And the Violence Continues

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    veritas wrote:
    zionism was a movement started by european jews that has been strengthened by poor jews from around the world who are promised land in israel that they are not entitled to. These jews returning to israel will now fight to the death to defend the land they have taken because it is all that they have.. .... well that and nuclear weapons..... it is a fabulous situation

    fun fact ... total number of jews on the entire planet right now..... 14- 15 million est.
    by comparison ...population of Iran ......70 million est

    number of jews in what became israel in 1947 ..... 600K
    number of arabs in what became israel in 1947..... 1.2 million

    look it up

    First of all, the information in the first paragraph is slightly untrue. The land of Palestine was promised to the Arab inhabitants of Palestine during Ottoman rule. The indigenous arab population agreed with Lord Balfour to assist in overthrowing the Ottoman Empire in exchange for Palestinian sovereignty. Lord Rothschild convinced Lord Balfour to sign the Balfour declaration which granted Palestine to the Jews. The land was promised to both people, so therefore, they are both entitled to it. However, since the land was already inhabited by Palestinian Arabs, they would have to be killed for any Jews to establish a land there. Lord Rothschild was concerned with his financial situation and saw more potential in dealing with a Jewish state over an Arab state. That is the reason the Balfour Declaration was ever written. It had little to do with the Holocaust. The holocaust was an accelerant and a justifier for the Israeli decleration of Independance in 1948 that caused the rippling of violence evident today.

    Secondly, the rest of what you posted is irrelevant.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Or R for racist.
    ;)

    That would have been a bit too telling, but they found me out anyway.
  • shiraz
    shiraz Posts: 528
    veritas wrote:
    zionism was a movement started by european jews that has been strengthened by poor jews from around the world who are promised land in israel that they are not entitled to. These jews returning to israel will now fight to the death to defend the land they have taken because it is all that they have.. .... well that and nuclear weapons..... it is a fabulous situation

    fun fact ... total number of jews on the entire planet right now..... 14- 15 million est.
    by comparison ...population of Iran ......70 million est

    number of jews in what became israel in 1947 ..... 600K
    number of arabs in what became israel in 1947..... 1.2 million

    look it up

    Zionism was a movement. it is almost no longer exists in Israeli parlament nor Israeli society. End of discussion.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    jsand wrote:
    That would have been a bit too telling, but they found me out anyway.

    It must have been that NO ARABS tattoo. Dude, I told you to have that thing removed.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Where have I said that? I read everything I can on these topics, time and energy permitting. And I could be wrong here, but have I ever posted a link or source as if it were the gospel truth? If that's how it appears, then I must apologize.

    Likewise. If your perception of my sources or statements is that of gospel, then sadly you are mistaken. Some things I know, some things I don't, some things I am unsure of. However, the previous statement, Zionism is racism, I do know.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    reborncareerist wrote:
    It must have been that NO ARABS tattoo. Dude, I told you to have that thing removed.

    It says DEATH TO ARABS...remember?
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Likewise. If your perception of my sources or statements is that of gospel, then sadly you are mistaken. Some things I know, some things I don't, some things I am unsure of. However, the previous statement, Zionism is racism, I do know.

    Yes, we get it. You know that Zionism is racism.

    Like you, some things I know, and some things I don't. I know that pigs can fly, and that's a fact.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jsand wrote:
    Yes, we get it. You know that Zionism is racism.

    Like you, some things I know, and some things I don't. I know that pigs can fly, and that's a fact.

    Well, that was a well thought out come-back. I have a lot of experience in retaliating against such comments, but I will refrain. It's clear by the flying pig statement that you interpret this board as some thing elementary.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, that was a well thought out come-back. I have a lot of experience in retaliating against such comments, but I will refrain. It's clear by the flying pig statement that you interpret this board as some thing elementary.

    Defining Zionism as a form of racism is a subjective point, one open to debate. That the point I have been trying to make.
    If this point is reality to you, fine. It is not everyone's reality.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jsand wrote:
    Yes, we get it. You know that Zionism is racism.

    Like you, some things I know, and some things I don't. I know that pigs can fly, and that's a fact.

    I saw a pig fly once...at a floyd show...that pig freaked me out...
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, that was a well thought out come-back. I have a lot of experience in retaliating against such comments, but I will refrain. It's clear by the flying pig statement that you interpret this board as some thing elementary.

    A lot of things posted on here are elementary, and infantile, and I will treat them as such.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    inmytree wrote:
    I saw a pig fly once...at a floyd show...that pig freaked me out...

    See...I'm right.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Defining Zionism as a form of racism is a subjective point, one open to debate. That the point I have been trying to make.
    If this point is reality to you, fine. It is not everyone's reality.

    Fair enough.

    I suppose on that same token, it's acceptable to say that the KKK or the Nazi regime's attribution of racism is subjective aswell. All forms of prejudice are subjective.

    We believe the Nazi regime to be racist based on our international courts. E.g. the Nürnberg Trials. Relatively speaking, the UN is our Nürnberg now.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • acutejam
    acutejam Posts: 1,433
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I think you are giving too much credit to democracy and not enough to the republics. If you really think about it, the United States is a republic and tends to become upset over democratic elections in other sovereign states.

    I can not truly begin to fathom what you mean? Not enough credit to the republics where the power to "vote" resides with say one, or a few dozen "royal" folks instead of all the citizens? Could you name a few shining examples of these UN republics for me?

    But no, I think we become upset over _the results_ of those democratic elections. I would love for more republics and kingdoms to have elections, but no, I can't promise you I'll be happy with the results.

    And I can't promise the people themselves will be happy with the results, half of my own nation is usually upset at the results....

    I find it best in those moments to put on my birkenstocks and tie-dye and blend into the surrounding citizens, abandoning my uniform of coat and tie in the hopes I won't be recognized for what I am. And if I am recognized, then my hope would be that in lambasting me, those fellow birkenstock clad folks will also draw the ire of the lambaster causing a much larger conflagration!
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Fair enough.

    I suppose on that same token, it's acceptable to say that the KKK or the Nazi regime's attribution of racism is subjective aswell. All forms of prejudice are subjective.

    We believe the Nazi regime to be racist based on our international courts. E.g. the Nürnberg Trials. Relatively speaking, the UN is our Nürnberg now.

    I don't know about you, but I see a difference between an ideology that explicitly argues that "inferior" beings be destroyed, and one that argues that a religious group needs its own homeland.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    acutejam wrote:
    I can not truly begin to fathom what you mean? Not enough credit to the republics where the power to "vote" resides with say one, or a few dozen "royal" folks instead of all the citizens? Could you name a few shining examples of these UN republics for me?

    But no, I think we become upset over _the results_ of those democratic elections. I would love for more republics and kingdoms to have elections, but no, I can't promise you I'll be happy with the results.

    And I can't promise the people themselves will be happy with the results, half of my own nation is usually upset at the results....

    Well that's rather hipocritical if you ask me. I am discontent with the results of Canada and the United States most recent elections. However, that doesn't grant me the right to take economic or military actions against them.

    The reality of that whole perspective is that, it's not democracy that works in the mind. It's a specific rule set, or set of principles which compliment the general practice of western civilization. It has very little to do with democracy. A dictator of those same principles would not be a problem, in the eyes of facsists like Pres. Bush. In Bush's own words his bane is democracy, for if he were a dictator "..it would be much easier..".
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I don't know about you, but I see a difference between an ideology that explicitly argues that "inferior" beings be destroyed, and one that argues that a religious group needs its own homeland.

    During my research into Judaism I found several passages in the Talmud that refers to non-Jews or Goyyim as the equivelant of beasts and called several times for their death.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I think you are giving too much credit to democracy and not enough to the republics. If you really think about it, the United States is a republic and tends to become upset over democratic elections in other sovereign states.
    I hereby nominate this for post of the year.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Seriously, Ahnimus. There is no real need for you to make this a personal issue. You guys are going to get this thread locked.

    As for this post itself ... I usually do click on your links, and while some of them fit the bill of "credible source", that doesn't mean they contain the gospel truth on these issues.
    That's true but for jsand or anyone else to say Ahnimus doesn't know what he talks about and can't backup his opinions is ludicrous.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    During my research into Judaism I found several passages in the Talmud that refers to non-Jews or Goyyim as the equivelant of beasts and called several times for their death.

    And rumour has it that in certain Islamic states, not adhering to said faith is often just cause for death. Yet you decry one faith and defend the other.
    I will be the first person to admit that all three Western religions are full of bigots. I just choose not to paint everyone with the same brush. You can't see it, can you? You are all uptight about racism yet you use the same blanket judgments that racists do!

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