Morbidly Obese Mutants

farfromglorified

soulsinging wrote:

but i am not allowed to do anything about my problem.

Sure you are. Lobby the airline to make roomier airplanes or charge fat people double. Don't fly. Get up and sit in a different seat and tell the stewardess to fuck off if she challenges you. Sit in the aisle or go take a nap in the bathroom. Tell the fat guy that you have violent diarrhea and his safety sitting next to you might be "a little iffy". Make whale calls and ask him if he's mated recently. Your allowed to do all sorts of things.

is someone allowed to molest me on the street or rape me?

No. But if you bought a ticket on rape and molest airlines and then complained about it, I might think differently.

becos really... it's MY problem that i dont like it isnt it?

Yes.

it's not THEIR problem for impinging on my person.

Their problem is being morbidly obese. You taking issue with their right to be morbidly obese is your problem.

that is the very nature of battery... an unconsented touching.

So if I'm sitting next to you on the airplane and you brush by me on the way to the bathroom, can I go Patriot Act on your ass too?

i dont like strangers putting their body on mine and that is a legally protected interest. yet i have no recourse when a fat guy sits next to me. why?

Common sense, that's why.

becos we've got people out there who insist we cannot ever hurt anyone's feelings by telling them they're overweight. if this was a thin person next to me groping me, id be allowed to say something. but becos it's a fat person, i have to pretend i dont mind lest i hurt THEIR feelings. that is how it is their problem. cos it's their ego being hurt by their decisions. if you wanna be fat, fine. but dont raise a stink when i tell you to keep your rolls off my body in public.

Dude, I don't care whose feelings you hurt. I just care whose rights you violate in your attempt to "fix" something that has a lot more to do with you than it does with them.

Jammin909

farfromglorified wrote:

I might be pissed too. But that's not the "gigantic man's" fault.

I really don't care what emotional problems he had either. I am wondering now what emotional problems you have to get pissed just because a "gigantic man" happens to be in your space for a couple of hours.

The fat man bought a ticket for one seat and should only take up one seat. I don't think that is being unreasonable or reflects anything about me except that I don't want to share the specific space I paid for.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

then what is jammin's problem? the fact that he doesn't like being touched by strangers? can i fondle your breats? cos if you dont like it, it's not cos IM the problem... it's cos you have a problem with what im doing to you right?

You've grasped at every sexual assault/molestation and killer issue as support, whether directly or by support and association. The point is, your irrelevent analogies remain irrelevent. Including in terms of any attempt to continually try throwing obesity into a deviant-behaviour light.

When people talk and act inconsiderate, and then accuse others of being inconsiderate, I have a hard time not alluding to Ahnimus' point about pointing the finger.

farfromglorified

Jammin909 wrote:

The fat man bought a ticket for one seat and should only take up one seat.

I highly doubt that's the rule of the airline in your hypothetical example, so no.

I don't think that is being unreasonable or reflects anything about me except that I don't want to share the specific space I paid for.

You didn't pay for specific space. You paid for a seat on an airline.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

You're an adult. It's up to you to make things happen for yourself. If all of your cultural systems are telling you your behaviour is inappropriate in your demands, maybe someday you'll figure it out. After all, you are for socially muscling obesity out of existence. Fair is fair. Why can't society muscle people's own emotional issues into their own backyard where they belong?

they can. and this will play out. but this thread began with the assertion that society doesn't accept or understand obese people. so the majority is on my side and the majority wants obese people to either change, or accept the consequences of their lifestyle. but a minority of emotional activists blowing smoke about their self-esteem have made it impossible to do so. im not into muscling them out of existence. im into making them be accountable for their lifestyle just like everyone else is, rather than getting special accomadation.

soulsinging

farfromglorified wrote:

So if I'm sitting next to you on the airplane and you brush by me on the way to the bathroom, can I go Patriot Act on your ass too?

yes. that is american common law.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

You've grasped at every sexual assault/molestation and killer issue as support, whether directly or by support and association. The point is, your irrelevent analogies remain irrelevent. Including in terms of any attempt to continually try throwing obesity into a deviant-behaviour light.

When people talk and act inconsiderate, and then accuse others of being inconsiderate, I have a hard time not alluding to Ahnimus' point about pointing the finger.

it is not irrelevant. you are claiming that the problem is that i dont like to be touched. none of us do. i notice you dont seem keen on my groping you. so why should fat people get a special exemption from this just becos they're fat?

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

they can. and this will play out. but this thread began with the assertion that society doesn't accept or understand obese people. so the majority is on my side and the majority wants obese people to either change, or accept the consequences of their lifestyle. but a minority of emotional activists blowing smoke about their self-esteem have made it impossible to do so. im not into muscling them out of existence. im into making them be accountable for their lifestyle just like everyone else is, rather than getting special accomadation.

I guess I'd be frustrated, too, if the minority with awareness had the power to influence the majority as they currently do.

I am personally quite fine with it, in terms of that it is about expecting those acting ignorantly to own their ignorance and face it.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

I guess I'd be frustrated, too, if the minority with awareness had the power to influence the majority as they currently do.

I am personally quite fine with it, in terms of that it is about expecting those acting ignorantly to own their ignorance and face it.

so im ignorant eh? now who's throwing around the judgment calls?

im perfectly ok with owning my ignorance as long as everyone is held to the same standard and obese people have to own their body size.

and while we're talking about minorities... 2/3 of americans are overweight. so that means i AM the minority. why should i have to adjust for their selfish desires if we're going to preach about accepting the minority?

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

it is not irrelevant. you are claiming that the problem is that i dont like to be touched. none of us do. i notice you dont seem keen on my groping you. so why should fat people get a special exemption from this just becos they're fat?

Irrelevent remains irrelevent. I don't doubt you are upset. It also looks like you are not willing to own and face your own feelings and the personal nature of them. I don't doubt you have not found workable recourse. As farfromglorified pointed out, you can look for your recourse when you want to. When you seek a particular solution. I will add that I don't think this is about your recourse or about solving your "problem", but rather it seems it's about your perceived victimhood. (or it could be that you are at least milking the victim-stance for your argument) If you are for real here, victim-stances are not an excuse for bias, stigma, ignorance and abuse of power. That's the imbalance inherent in this type of false-victimhood.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

so im ignorant eh? now who's throwing around the judgment calls?

im perfectly ok with owning my ignorance as long as everyone is held to the same standard and obese people have to own their body size.

and while we're talking about minorities... 2/3 of americans are overweight. so that means i AM the minority. why should i have to adjust for their selfish desires if we're going to preach about accepting the minority?

Based on understanding the dynamics of compulsive eating issues, and your seeming complete lack of understanding, yes, my opinion is that you are ignorant in this regard.

If obese people have to own their body size, don't you also have to own your "buying the airline ticket under the conditions entailed"? Aren't you contracting for your own "problem" as farfromglorified essentially has pointed to?

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

Irrelevent remains irrelevent. I don't doubt you are upset. It also looks like you are not willing to own and face your own feelings and the personal nature of them. I don't doubt you have not found workable recourse. As farfromglorified pointed out, you can look for your recourse when you want to. When you seek a particular solution. I will add that I don't think this is about your recourse or about solving your "problem", but rather it seems it's about your perceived victimhood. (or it could be that you are at least milking the victim-stance for your argument) If you are for real here, victim-stances are not an excuse for bias, stigma, ignorance and abuse of power. That's the imbalance inherent in this type of false-victimhood.

im mostly milking it. i honestly dont really give a shit about any of this. i just find it slightly annoying and completely hypocritical and ridiculous that obese people get a free pass for all their behaviors becos we want to spare their feelings. if you're mean to someone becos you're obese, you're an asshole. if you pass judgment or lecture them, you're an asshole. if you're overweight and squeeze into one seat thus putting your neighbor in a very uncomfortable position, you're an asshole. it applies universally. accept who you are, who others are, and be considerate to others. that applies universally.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

and while we're talking about minorities... 2/3 of americans are overweight. so that means i AM the minority. why should i have to adjust for their selfish desires if we're going to preach about accepting the minority?

In my post I alluded to the minority who had the information and understanding of the situation. So therefore pointing out you are a minority puts you into a different category--you are not of the minority I mean: who understand this issue. By their understanding, they therefore have rightness, and natural authority on their side. They are aligned with evolution, hence their power.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

Based on understanding the dynamics of compulsive eating issues, and your seeming complete lack of understanding, yes, my opinion is that you are ignorant in this regard.

If obese people have to own their body size, don't you also have to own your "buying the airline ticket under the conditions entailed"? Aren't you contracting for your own "problem" as farfromglorified essentially has pointed to?

i am. but im also entitled to be annoyed that they weren't very considerate in their purchase.

im well aware of the dynamics of compulsive behavior, and compulsive eating in particular. so dont play that game with me. but i also am aware that there are ways to combat it and a significant number of people have no interest in even trying. they get no sympathy from me. if you want help, ill support you 100%. if you dont, then dont ask for special accomadation from me.

miller8966

soulsinging wrote:

im mostly milking it. i honestly dont really give a shit about any of this. i just find it slightly annoying and completely hypocritical and ridiculous that obese people get a free pass for all their behaviors becos we want to spare their feelings. if you're mean to someone becos you're obese, you're an asshole. if you pass judgment or lecture them, you're an asshole. if you're overweight and squeeze into one seat thus putting your neighbor in a very uncomfortable position, you're an asshole. it applies universally. accept who you are, who others are, and be considerate to others. that applies universally.

Im pretty sick of fat people getting free passes.

"Its not my fault its my kidneys". Oh yea, that big mac and fries has nothing to do with it?

Go on a treadmill and put the fork down.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

In my post I alluded to the minority who had the information and understanding of the situation. So therefore pointing out you are a minority puts you into a different category--you are not of the minority I mean: who understand this issue. By their understanding, they therefore have rightness, and natural authority on their side. They are aligned with evolution, hence their power.

oh i see, you're a higher authority than me. of course, i should have known it was foolish for me to contradict your superior evolutionary state. sadly, you're way off base becos i have a deep understanding of the issues at play here. but im also aware that there are more than one. there is biology, there is compulsivity, there is just plain apathy. just becos i look at the spectrum of issues and come to a conclusion that is different from your "higher evolutionary authority" does not make me wrong or ignorant, nor does it make you right or more enlightened. get over yourself and off your high horse.

3inputchick

You 2 can go back and fourth all day about this.....
fact is... Ed hates fat people... and if he hates them they have to be bad!!!

Now which version of Leash is better???

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

oh i see, you're a higher authority than me. of course, i should have known it was foolish for me to contradict your superior evolutionary state. sadly, you're way off base becos i have a deep understanding of the issues at play here. but im also aware that there are more than one. there is biology, there is compulsivity, there is just plain apathy. just becos i look at the spectrum of issues and come to a conclusion that is different from your "higher evolutionary authority" does not make me wrong or ignorant, nor does it make you right or more enlightened. get over yourself and off your high horse.

I don't see the airlines adopting your guidelines, nor do I see other cultural norms filtering down from you. Actually it's the opposite. While there are many people who openly espouse the views you've put forth here, we are moving away from them. It seems to irritate you. I really have very little say in the matter personally. It is what it is. My understanding is that natural forces will expect individuals to adapt. If we don't consciously, we'll be put through situations that will cause us to adapt. Or we can be prematurely taken out of the game of life, for a time out, maybe, or in other cases, permanently. This happens in numerous evolutionary ways. It's our choice really, so they say.

farfromglorified

soulsinging wrote:

im mostly milking it. i honestly dont really give a shit about any of this. i just find it slightly annoying and completely hypocritical and ridiculous that obese people get a free pass for all their behaviors becos we want to spare their feelings. if you're mean to someone becos you're obese, you're an asshole. if you pass judgment or lecture them, you're an asshole. if you're overweight and squeeze into one seat thus putting your neighbor in a very uncomfortable position, you're an asshole. it applies universally. accept who you are, who others are, and be considerate to others. that applies universally.

First...so what if someone thinks you're an asshole for judging a fat guy? That someone is doing the same thing you're doing...making a judgment. There's nothing wrong with making judgments.

Second...I understand your annoyance at fat people getting a "free pass". But your examples having nothing to do with free passes. They're simply operating on the same rules you are.

Third...I can't really accept your "considerate" statements. While true, I think you're violating them more than the average fat person.


Fat people are completely accountable for their actions -- that's why they're fat. Nature isn't going to give a free pass to somebody who doesn't excercise or eats too much or whose body is simply unable to correctly metabolize. Let nature run its course and, if you want, help those who want your help. Live and let live man. It's not that hard.

know1

I don't trust fat people....never have...

...of course I don't trust a lot of people