure going to hell, but if I see somebody actually sinning, and tell them they are, that is in no way judging them. As the Bible says, ye shall know them by their fruit.
Yeah, it does take two people. The guy who got the woman pregnant should help take care of the kid. But, we live in a crappy world, and that doesn't always happen. Which is why it's a lot smarter to wait until you're married. But, of course, people have no self control, and don't think it's at all wrong to sleep around.