Seems to me a lot of Americans are only against the war because its not going well

Scratchin a Letter

Byrnzie wrote:

They might deport you to England! :eek:

Sadly, it looks as if the lovely Ms. Rodgers has been shown the door at this point...

Scratchin a Letter

I think a proportion of the US general public are against the war because it's 'not going well', but have all wars been a straighforward success? No. I've been against the war from the beginning but only due to the fact that it was highly unnecessary and likely to cause significant devestation to a nation already in a shaky state. Those who supported the war back in spring '03 but changed their stance, I think, did so for a similar reason to mine: No WMD's, ensuing civil war, horrendous casualty on all sides and the arrogance of the commanding forces denying these issues. I'm sure World War Two, The Battle of Hastings and the Thirty Years War had their ups and downs, but the majority supported these conflicts as they were needed to preserve existance.

Madra Rua

NCfan wrote:

I don't agree with you so that means i'm think, ignorant and full of shit - nice!

Don't you mean there's no point in arguing with somebody that doesn't agree with you?

I agree with aoife, there are some things you can get over if you disagree with someone about them but other thinggs are insurmontable because a persons views can highlight a complete arrogance and stupidity in them and you may as well be talking to a wall, which in this case is true, hello wall how are you today? Like for example would you bother your time arguing with a racist. Jesus am i still talking to a wall i must be crazy

Madra Rua

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

Sadly, it looks as if the lovely Ms. Rodgers has been shown the door at this point...

Im sure she is here in spirit. I think she is lovely and im not being sarcastic

callen

Byrnzie wrote:

Thanks.

thank you

jlew24asu

Madra Rua wrote:

Im sure she is here in spirit. I think she is lovely and im not being sarcastic

looks like someone created a new screen name after being banned, how clever

NCfan

gue_barium wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with most of your views, and the major flaw I see in your Iraq argument is that you seem to have confused healthy human conflict and competition as an inevitable right to war. Or, way to war. It's more of a personal thing of yours. That war is always inevitable because that's what humans do.

I think there are probably many examples in history where war looked imminent, yet was avoided, and if you took the time to look those situations up, you might have a different perspective on the way the last 4 years have gone for America in Iraq had we chose not to invade.

You're right, I do think that is what humans do. Why do you believe otherwise? Hasn't history shown us over and over that humans fight and kill each other? I doubt there has been one day in the last 1,000 years where one human hasn't killed another human.

I think one day we will overcome this, but societies have to evolve and that is going to take a long, long time. Ironically I think the US and other countries are at the front of that evolution because we have created a government that while not perfect respects the differences of other humans - religious, race, etc. Now think a little bit what I mean by that before you rebute that statement...

I'm scared that we'll end up destroying the planet before that ever happens.
In the case of Iraq, there was simply no way to talk Saddam out of power. There was absolutely no chance that the citizens were going to overthrow Saddam either.

The case for WMD's was believable and it made sense to support the invasion. It turned out that was a lie, and I was literally crushed. That was probably one of the most confusing times of my life thinking that my government lied to the world to start this war... It was terrible and I was soo upset.

Then I read a few articles about how the WMD issue was a lost cause but it would be worse to abandon the Iraqi's and we had a moral obligation to fix their country. So I here I go again "supporting the war" when in reality all I'm supporting is our troops maintaining order so a government could be formed.

What kind of ethics did the anti-war camp have to just want to up and abandon the Iraqi people and leave them to a civil war? Did they not care if the Sunni's were masacared?

So this is why I support the war. We need to fix the country we broke....

Madra Rua

jlew24asu wrote:

looks like someone created a new screen name after being banned, how clever

ament i just:D i was wondering would anyone notice, well its not mine to be quite honost but a good friend of mine was nice enough to lend me their name

Byrnzie

Madra Rua wrote:

ament i just:D i was wondering would anyone notice, well its not mine to be quite honost but a good friend of mine was nice enough to lend me their name

You're not meant to own up to it! :rolleyes:

angelica

Byrnzie wrote:

You're not meant to own up to it! :rolleyes:

No kidding! :rolleyes:!!