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ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_abortion

I continued to read more, and the stinking methods of abortion are barbaric! It's despicable! Oh this makes me too mad....
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    You stink !!!
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Something wrong with that term "partial birth" it's not like the baby is coming out on it's own and when it starts to scream they quickly slash it's head off and pull the body out with tongs. The term doesn't seem to really describe the process. As far as I'm concerned the procedure is just as humane as any other procedure.
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  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    Man, that's so cold, cold-hearted. "They just crush their skulls. Nothing wrong with that!"
    What is wrong with you that you think that's okay?!
    The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Man, that's so cold, cold-hearted. "They just crush their skulls. Nothing wrong with that!"
    What is wrong with you that you think that's okay?!
    The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

    How is it any worse than dismemberment? Where they slowly pick pieces of the baby apart, starting with legs, then arms, and just slowly cutting back the torso? Why wasn't that method banned? Oh it doesn't have a disturbing name? I don't get it.

    But I think your last statement is pretty myopic and ignorant. Not every woman makes the choice to get pregnant.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hodgehodge Posts: 519
    ForestBrain wrote:
    The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

    People make mistakes.

    Also, what if they were raped? don't be so ignorant.
    ..and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    it's a very tiny fraction of abortions that are performed. leave what other women do between the woman and her doctor

    if you don't like it then here's some advice "don't have a partial-birth abortion"
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Man, that's so cold, cold-hearted. "They just crush their skulls. Nothing wrong with that!"
    What is wrong with you that you think that's okay?!
    The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.
    You are aware, aren't you, that this method is rarely used, typically only in cases where the life or health of the mother is at stake?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    hippiemom wrote:
    You are aware, aren't you, that this method is rarely used, typically only in cases where the life or health of the mother is at stake?


    hippiemom is right. this procedure is usually only used in case where the fetus has hydranencephaly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydranencephaly making the head too large because of massive swelling to remove even if it's seperated from the body. even if these babies are born intact they cannot survive.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    prism wrote:
    hippiemom is right. this procedure is usually only used in case where the fetus has hydranencephaly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydranencephaly making the head too large because of massive swelling to remove even if it's seperated from the body. even if these babies are born intact they cannot survive.

    What if it's just anencephaly? Or do you think babies can survive without a brain?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Man, that's so cold, cold-hearted. "They just crush their skulls. Nothing wrong with that!"
    What is wrong with you that you think that's okay?!
    The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

    Did you just say stupid women made their choice? Who the fuck are you? Last time I checked women didn't get pregnant on their own and surprise, surprise WE actually enjoy sex too :eek:

    As already stated that procedure is rarely used. I am not sure I could have an abortion myself but I certainly believe the choice should be available up until a certain time in the pregnancy.

    If it it makes you so angry I encourage you to hand out condoms and do some safe sex promotion. I also encourage you to maybe learn a little more respect for women. Misogyny is so last century :rolleyes:
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What if it's just anencephaly? Or do you think babies can survive without a brain?

    sometimes they have enough of a brainstem to be able to regulate breathing and have a heartbeat. but even then they're nothing more than a vegetable remaining unconscious without the ability to see or hear or feel anything. I know that in cases where the parents don't allow the baby to die letting nature take it's course, some of these babies have been kept alive artificially for quite awhile, though I can't understand a reasoning for doing that.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    ForestBrain wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_abortion

    I continued to read more, and the stinking methods of abortion are barbaric! It's despicable! Oh this makes me too mad....

    congratulations.
  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    As someone who has experienced pregnancy complications that were potentially life-threatening, I find this frightening and sad.
  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    Ahnimus wrote:
    How is it any worse than dismemberment? Where they slowly pick pieces of the baby apart, starting with legs, then arms, and just slowly cutting back the torso? Why wasn't that method banned? Oh it doesn't have a disturbing name? I don't get it.

    But I think your last statement is pretty myopic and ignorant. Not every woman makes the choice to get pregnant.
    That why I continued in my first post. I knew that was done. But at least ONE method has been made illegal.
    I do not want kids, in the worst way. But if I ever got pregnant, I would not get an abortion. If you can't control yourself, you can't make the baby pay for your mistakes. If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's. That little baby cannot protect himself. I am a woman, I don't want kids, I respect some...not all..(I have no respect for women that get abortions), but I darn well would never kill my own kid. I can't even believe that's legal.
    What a cold-hearted, selfish world.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    ForestBrain wrote:
    If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's.
    That's your decision to make, but you've got one hell of a lot of nerve thinking you can make that decision for anyone else.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    ForestBrain wrote:
    If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's. That little baby cannot protect himself.

    While that's VERY noble of you, it's a very uneducated statement that really doesn't make sense. Do you really think that when a woman's life is threatened by complications of the pregnancy that the baby's life is not also threatened???
  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    hippiemom wrote:
    That's your decision to make, but you've got one hell of a lot of nerve thinking you can make that decision for anyone else.
    ohhhh, I see. It's perfectly okay for a woman to decide to murder her baby. I'm SO sorry.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    ForestBrain wrote:
    That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.



    hahaha....as if "God" would give a rat's ass about you or your baby.
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  • ForestBrainForestBrain Posts: 460
    You either don't believe in God, or you hate him. That's your choice.
    But if there is a God, believe me, people are going to pay for killing their babies.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    ForestBrain wrote:
    That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.

    Oh so "God" gets to decided that and you just do his judging for him? :rolleyes: how very noble.

    Also some people don't consider it murder, you do and that is your belief so good for you but that isn't everyone's. For too long woman were treated like second class citizens.

    I agree with Prism...
  • Brain of J.LoBrain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    ForestBrain wrote:
    But if there is a God, believe me, people are going to pay for killing their babies.

    and people are also going to pay for judging others. remember, all sins are equal in the eyes of God. IF there is one, as you say. ;)
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    If I was pregnant with a baby that had anencephaly (no brain) and the baby was going to die shortly after birth anyway, I don't see the point of going through 9 months of pregnancy. But hey FarestBrain I see where you are coming from.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    ForestBrain wrote:
    That why I continued in my first post. I knew that was done. But at least ONE method has been made illegal.
    I do not want kids, in the worst way. But if I ever got pregnant, I would not get an abortion. If you can't control yourself, you can't make the baby pay for your mistakes. If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's. That little baby cannot protect himself. I am a woman, I don't want kids, I respect some...not all..(I have no respect for women that get abortions), but I darn well would never kill my own kid. I can't even believe that's legal.
    What a cold-hearted, selfish world.

    so i assume you're a virgin? or if not, that you've only had sex with one woman and that is your wife and it was after you were married before god?
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    ForestBrain wrote:
    ohhhh, I see. It's perfectly okay for a woman to decide to murder her baby. I'm SO sorry.
    And you think it's perfectly ok for YOU to decide which one of them lives and which one of them dies? Who the fuck are you?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    And you think it's perfectly ok for YOU to decide which one of them lives and which one of them dies? Who the fuck are you?

    lol, love this debate, round and round we go, where it stops nobody knows.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ForestBrain wrote:
    That's where I differ. I'de leave it in the hands of God.

    so when you say you'd leave it in the hands of God, does that mean you'd not seek medical intervention of any kind?
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    I bet you wouldnt mind this procedure if Iraqis were using it.
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  • taratara Posts: 293
    ForestBrain wrote:
    The stupid women made their choice when they got pregnant.

    that's right, the woman got pregnant ALL BY HERSELF. or maybe she was asking for it, is that it? perhaps if they actually taught sex ed, and not just abstinence in ALL the states then this wouldn't be such an issue.

    i love it when a group of politicians, who basically don't know anything about anything get together and make decisions about something as involved and complex as medicine or science (as with conservation and climate change) and the rest of us get to suffer because of their misinformation and miscomprehension, this makes me so fucking angry.

    i'd also like to say, since we're on the subject, that canada is only MARGINALLY better than the states when it comes to abortion. it's legal here, but THEY DON'T TEACH IT IN MEDICAL SCHOOL!!! that's right, if you want to learn how to give an abortion, you have to actively set up a clerkship at a clinic that does them. what the fuck is wrong with this world?

    to those that are against abortion, i ask you this: when in this situation, a woman can get desparate, and will try to self-abort, this includes throwing herself against the ground, sticking sewing needles, wire hangers, or sticks into her vagina, or go to a back-alley 'surgeon', this will not only lead to aborting the fetus, but can also cause severe infection, and hemoraging, all of which can lead to death. IS THIS THE SOLUTION THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE?
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  • tooferztooferz Posts: 135
    ForestBrain wrote:
    That why I continued in my first post. I knew that was done. But at least ONE method has been made illegal.
    I do not want kids, in the worst way. But if I ever got pregnant, I would not get an abortion. If you can't control yourself, you can't make the baby pay for your mistakes. If I were to get pregnant, and it would risk my life, I'de give mine for the baby's. That little baby cannot protect himself. I am a woman, I don't want kids, I respect some...not all..(I have no respect for women that get abortions), but I darn well would never kill my own kid. I can't even believe that's legal.
    What a cold-hearted, selfish world.

    i cannot say more than hippiemom or any of the others have said. so i'll say this....mothers n fathers kill their born and living children everyday in much uglier fashions.

    and i'll leave you with this.....

    when my son turned 13....i figured out why some animals eat their young. :D
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