I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Not til you tell me in a PM that by your own free will, you read this message in a post.
I won't tell you that, but regardless of your beliefs, I'd still consider you a friend.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
As one friend to another, I urge watching the conference
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
As one friend to another, I urge watching the conference
You're a slick lil fucker.
I will, probably tomorrow.
Let me state, before watching this. I have the means and know-how to escape this world. I can go into the woods and begin anew with a few simple tools. This may not mean much to some, and spiritually I'm sure the wolverine fucking with my food stash will remind me of something of the "real" world, on the other hand, there would be a difference between choice, and free will.
Let me state, before watching this. I have the means and know-how to escape this world. I can go into the woods and begin anew with a few simple tools. This may not mean much to some, and spiritually I'm sure the wolverine fucking with my food stash will remind me of something of the "real" world, on the other hand, there would be a difference between choice, and free will.
Certainly.
Choice is real, but consciousness and free-will are "nothing" but words
"Consciousness is nothing... but a word"
- Hank Schlinger (California State University)
Well, I'll leave that up to you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Free will as typically used, the phrase has both objective and subjective connotations, in the former case indicating the performance of an action by an agent that is not completely conditioned by antecedent factors, and in the latter case the agent's perception that the action was incepted under his or her own volition."
Fantasy stuff, subjectivity, the term Consciousness was coined in the 1700s prior to that, it's not certain if it existed.
Basically a little invisible man sits inside the brain pulling levers and operating our bodies and brains. That's the basic idea of Free-Will.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Free will as typically used, the phrase has both objective and subjective connotations, in the former case indicating the performance of an action by an agent that is not completely conditioned by antecedent factors, and in the latter case the agent's perception that the action was incepted under his or her own volition."
Fantasy stuff, subjectivity, the term Consciousness was coined in the 1700s prior to that, it's not certain if it existed.
Basically a little invisible man sits inside the brain pulling levers and operating our bodies and brains. That's the basic idea of Free-Will.
It's possible.
What happens when an idea is transcendant? Are we all just ideas?
I hadn't thought of free-will outside of choices, however transitory, that we all make from time to time. Willpower predicates a lot, at least in personal choices and ambitions.
The world isn't ours, Ahnimus. There are many ideas at play here.
I think the idea is not to best them, but to make what you know, better.
"Free will as typically used, the phrase has both objective and subjective connotations, in the former case indicating the performance of an action by an agent that is not completely conditioned by antecedent factors, and in the latter case the agent's perception that the action was incepted under his or her own volition."
Fantasy stuff, subjectivity, the term Consciousness was coined in the 1700s prior to that, it's not certain if it existed.
Basically a little invisible man sits inside the brain pulling levers and operating our bodies and brains. That's the basic idea of Free-Will.
Basically a little invisible man sits inside the brain pulling levers and operating our bodies and brains. That's the basic idea of Free-Will.
I'd rather believe in the little man in my head than believe I am nothing but an automiton controlled by your silly little mathematical formula. I believe neither of those things.
Do you find it strange that you've managed to alienate and put off every other poster in this thread? Even Angelica, who tried bridging the gap between you and "the rest of us", finally had enough of your inane, arrogant posts. You've got the zeal of a missionary, but your delivery has done the opposite of winning converts.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
What happens when an idea is transcendant? Are we all just ideas?
I hadn't thought of free-will outside of choices, however transitory, that we all make from time to time. Willpower predicates a lot, at least in personal choices and ambitions.
The world isn't ours, Ahnimus. There are many ideas at play here.
I think the idea is not to best them, but to make what you know, better.
Well, consciousness was very accurately described to me as "shining a flash-light on the operations of our brains"
We can concentrate on certain operations, but operations do not stop functioning because we aren't shining our "flash-light" on them.
Consciousness IMO, is supervenient to brain functions.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'd rather believe in the little man in my head than believe I am nothing but an automiton controlled by your silly little mathematical formula. I believe neither of those things.
Do you find it strange that you've managed to alienate and put off every other poster in this thread? Even Angelica, who tried bridging the gap between you and "the rest of us", finally had enough of your inane, arrogant posts. You've got the zeal of a missionary, but your delivery has done the opposite of winning converts.
Well, at least I planted seeds.
I'm but one voice making these points, and there are many.
Basically no scientists deny these truths. Benjamin Libet falsely believed that his experiments may negate free-will but we still have free-won't. The ability to negate the brains decisions. He wasn't ready to accept reality either.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm but one voice making these points, and there are many.
Basically no scientists deny these truths. Benjamin Libet falsely believed that his experiments may negate free-will but we still have free-won't. The ability to negate the brains decisions. He wasn't ready to accept reality either.
You're the guy that literally turns people off to ideas. I would do the exact opposite of whatever you said. You are that fucking arrogant, uneducated about what you speak, and just stupid. Really, you bring absolutely nothing to the table.
You're the guy that literally turns people off to ideas. I would do the exact opposite of whatever you said. You are that fucking arrogant, uneducated about what you speak, and just stupid. Really, you bring absolutely nothing to the table.
I've posted most of what I'm getting at. There are really two aspects of this thread, the Free-will debate and the Determinism debate, which I feel are closely related. None-the-less you could believe in one and not the other.
Feel free to ask questions
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I would do the exact opposite of whatever you said.
Don't read anything about Free-will and Consciousness.
Don't read anything about the Third Reich.
Don't read anything about Usury and Judaism.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I've posted most of what I'm getting at. There are really two aspects of this thread, the Free-will debate and the Determinism debate, which I feel are closely related. None-the-less you could believe in one and not the other.
Feel free to ask questions
I'm not sure what those arguments mean. I just believe in myself.
Don't breed. Seriously, your DNA is not of value to the human race.
Actually my DNA is quite good. With the exception of a possible genetic predisposition to cancer and an endomorphic body-type.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not sure what those arguments mean. I just believe in myself.
Well, it's how you define yourself. If you believe that you have a consciousness independent of your physical self (brain) or if you feel that your brain performs all of your functions and consciousness is an awareness, a snapshot of brain activity.
The reason this is important, is because the brain follows deterministic laws. It requires sensory input (Information) to make judgments and perceptions.
The Dualist, or Compatibalist, believes in both, some how. But that position has been pretty much nullified.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Mental faculties are decided by DNA. Again, your's is shit. No, really I bet you have crap for your 11th chromosome. You really need to seek help.
My karyotype is important for the development of my brain, which reached final maturation probably within the last 5 years. As the prefrontal cortex doesn't develop until post-adolescence, usually early - mid 20s.
What is mostly important at this stage is my phenotypic characteristics. Which doesn't fall short of normal.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, it's how you define yourself. If you believe that you have a consciousness independent of your physical self (brain) or if you feel that your brain performs all of your functions and consciousness is an awareness, a snapshot of brain activity.
The reason this is important, is because the brain follows deterministic laws. It requires sensory input (Information) to make judgments and perceptions.
The Dualist, or Compatibalist, believes in both, some how. But that position has been pretty much nullified.
You forgot instinct.
I know, as you've been posting here tonight you're relying on some sort of system of..of whatever... yes, consciousness does prevail.
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lol, prove it!!
Please watch the conference.
I won't watch the conference.
must be free will.
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I would call that ignorance.
Ahnimus, my friend.
No, I won't call you friend.
Not til you tell me in a PM that by your own free will, you read this message in a post.
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I won't tell you that, but regardless of your beliefs, I'd still consider you a friend.
I think we're friends, too.
PM anytime. Really, about anything.
Well, not about weird shit, just the usual.
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As one friend to another, I urge watching the conference
I will, probably tomorrow.
Let me state, before watching this. I have the means and know-how to escape this world. I can go into the woods and begin anew with a few simple tools. This may not mean much to some, and spiritually I'm sure the wolverine fucking with my food stash will remind me of something of the "real" world, on the other hand, there would be a difference between choice, and free will.
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Certainly.
Choice is real, but consciousness and free-will are "nothing" but words
"Consciousness is nothing... but a word"
- Hank Schlinger (California State University)
Well, I'll leave that up to you.
You could have said that to start with.
Will. What is will?
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"Free will as typically used, the phrase has both objective and subjective connotations, in the former case indicating the performance of an action by an agent that is not completely conditioned by antecedent factors, and in the latter case the agent's perception that the action was incepted under his or her own volition."
Fantasy stuff, subjectivity, the term Consciousness was coined in the 1700s prior to that, it's not certain if it existed.
Basically a little invisible man sits inside the brain pulling levers and operating our bodies and brains. That's the basic idea of Free-Will.
It's possible.
What happens when an idea is transcendant? Are we all just ideas?
I hadn't thought of free-will outside of choices, however transitory, that we all make from time to time. Willpower predicates a lot, at least in personal choices and ambitions.
The world isn't ours, Ahnimus. There are many ideas at play here.
I think the idea is not to best them, but to make what you know, better.
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You are typing a lot and saying little.
Not really. I understood it. He was basically saying that free will was less or equal to the concept of some 17th century motherfucker.
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I'd rather believe in the little man in my head than believe I am nothing but an automiton controlled by your silly little mathematical formula. I believe neither of those things.
Do you find it strange that you've managed to alienate and put off every other poster in this thread? Even Angelica, who tried bridging the gap between you and "the rest of us", finally had enough of your inane, arrogant posts. You've got the zeal of a missionary, but your delivery has done the opposite of winning converts.
Well, consciousness was very accurately described to me as "shining a flash-light on the operations of our brains"
We can concentrate on certain operations, but operations do not stop functioning because we aren't shining our "flash-light" on them.
Consciousness IMO, is supervenient to brain functions.
Well, at least I planted seeds.
I'm but one voice making these points, and there are many.
Basically no scientists deny these truths. Benjamin Libet falsely believed that his experiments may negate free-will but we still have free-won't. The ability to negate the brains decisions. He wasn't ready to accept reality either.
Is that in vegetables, meats, or the frozen department?
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You're the guy that literally turns people off to ideas. I would do the exact opposite of whatever you said. You are that fucking arrogant, uneducated about what you speak, and just stupid. Really, you bring absolutely nothing to the table.
I don't think so.
I want to hear Ahnimus out.
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I've posted most of what I'm getting at. There are really two aspects of this thread, the Free-will debate and the Determinism debate, which I feel are closely related. None-the-less you could believe in one and not the other.
Feel free to ask questions
Don't read anything about Free-will and Consciousness.
Don't read anything about the Third Reich.
Don't read anything about Usury and Judaism.
Don't breed. Seriously, your DNA is not of value to the human race.
I'm not sure what those arguments mean. I just believe in myself.
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Actually my DNA is quite good. With the exception of a possible genetic predisposition to cancer and an endomorphic body-type.
Well, it's how you define yourself. If you believe that you have a consciousness independent of your physical self (brain) or if you feel that your brain performs all of your functions and consciousness is an awareness, a snapshot of brain activity.
The reason this is important, is because the brain follows deterministic laws. It requires sensory input (Information) to make judgments and perceptions.
The Dualist, or Compatibalist, believes in both, some how. But that position has been pretty much nullified.
He is DNA, and don't you ever forget it.
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Mental faculties are decided by DNA. Again, your's is shit. No, really I bet you have crap for your 11th chromosome. You really need to seek help.
My karyotype is important for the development of my brain, which reached final maturation probably within the last 5 years. As the prefrontal cortex doesn't develop until post-adolescence, usually early - mid 20s.
What is mostly important at this stage is my phenotypic characteristics. Which doesn't fall short of normal.
You forgot instinct.
I know, as you've been posting here tonight you're relying on some sort of system of..of whatever... yes, consciousness does prevail.
WITH instinct.
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