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  • Nakedeye66
    Nakedeye66 Posts: 94
    London Calling wrote:
    I dont dive two shits for Shirazs situation, when you steal land, expect a fight. And if you're not expecting one, than you deserve to die according to natural selection.

    From the looks of it, natural selection might not be too kind to you.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    London Calling wrote:
    I dont dive two shits for Shirazs situation, when you steal land, expect a fight. And if you're not expecting one, than you deserve to die according to natural selection.

    Nice ignorant comment re: the bloke's situation.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Anyone gonna have the nuts to blame Isreal, like we all KNOW you love to do ,to an isreali's face? Wheres your condemnation of Isreal's "zionist blah blah blah" when you get a first hand account??? Lets see how many isreal/usa haters pop in here. Pussies!


    Anyway, to shiraz, be safe. Be smart. Be careful. Thoughts are with you and yours. Peace.

    Yea actually I still think Israel is to blame for confiscating Palestinian land amongst other things they have done. I recently spoke with a Canadian citizen from Lebanon. His wife went home to Lebanon for a visit just before this incident and is still there now. She probably feels a lot like the OP. The guy said "Israel, Iran, Hezbollah, Bush and Osama have the same face" "Criminals!" he said.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea actually I still think Israel is to blame for confiscating Palestinian land amongst other things they have done. I recently spoke with a Canadian citizen from Lebanon. His wife went home to Lebanon for a visit just before this incident and is still there now. She probably feels a lot like the OP. The guy said "Israel, Iran, Hezbollah, Bush and Osama have the same face" "Criminals!" he said.

    Maybe if the palestinians stopped blowing themselves up on buses or firing rockets into israel they would have peace instead of the wrath of israel; which is something i would never want to experience.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    Maybe if the palestinians stopped blowing themselves up on buses or firing rockets into israel they would have peace instead of the wrath of israel; which is something i would never want to experience.

    Well it's no different than the wrath of the united states, neither of which descriminate between military and civilians.

    I'm really glad I returned to this forum to read your shallow comments Miller :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well it's no different than the wrath of the united states, neither of which descriminate between military and civilians.

    I'm really glad I returned to this forum to read your shallow comments Miller :)

    We dont deliberately target civilians its unwanted damage. The sad thing is no one wants the palestinians..their just a scape goat for the arab world to attack the jews.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    We dont deliberately target civilians its unwanted damage. The sad thing is no one wants the palestinians..their just a scape goat for the arab world to attack the jews.

    Hold on, what do you mean "no one wants the palestinians"?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hold on, what do you mean "no one wants the palestinians"?

    No arab countries are opening their gates to them.

    "hey stop fighting and come with us"

    their a scape goat for religious extremists to wage war against israel
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    No arab countries are opening their gates to them.

    "hey stop fighting and come with us"

    their a scape goat for religious extremists to wage war against israel

    Fact: in 1967 palestinians fled to neighbouring arab countries, including Egypt, Jodan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and Syria.

    The palestinians are welcome, however what would be the purpose? To allow Israel to seize total control over that region. You have to understand that land is holy to these people, to both Muslims and Jews. That is why Jurusalem is such a hot spot. However you shouldn't call for the destruction of Palestine when it has been occupied by Arabs for almost 2000 years and Israel has only existed for less than 75 years. If we go back to the begining Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully. After the Balfour declaration of the British empire parts of Palestine were taken and given to the Jews. They called it Israel, which is taking their land and giving it to someone else. It's a lot different than saying "hey can the Jews live there with you?" it's actually stealing.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    blackredyellow wrote:
    your're an ass... just because his country's government has fucked things up just as much as the other side has, you expect people to blame or taunt innocent civilians for this nonsense? People condemn (and a lot of times rightfully so) our own government to other americans here on this board.

    Anyway shiraz, be safe... take care of yourself and your family.

    I know I'm comin into this thing late, but here goes...People condemn our own government all the time, and that's fine, because as a citizen that is your right, and presumably you are well informed enough about your own country to have a worth-while opinion (though many times this is not true). With Israel though, people who know nothing about the history of the region or the conflict, or who care deeply about the plight of humanity but really don't spend time thinking through political reality, critisize constantly and in an unfair way. While I'm not going to pick a fight with anyone, I will say that I am constantly infuriated by people poping up on threads calling Israel a nazi state, or a blatent human rights abuser, or saying that everything is Israel's fault, or even that Israel is led by fanatics. From where I'm sitting, which at the moment is in Jerusalem, and from what I know, which is quite a lot, this is a load of garbage. I'm not opposed to thoughtful criticism, only to criticism that exhibits no thought at all.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    Be safe, it probably suck to be in this part of the world right now... Isreal might be victims of terrorism, but Israel govt. are also criminals, bah...

    What law has the Israeli govt. broken to make them criminals? Please quote.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    danmac wrote:
    Welcome, stay safe, but please, do not try and confuse where you live, the news you hear, with the reality of what is happening.

    I quote, in riposte to your statement that what is happening in Lebanon is not related to the Corporal Shilit fiasco.

    "By mid-afternoon the Hezbollah guerrillas have captured the Israeli soldiers and, in a statement faxed to CNN in Beirut, the Hezbollah has said that this is dedicated Muhammad Abdullah (ph) the 12-year-old boy -- Palestinian boy who was killed in Gaza last week and whose pictures, as he dies in his father's arms, were released all over the Arab world -- all the world, but it did ignite a lot of anger throughout the Arab world."


    A Hezbollah statement says it is in response. End of.

    Keep your head down, stay safe, and don't think every Palestinian is a militant terrorist animal. They are human, believe it or not, like you, like me, like us all.

    I'm confused...if canada doesn't like what the US is doing in Iraq and starts kidnapping Americans and lobbing missiles over the border it's a legimimate response because canada says so? I just don't get it.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    London Calling wrote:
    no, by my logic, Iraqis have every right to kill any British soldiers stationed in Iraq (or any other invading army), but if they decided to start attacking main land Britain, i wouldnt like it but i can see why they would want to. And in doing so if they killed a member of my family, i wouldnt be pissed with them, i would be pissed off with my government for starting this.

    That's fucked up. It's one thing to fight an occupier. It is quite another to murder civilians in their homes. It's the basic difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist. If the Palestinians had restricted themselves to attacks on soldiers in the territories they would be freedom fighters. They're terrorists because they go after kids on buses and women in cafes.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    NMyTree wrote:
    That was uncalled for and inappropriate.

    Regardless of what you think, we (those of us not close enough to the situation) are for the main part ignorant of all the facts of the situation.

    Quoting some news story headline or article from CNN, hardly qualifies as making you or me educated on the matter. We only know bits and pieces of what has occured.
    If that's the case then Israel and all it's inhabitants are ignorant of the people their army is killing. Vice versa for Hezbollah and Hamas and any others trying to kill Israelis.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    twisztad wrote:
    What a sad sad man you are, have you ever lived under oppression. I have, My whole life, Living under the aparthied Goverment of South Africa. I know how it feels to be oppressed. I fought the goverment, I stood up for my rights, nut not once, not once did we target civilians and children to get our point across. SO Palestines, fuck them they get no sympathy from me.

    Thank you.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    danmac wrote:
    Not completely, but they, coupled with (what the Pretoria Government at the time stated as) militant, terrorist activities by the ANC and Inkatha certainly did.

    Impose the same UN resolutions and economic sanctions upon Israel, then peace is what we will have.

    And please, wil you f*** off with your South African crusade. How dare somebody like you, who claims to have struggled through the atrocities committed against your people, can deny the Palestinians the right to do the same, beggars belief.

    FACT - Nelson Mandela was tried and convicted for manslaughter, and should have been murder. He signed orders killing Afrikaner civillians. He may even have committed those atrocities himself before he was imprisoned.

    He is not whiter than white, but he was right. As are these poor, coloured, oppressed, beaten, starved and exploited Palestinians.

    Get off your blind fucking high horse and defend the oppressed in Palestine, those THAT ARE AS OPPRESSED IF NOT MORE SO THAN YOU AND YOUR COUNTRYMEN!!!

    This is sick! Where are you writing from? Who are you? Are you really going to lecture this guy about oppression? Look, he's right. The Palestinians didn't have to resort to terrorism. The first Intifada was a popular uprising that resulted in the Oslo process because it showed Israel that they could not continue to occupy the Palestinian territories. Oslo led to the most comprehensive offer the Palestinians could hope to have gotten. All of Gaza, almost 100% of the West Bank, half of Jerusalem, joint control of the Temple Mount. If that isn't Israel negotiating I don't know what is. Did they take the offer? NO. Did they even come back with a counter-offer? NO. They walked away from the table and started bombing Israeli civilians. So why in God's name are people still supporting them so whole-heartedly, when at the very moment when they could have peacefully realized their goal of national independence they instead turned to terrorism and murder? I just don't get it.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    twisztad wrote:
    Fuck you. I will not support anyone that goes out and purposefully kills children. If that is what you want to do then fine, And fuck you, you dont know me, you dont know what I had to go thru. FUCK YOU. While you were playing with you dick as a little kid, I had to fucking dodge police, dogs, bullets, angry boers, trucks, I was beaten, insulted, belittled, ridiculed, embarresed, had to watch as my mother was beaten and there was nothing that I could do, SO FUCK YOU. Go back to your sliver spoon and stick it up your arse.

    Well said.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Fact: in 1967 palestinians fled to neighbouring arab countries, including Egypt, Jodan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and Syria.

    ...in 1967....however, the arab league of nations made it illegal for any arab nation to grant citizenship to palestinian immigrants. Jordan, the only arab country to historically grant citizenship to palestinian immigrants, began granting only tourist visas to the palestinians starting in 1988. So, no, they aren't exactly "welcome".
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  • Infinity_Now
    Infinity_Now Posts: 188
    Get it right.

    Hezbollah are attacking the innocnet, true.

    "PALESTINES" as it's been so bluntly put - have not... those "Palestinian" civilians are totally innocent, just like the Israeli citizens.

    For some reason people always get off base and start calling Palestinians terrorists...

    You'd think you could tell the difference between an armed militia and a family with a newborn that just had their house blown up and their members torn to shreds...

    Anyway - AN UPDATE:

    http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Lebanon/10056101.html

    *We may see the international community further pursue a cease-fire in the coming days.

    *A cease-fire really does seem like the reasonable thing to pursue - but look how they are going about it:

    "You're not going to get a cease-fire on both sides until you put in place the conditions that allow that to happen." - Blair

    What are the conditions?

    "Blair met US President George W. Bush on Friday and they agreed that a multinational force should be dispatched quickly to help Lebanon regain control of the southern part of its country from the Hezbollah militia."

    In other words, send more troops - to help Israel further bomb the crap out of Lebanon - in order to get rid of Hezbollah... Which is Israels current objective - which is no way to pursue a cease-fire - which just doesn't make sense.

    Hezbollah are the Lebanese resistance - they are fighting for Lebanon. Fighting against Israeli occupation. Lebanon is theirs. Bush and Blair shouldn't be going in there saying, "We're here to liberate you!" Bush and Blari are goin in there saying, "We are here to take your land and lives for the safety and security of our 'friendly' neighbor, Israel."

    The only reason Hezbollah are fighting is because Israel is aggressively occupying Lebanon - that's just my opinion - you may call Hezbollah racist or anti-zionist, but bullshit. They just want their land back. How do I know?

    ... I don't. But when you look at the fact that Hezbollah formed in 1982 to fight Israeli occupation - and that has been their target all along - well, it makes sense that the Lebanese would form some sort of resistance in order to take back what was stolen from them... by Israel. I just can't let Israel get away clean and neat in this conflict - they're acting like pirates - and we're acting like the bankers that have supported them all along.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dayan wrote:
    What law has the Israeli govt. broken to make them criminals? Please quote.

    What law has the Israeli government broken? Are you serious?
    As we speak, the Israeli government is in breach of over 60 U.N resolutions. They are currently committing war crimes in Lebanon by deliberately targeting civilians. Ehud Olmert should be tried at the Hague and put away fro life for this.

    '50 killed' as Israeli air strike hits children

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1204845.ece

    Straw breaks ranks on Middle East in revolt against Blair

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article1204523.ece

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