Well, the process of societal evolution required to initiate those values is a long one indeed. It won't change overnight simply by telling people they are wrong. We have to make sure that everyone gets the same information from the same ecological system. I think by consistently lying to our children about pretty much everything, we are setting the stage for rebellion, and ultimately, it doesn't matter what we teach them when we lie about it.
you're right it will take time, the only way for it to change overnight is to become machiavellan in our actions. It will take time. Our genome hasn't changed in the last hundred years, but our lifestyles have. Weight control, for the most part, is a lifestyle issue...and that is the hardest thing to change b/c you can't just take a pill to get better. It may take pill popping and behavior modification. And in order to convince someone to change behavior we have to point out flaws in people, something our society has seemed to say is a terrible thing. That's why I said we need to educate people. It's the old addage about giving a guy a fish or teaching a guy to fish.
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you're right it will take time, the only way for it to change overnight is to become machiavellan in our actions. It will take time. Our genome hasn't changed in the last hundred years, but our lifestyles have. Weight control, for the most part, is a lifestyle issue...and that is the hardest thing to change b/c you can't just take a pill to get better. It may take pill popping and behavior modification. And in order to convince someone to change behavior we have to point out flaws in people, something our society has seemed to say is a terrible thing. That's why I said we need to educate people. It's the old addage about giving a guy a fish or teaching a guy to fish.
I agree, but let me reiterate what I said in my first post:
We all have our preconceptions about obese people and more particularily morbidly obese people. For a typical obese or overweight person with significant adiposity we can attribute it to lack of will power and sociocultural environment. Lack of exercise combined with poor diet.
However, what of the morbidly obese? Is it possible biology/genetics are responsible. In fact, it is.
Leptin is a hormone produced by adipose tissue (stored fat) that regulates the intake of food and the use of energy. Some people have Leptin resistances or Leptin defficiency which leads to increased food intake and decreased use of stored energy.
Hopefully this makes sense now. Yes, lifestyle is an element of most obesity. But channel surfing is also an element of stupidity. When you meet a stupid person, do you consider that maybe they have a neural degenerative disease? Perhaps that 700 pound woman standing infront of you has an insensitivity to PPAR-Delta? Maybe dude sucks at sports because he has MS or Spina Bifida. Just maybe, but not always, of course.
So, the original thread topic was not that all obese people are lazy slobs or that all obese people have genetic abnormalities. But some do.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The point is, you don't hear too many people complaining about anorexic or bulemic people. Probably because those models are "hot".
or it might be becos they've never sat down next to me on a plane and forced me to be completely cramped for a 4 hour flight.
i think models are freaky. they look like aliens. it's gross. but if that's their choice, good for them. if obese people want to be obese, fair play to them. but dont sit next to me on a plane and force me to sit in the aisle becos your flesh cant fit in your own seat.
or it might be becos they've never sat down next to me on a plane and forced me to be completely cramped for a 4 hour flight.
i think models are freaky. they look like aliens. it's gross. but if that's their choice, good for them. if obese people want to be obese, fair play to them. but dont sit next to me on a plane and force me to sit in the aisle becos your flesh cant fit in your own seat.
I guess on that same note, if your face makes me puke, I shouldn't have to look at you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I guess on that same note, if your face makes me puke, I shouldn't have to look at you.
To be fair, you're free to look in any direction. If you're on a plane, or at a baseball game or a concert or whatever, and you're seated next to a 400-pounder, there's really no escape.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
To be fair, you're free to look in any direction. If you're on a plane, or at a baseball game or a concert or whatever, and you're seated next to a 400-pounder, there's really no escape.
Give me a break, most of my family is big, it's deffinately in my genes. I'm not a big person and I have no problem getting by with big relatives. We get a long just fine. This idea that it drastically inhibits the quality of everyone else's lives is complete nonsense. My uncle Bill was 700 lbs and it didn't affect me at all, but it killed him.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Give me a break, most of my family is big, it's deffinately in my genes. I'm not a big person and I have no problem getting by with big relatives. We get a long just fine. This idea that it drastically inhibits the quality of everyone else's lives is complete nonsense. My uncle Bill was 700 lbs and it didn't affect me at all, but it killed him.
How many times did you fly with him?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Is that your only beef with fat people? Is that it inconveniences you?
I'm inconvenienced by everyone that owns a vehicle. I mean come on. When I'm on a plane waiting to use the washroom because some vain bitch is in their smearing whale bile on her face, I have to put up with it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Is that your only beef with fat people? Is that it inconveniences you?
I'm inconvenienced by everyone that owns a vehicle. I mean come on. When I'm on a plane waiting to use the washroom because some vain bitch is in their smearing whale bile on her face, I have to put up with it.
I want to buy one of those ultra-lite kits. i want a two-seater so i can parachute off it, too.
I want to buy one of those ultra-lite kits. i want a two-seater so i can parachute off it, too.
Hell yeah!!!!
I'm a bit confused, but on that note: Parachuting is dangerous, I saw this video where two parachuters collided together and it severed the guys leg, pretty nasty.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Is that your only beef with fat people? Is that it inconveniences you?
I'm inconvenienced by everyone that owns a vehicle. I mean come on. When I'm on a plane waiting to use the washroom because some vain bitch is in their smearing whale bile on her face, I have to put up with it.
chiefly, yes. i dont care what they choose to do with their lifestyle, as long as it doesnt bother me.
chiefly, yes. i dont care what they choose to do with their lifestyle, as long as it doesnt bother me.
How is it determined what bothers you?
Many people, such as myself, are not bothered by obesity. It is possible to choose what bothers you and what doesn't. Perhaps it doesn't bother you at all that people are obese, rather that they are inconsiderate of others. My theory is that obese people are inclined to be inconsiderate due to the lack of consideration for them.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so basically, people are obese mostly because of lifestyle and/or mental issues....except for the few due to genetics or medical problems but that's minimal. but regardless of how they became obese, they are: lazy, sloppy, smelly, inconsiderate and shouldn't fly, go to games, concerts and the like.
rock on...intolerance and stereotyping have no place in society....and neither do obese people.
"Who let all of this riff-raff into the room? There's one smoking a joint, and another with spots! If I had my way, I'd have all of you shot!"
My comments in this thread are not made out of discrimination, or looking down on them, or an attempt to be arrogant in judgement.
My comments were made out of concern for the health of my two close friends and from knowing several obese people through out my life.
Yes, there are psychological or physiological disorders, compulsions and conditions that should be analyzed ad researched for better understanding.
But sometimes people just need some tough-love and a good kick in the ass. Sometimes (and this doesn't just apply to obesity, but other addictions and bad behavior), the more you sympathize and coddle someone, the more excuses they have to continue their behavior and just toss it up to their situation being out of their own hands. Which is bullshit.
No one has to eat three Big Macs, 9 chicken nuggets, two large fries, two apple pies and a freakin' Diet Coke.
Hell, if you have the presence of mind ( and foolishness) to believe a Diet Coke, amongst a ton of fatty, greasey food is the deal-breaker in your calorie intake; then you should have enough sense to stop shoveling so much crap into your body.
Education, research, understanding and kindness is all good and productive measures; but some people need a kick in the ass and need to take responsibility for their own actions, their own health and their own lives.
This country has been turning into a pool of overly-sensitive, overly-sympathetic, over-the-top-excuse-makers for just about every bad behavior and nasty element in our society.
Everyone needs to be understood and we should feel sorry for them; pedophiles, mass murderers/serial killers, too. Yeah, they are all victims of some kind of disorder. Thing is, I don't feel sorry for them. I can't bring myself to feel sorry for them. Maybe there's something wrong witn me, but I'm being honest.
I feel sorry for the victims of their attacks and molestations.
This whole "There are no bad people, only bad psychological or physiological disorders" thing is a bunch of crap. There are bad, deviant, selfish, self-absorbed, narcissistic, evil people who commit hideous crimes and do dispicable, hurtful things to other human beings. You don't have to be a genius to figure out they are not in a healthy state of psychological or physiological mind, when they do these things. But most of these people know exactly what they are doing.
I'm not lumping obese people in with the above nut-cases, but only in terms of their self-control and the excuses being made.
Obese people hurt themselves. Their friends and family who love them will lose a loved one way too early in life.
Is it possible to feel sorry for both the criminal and the victim?
What do you believe influences a person decisions outside of natural and social influences?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This country has been turning into a pool of overly-sensitive, overly-sympathetic, over-the-top-excuse-makers for just about every bad behavior and nasty element in our society.
Everyone needs to be understood and we should feel sorry for them; pedophiles, mass murderers/serial killers, too. Yeah, they are all victims of some kind of disorder. Thing is, I don't feel sorry for them. I can't bring myself to feel sorry for them. Maybe there's something wrong witn me, but I'm being honest.
I feel sorry for the victims of their attacks and molestations.
This whole "There are no bad people, only bad psychological or physiological disorders" thing is a bunch of crap. There are bad, deviant, selfish, self-absorbed, narcissistic, evil people who commit hideous crimes and do dispicable, hurtful things to other human beings. You don't have to be a genius to figure out they are not in a healthy state of physiological mind, when they do these things. But most of these people know exactly what they are doing.
I'm not lumping obese people in with the above nut-cases, but only in terms of their self-control and the excuses being made.
My comments in this thread are not made out of discrimination, or looking down on them, or an attempt to be arrogant in judgement.
My comments were made out of concern for the health of my two close friends and from knowing several obese people through out my life.
Yes, there are psychological or physiological disorders, compulsions and conditions that should be analyzed ad researched for better understanding.
But sometimes people just need some tough-love and a good kick in the ass. Sometimes (and this doesn't just apply to obesity, but other addictions and bad behavior), the more you sympathize and coddle someone, the more excuses they have to continue their behavior and just toss it up to their situation being out of their own hands. Which is bullshit.
No one has to eat three Big Macs, 9 chicken nuggets, two large fries, two apple pies and a freakin' Diet Coke.
Hell, if you have the presence of mind ( and foolishness) to believe a Diet Coke, amongst a ton of fatty, greasey food is the deal-breaker in your calorie intake; then you should have enough sense to stop shoveling so much crap into your body.
Education, research, understanding and kindness is all good and productive measures; but some people need a kick in the ass and need to take responsibility for their own actions, their own health and their own lives.
This country has been turning into a pool of overly-sensitive, overly-sympathetic, over-the-top-excuse-makers for just about every bad behavior and nasty element in our society.
Everyone needs to be understood and we should feel sorry for them; pedophiles, mass murderers/serial killers, too. Yeah, they are all victims of some kind of disorder. Thing is, I don't feel sorry for them. I can't bring myself to feel sorry for them. Maybe there's something wrong witn me, but I'm being honest.
I feel sorry for the victims of their attacks and molestations.
This whole "There are no bad people, only bad psychological or physiological disorders" thing is a bunch of crap. There are bad, deviant, selfish, self-absorbed, narcissistic, evil people who commit hideous crimes and do dispicable, hurtful things to other human beings. You don't have to be a genius to figure out they are not in a healthy state of physiological mind, when they do these things. But most of these people know exactly what they are doing.
I'm not lumping obese people in with the above nut-cases, but only in terms of their self-control and the excuses being made.
Obese people hurt themselves. Their friends and family who love them will lose a loved one way too early in life.
People around obese people hurt them, too.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Cause and effect is one issue. cultural norms (morality, good/bad standards, etc) is yet another. Personal experience is yet again another aspect. Each of these variables to the issues of obesity do not detract from one another because they are separate. Value judgments and cultural norms can and do exist at the same time as understanding cause and effect.
Considering no one has suggested lack of accountability for overweight people in this thread, I wonder why anyone would take issue with seeking to understand the cause and effect aspects of a problem. Why does understanding the cause equate to "excusing" behaviour to some people?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I never really gave much attention to Chaos Theory, but that's really the cause of everything.
The human mind is a very deterministic device, who's mechanisms rely on small bits of information. The tiniest little change in the informational substrate of thought can weild drastically different results. This is why, pretty much everyone behaves and reacts differently to the same stimuli.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Psychologist Abraham Maslow described the human developmental process as a series of periodic risers beginning with basic survival issues and culminating in self-actualization. The ability to execute one's free will increases exponentially. This is because energy or libido formerly wrapped up in "stuck" patterns becomes available to the ego to use as it chooses.
Despite the fact that Jung had a profound yearning to see a kind of "unified field theory" between physics and psychology, he continued to support his own observations, rather than restrictively tie them to the limited scientific metaphors of his day. Physical science had not yet caught up with Jung's concepts.
His concept of depth psychology based on archetypes (read "attractors") escaped the Procrustean bed of a limited physical worldview. The new sciences at last provide some vindication for his stance that psyche is not different from matter."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Excuse me for copy/pasting, this is good stuff and my alias is mentiond
"Jung's descriptions of psychological phenomena are very similar to system descriptions coming from the new science of chaos...Jung described regular recurrent qualitative forms (archetypes) contained in the specifics of human interaction; he emphasized the polar interactional nature of human phenomena (anima/animus, shadow/light); and he noted the potential for patterns of events related in a way beyond the immediate cause/effect relationship (synchronicity).
"Chaos" is a mathematical/ physical science of dynamical interactions that reveals regular qualitative forms and describes relatedness beyond immediate cause/effect. One of Jung's great contributions was his insistence on the validity of such phenomena in the face of the restricted scientific metaphor of his time. Chaos and dynamical systems now provide "hard" science terms that fit and support Jung's observations."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Psychologist Abraham Maslow described the human developmental process as a series of periodic risers beginning with basic survival issues and culminating in self-actualization. The ability to execute one's free will increases exponentially. This is because energy or libido formerly wrapped up in "stuck" patterns becomes available to the ego to use as it chooses.
This is a biggie. For example with "lazy" people--they are actually people whose have large parts of their energy stuck at varying levels of development. It takes significant energy to keep big defense mechanisms in place. I used to sleep 14 hours a day when I was my most dysfunctional. I was drained in each day.
I've been in the process of freeing and releasing stuck energy for years. As we move through each stage of development our entire world-view changes. Eventually, rare people regain enough of their "potential" to be able to exist in a mindspace where unusual awareness and understanding becomes known to one. And this information is universal to others at this stage. But to those who are not here--the majority, from the outside and considering they don't have the understanding of such a level, it appears odd, or worse, indeed.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
This is a biggie. For example with "lazy" people--they are actually people whose have large parts of their energy stuck at varying levels of development. It takes significant energy to keep big defense mechanisms in place. I used to sleep 14 hours a day when I was my most dysfunctional. I was drained in each day.
I've been in the process of freeing and releasing stuck energy for years. As we move through each stage of development our entire world-view changes. Eventually, rare people regain enough of their "potential" to be able to exist in a mindspace where unusual awareness and understanding becomes known to one. And this information is universal to others at this stage. But to those who are not here--the majority, from the outside and considering they don't have the understanding of such a level, it appears odd, or worse, indeed.
Yes! I'm not sure if you're entirely serious. And I've only watch one of those movies. But I do know George Lucas based the Star Wars movies on the Jungian archetypes, basic myths and the classic "hero's journey" which is a supposed archetypal map we contain in our psyches. Hey, if you can tap the universal human psyche with your art, you might develop a winning formula that causes humans to gravitate, zombie-like in droves to your movies, time after time.
Sci-fi is great at weaving universal truths into our psyches by dressing it up as "mere" entertainment or fiction. Art will slip these concepts past us in ways that were it done intellectually, we'd reject it. I cannot tell you how many times I was sharing a profound psychological concept with my daughter and she'd say: "oh you mean like in Babylon Five, when the so and so's did so and so?" Or any other sci-fi book she'd be reading at the time.
But about using the Force, yes. Harnessing the natural forces around us consciously--moving one's awareness from being the drop of water, into acknowleging the ocean one also is, enables one to activate amazing comprehension and understanding of the variables of each situation to degrees that are invisible to the general population. One can move from closed awareness of one's small-self into manipulating the field of potential--rearranging the very stage surrounding the interacting players in any drama. This is the platform everything else springs from. Hence the term personal empowerment when one learns to operate from this world-space or view. And hence such empowerment hinging on embracing a much more connected sense of self and a oneness with the environment.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yes! I'm not sure if you're entirely serious. And I've only watch one of those movies. But I do know George Lucas based the Star Wars movies on the Jungian archetypes, basic myths and the classic "hero's journey" which is a supposed archetypal map we contain in our psyches. Hey, if you can tap the universal human psyche with your art, you might develop a winning formula that causes humans to gravitate, zombie-like in droves to your movies, time after time.
Sci-fi is great at weaving universal truths into our psyches by dressing it up as "mere" entertainment or fiction. Art will slip these concepts past us in ways that were it done intellectually, we'd reject it. I cannot tell you how many times I was sharing a profound psychological concept with my daughter and she'd say: "oh you mean like in Babylon Five, when the so and so's did so and so?" Or any other sci-fi book she'd be reading at the time.
But about using the Force, yes. Harnessing the natural forces around us consciously--moving one's awareness from being the drop of water, into acknowleging the ocean one also is, enables one to activate amazing comprehension and understanding of the variables of each situation to degrees that are invisible to the general population. One can move from closed awareness of one's small-self into manipulating the field of potential--rearranging the very stage surrounding the interacting players in any drama. This is the platform everything else springs from. Hence the term personal empowerment when one learns to operate from this world-space or view. And hence such empowerment hinging on embracing a much more connected sense of self and a oneness with the environment.
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you're right it will take time, the only way for it to change overnight is to become machiavellan in our actions. It will take time. Our genome hasn't changed in the last hundred years, but our lifestyles have. Weight control, for the most part, is a lifestyle issue...and that is the hardest thing to change b/c you can't just take a pill to get better. It may take pill popping and behavior modification. And in order to convince someone to change behavior we have to point out flaws in people, something our society has seemed to say is a terrible thing. That's why I said we need to educate people. It's the old addage about giving a guy a fish or teaching a guy to fish.
I agree, but let me reiterate what I said in my first post:
We all have our preconceptions about obese people and more particularily morbidly obese people. For a typical obese or overweight person with significant adiposity we can attribute it to lack of will power and sociocultural environment. Lack of exercise combined with poor diet.
However, what of the morbidly obese? Is it possible biology/genetics are responsible. In fact, it is.
Leptin is a hormone produced by adipose tissue (stored fat) that regulates the intake of food and the use of energy. Some people have Leptin resistances or Leptin defficiency which leads to increased food intake and decreased use of stored energy.
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Hopefully this makes sense now. Yes, lifestyle is an element of most obesity. But channel surfing is also an element of stupidity. When you meet a stupid person, do you consider that maybe they have a neural degenerative disease? Perhaps that 700 pound woman standing infront of you has an insensitivity to PPAR-Delta? Maybe dude sucks at sports because he has MS or Spina Bifida. Just maybe, but not always, of course.
So, the original thread topic was not that all obese people are lazy slobs or that all obese people have genetic abnormalities. But some do.
or it might be becos they've never sat down next to me on a plane and forced me to be completely cramped for a 4 hour flight.
i think models are freaky. they look like aliens. it's gross. but if that's their choice, good for them. if obese people want to be obese, fair play to them. but dont sit next to me on a plane and force me to sit in the aisle becos your flesh cant fit in your own seat.
I guess on that same note, if your face makes me puke, I shouldn't have to look at you.
Give me a break, most of my family is big, it's deffinately in my genes. I'm not a big person and I have no problem getting by with big relatives. We get a long just fine. This idea that it drastically inhibits the quality of everyone else's lives is complete nonsense. My uncle Bill was 700 lbs and it didn't affect me at all, but it killed him.
Laura. Jesus.
Stop that.
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Is that your only beef with fat people? Is that it inconveniences you?
I'm inconvenienced by everyone that owns a vehicle. I mean come on. When I'm on a plane waiting to use the washroom because some vain bitch is in their smearing whale bile on her face, I have to put up with it.
I want to buy one of those ultra-lite kits. i want a two-seater so i can parachute off it, too.
Hell yeah!!!!
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I'm a bit confused, but on that note: Parachuting is dangerous, I saw this video where two parachuters collided together and it severed the guys leg, pretty nasty.
chiefly, yes. i dont care what they choose to do with their lifestyle, as long as it doesnt bother me.
How is it determined what bothers you?
Many people, such as myself, are not bothered by obesity. It is possible to choose what bothers you and what doesn't. Perhaps it doesn't bother you at all that people are obese, rather that they are inconsiderate of others. My theory is that obese people are inclined to be inconsiderate due to the lack of consideration for them.
rock on...intolerance and stereotyping have no place in society....and neither do obese people.
"Who let all of this riff-raff into the room? There's one smoking a joint, and another with spots! If I had my way, I'd have all of you shot!"
My comments were made out of concern for the health of my two close friends and from knowing several obese people through out my life.
Yes, there are psychological or physiological disorders, compulsions and conditions that should be analyzed ad researched for better understanding.
But sometimes people just need some tough-love and a good kick in the ass. Sometimes (and this doesn't just apply to obesity, but other addictions and bad behavior), the more you sympathize and coddle someone, the more excuses they have to continue their behavior and just toss it up to their situation being out of their own hands. Which is bullshit.
No one has to eat three Big Macs, 9 chicken nuggets, two large fries, two apple pies and a freakin' Diet Coke.
Hell, if you have the presence of mind ( and foolishness) to believe a Diet Coke, amongst a ton of fatty, greasey food is the deal-breaker in your calorie intake; then you should have enough sense to stop shoveling so much crap into your body.
Education, research, understanding and kindness is all good and productive measures; but some people need a kick in the ass and need to take responsibility for their own actions, their own health and their own lives.
This country has been turning into a pool of overly-sensitive, overly-sympathetic, over-the-top-excuse-makers for just about every bad behavior and nasty element in our society.
Everyone needs to be understood and we should feel sorry for them; pedophiles, mass murderers/serial killers, too. Yeah, they are all victims of some kind of disorder. Thing is, I don't feel sorry for them. I can't bring myself to feel sorry for them. Maybe there's something wrong witn me, but I'm being honest.
I feel sorry for the victims of their attacks and molestations.
This whole "There are no bad people, only bad psychological or physiological disorders" thing is a bunch of crap. There are bad, deviant, selfish, self-absorbed, narcissistic, evil people who commit hideous crimes and do dispicable, hurtful things to other human beings. You don't have to be a genius to figure out they are not in a healthy state of psychological or physiological mind, when they do these things. But most of these people know exactly what they are doing.
I'm not lumping obese people in with the above nut-cases, but only in terms of their self-control and the excuses being made.
Obese people hurt themselves. Their friends and family who love them will lose a loved one way too early in life.
Is it possible to feel sorry for both the criminal and the victim?
What do you believe influences a person decisions outside of natural and social influences?
a-motherfucking-men.
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which is utterly deplorable and reprehensible. however, 2 wrongs do not make a right. somebody smart said that once.
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Considering no one has suggested lack of accountability for overweight people in this thread, I wonder why anyone would take issue with seeking to understand the cause and effect aspects of a problem. Why does understanding the cause equate to "excusing" behaviour to some people?
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The human mind is a very deterministic device, who's mechanisms rely on small bits of information. The tiniest little change in the informational substrate of thought can weild drastically different results. This is why, pretty much everyone behaves and reacts differently to the same stimuli.
"Psychologist Abraham Maslow described the human developmental process as a series of periodic risers beginning with basic survival issues and culminating in self-actualization. The ability to execute one's free will increases exponentially. This is because energy or libido formerly wrapped up in "stuck" patterns becomes available to the ego to use as it chooses.
Despite the fact that Jung had a profound yearning to see a kind of "unified field theory" between physics and psychology, he continued to support his own observations, rather than restrictively tie them to the limited scientific metaphors of his day. Physical science had not yet caught up with Jung's concepts.
His concept of depth psychology based on archetypes (read "attractors") escaped the Procrustean bed of a limited physical worldview. The new sciences at last provide some vindication for his stance that psyche is not different from matter."
"Jung's descriptions of psychological phenomena are very similar to system descriptions coming from the new science of chaos...Jung described regular recurrent qualitative forms (archetypes) contained in the specifics of human interaction; he emphasized the polar interactional nature of human phenomena (anima/animus, shadow/light); and he noted the potential for patterns of events related in a way beyond the immediate cause/effect relationship (synchronicity).
"Chaos" is a mathematical/ physical science of dynamical interactions that reveals regular qualitative forms and describes relatedness beyond immediate cause/effect. One of Jung's great contributions was his insistence on the validity of such phenomena in the face of the restricted scientific metaphor of his time. Chaos and dynamical systems now provide "hard" science terms that fit and support Jung's observations."
I've been in the process of freeing and releasing stuck energy for years. As we move through each stage of development our entire world-view changes. Eventually, rare people regain enough of their "potential" to be able to exist in a mindspace where unusual awareness and understanding becomes known to one. And this information is universal to others at this stage. But to those who are not here--the majority, from the outside and considering they don't have the understanding of such a level, it appears odd, or worse, indeed.
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is this like using the force?
Sci-fi is great at weaving universal truths into our psyches by dressing it up as "mere" entertainment or fiction. Art will slip these concepts past us in ways that were it done intellectually, we'd reject it. I cannot tell you how many times I was sharing a profound psychological concept with my daughter and she'd say: "oh you mean like in Babylon Five, when the so and so's did so and so?" Or any other sci-fi book she'd be reading at the time.
But about using the Force, yes. Harnessing the natural forces around us consciously--moving one's awareness from being the drop of water, into acknowleging the ocean one also is, enables one to activate amazing comprehension and understanding of the variables of each situation to degrees that are invisible to the general population. One can move from closed awareness of one's small-self into manipulating the field of potential--rearranging the very stage surrounding the interacting players in any drama. This is the platform everything else springs from. Hence the term personal empowerment when one learns to operate from this world-space or view. And hence such empowerment hinging on embracing a much more connected sense of self and a oneness with the environment.
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What do you mean by "the environment"?
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