Castro reportedly in 'grave' condition

Pacomc79

It dosen't really matter, we should be trading and be able to travel there now.

jlew24asu

Cheguevara6 wrote:

answer the question I keep asking, why does the u.s. care about castro? It doesnt care at all about helping people, the u.s. could care less about all that. Why is it so interested in what castro does?

its not. who said it was?

Cheguevara6 wrote:

And again, what is our own president and our own system if cuba is considered a dictatorship?

A free country.

do you think you can criticize castro the same way you criticize bush if you lived in cuba?


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jlew24asu

baraka wrote:

You don't want the cuban people to be free,

yes I do

baraka wrote:

you want to impose your will on them.

imposing freedom? ok I want them to be free.

baraka wrote:

An individual can NOT be free if you are 'forcing' anything on them and giving them no choice. Again, this makes you no different than the dictators you oppose.

if given the choice, would any human, choose freedom or choose a dictator?

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

people under rule of a dictator arent allowed to ask for help. and with thousands of cubans risking their lives by floating on a makeshift raft to escape is a sign that they need help.

Thousands of Africans float over to Europe and die in the process also...

jlew24asu wrote:

... because I would like people to be free..

Somehow I don't believe this... considering you work for an oil company and see yourself being president some day... it just doesn't sound so sincere... also I think most Americans since 9/11 have overused the word 'freedom'. The 'freedom' you refer to exists very rarely in industrialised and corporate nations.

jlew24asu wrote:

there is plenty of help going to Africa. and there are 54 countries in africa and 85% (just a guess) are under dictatorships. should we go marching around changing the world? ok lets go.

If a country asks for our help yes we should. People CAN ask even WITH dictators. We know what's going on in most of these countries and choose to ignore it... what is so special about Cuba?

jlew24asu

Pacomc79 wrote:

It dosen't really matter, we should be trading and be able to travel there now.

that would be nice

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

do you think you can criticize castro the same way you criticize bush if you lived in cuba?


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Actually since 9/11 it's probably pretty similar.

At least Castro does things to help his own people

musicismylife78

oh yeah, I forgot our glorious country has free speech. Yeah, like when Eddie Vedder in NYC spoke against the war and was booed by thousands of fans who turned their back on him and threw crap at him. Yeah thats freedom of speech. Or how the Dixie Chicks were and still are banned from many country radio stations for being against the war. I completely forgot how free speech loving we as a nation are!

Or how about how those who disagreed with the war from the start were called unpatriotic or unamerican!

How about how if you are merely muslim or arab you are profiled at airports? Or how about how the u.s. treated prisoners in Abu Gharaib. I am sure the u.s. was thinking in free speech terms when u.s. guards were raping 10 year old boys.

I always love those america loving types who think america can do no wrong and everything other countries do is complete crap.

Yeah your right, people werent attacked, harmed, criticized, maligned, slandered, hurt, just because they spoke out on the war!

Look at my thread on sean penn for gods sake. The guy says the wars wrong and Bush should be impeached and thats what people talk about instead of his movies. Free speech, yeah right buddy! Look at what hannity said about Penn!

We dont have free speech in this country. Its a sham. One just has to understand how those post 9/11 were treated if they opposed the direction of this country.

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

Thousands of Africans float over to Europe and die in the process also...

really? first I heard of this.

Heineken Helen wrote:

Somehow I don't believe this... considering you work for an oil company and see yourself being president some day.

wrong again, I dont work for a oil company. I work for a trading company. and I absolutely NEVER see myself being president. amazing how wrong you are.

Heineken Helen wrote:

If a country asks for our help yes we should. People CAN ask even WITH dictators.

really? kinda like swimming across the ocean to escape?

Heineken Helen wrote:

We know what's going on in most of these countries and choose to ignore it... what is so special about Cuba?

we give more aid then any other country in the world, BY FAR. cuba is so special becuase its 80 miles off the coast of america.

ThumbingMyWay32

Heineken Helen wrote:

Hey, the leadership of Northern Ireland hasn't changed in about 2000 years it seems :rolleyes: BUT you're talking about things in the past... stop being so bitter and move on, will ya?

Can someone decode this?

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

wake up. someone(cuban people) CANNOT ask for help under a dictator.

Sometimes it's not necessary. Not all dictatorships are bad, you know.

jlew24asu

Cheguevara6 wrote:

oh yeah, I forgot our glorious country has free speech. Yeah, like when Eddie Vedder in NYC spoke against the war and was booed by thousands of fans who turned their back on him and threw crap at him. Yeah thats freedom of speech.

how is it not?

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Or how the Dixie Chicks were and still are banned from many country radio stations for being against the war. I completely forgot how free speech loving we as a nation are!

radio stations can ban whoever they want.

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Or how about how those who disagreed with the war from the start were called unpatriotic or unamerican!

people are allowed to have an opinion. thats freedom

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Or how about how the u.s. treated prisoners in Abu Gharaib. I am sure the u.s. was thinking in free speech terms when u.s. guards were raping 10 year old boys.

thats horrible and the people involved were rightfully sent to jail for a long time.

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Yeah your right, people werent attacked, harmed, criticized, maligned, slandered, hurt, just because they spoke out on the war!

who was?

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Look at my thread on sean penn for gods sake. The guy says the wars wrong and Bush should be impeached and thats what people talk about instead of his movies. Free speech, yeah right buddy! Look at what hannity said about Penn!

you just gave an example of free speech

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

Sometimes it's not necessary. Not all dictatorships are bad, you know.

holy fuck this just keep getting better. name me a "good" one.


you know, forget it. im not interested

jlew24asu

Heineken Helen wrote:

Actually since 9/11 it's probably pretty similar.

At least Castro does things to help his own people

give it a rest. you will not be jailed or killed for criticizing bush. you dont even live in america, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

holy fuck this just keep getting better. name me a "good" one.


you know, forget it. im not interested

Singapore. You're not interested? Why not?

norm

Cheguevara6 wrote:

oh yeah, I forgot our glorious country has free speech. Yeah, like when Eddie Vedder in NYC spoke against the war and was booed by thousands of fans who turned their back on him and threw crap at him. Yeah thats freedom of speech. Or how the Dixie Chicks were and still are banned from many country radio stations for being against the war. I completely forgot how free speech loving we as a nation are!

Right or wrong all of this is free speech.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

give it a rest. you will not be jailed or killed for criticizing bush. you dont even live in america, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

You don't live in Cuba...:rolleyes:

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

Singapore. You're not interested? Why not?

Singapore is a republic with a Westminster system of a unicameral parliamentary government representing different constituencies of Singapore. The bulk of the executive powers rests in the hands of the Cabinet of Singapore, which consists of ministers led by the Prime Minister of Singapore. The office of the President of Singapore was, historically, a ceremonial one as head of state, but the Constitution of Singapore was amended in 1991 to create the position of a popularly elected President and also to grant the President veto powers in a few key decisions such as the use of the national reserves and the appointment of key judiciary positions.The legislative branch of government is the Parliament. Parliamentary elections in Singapore are plurality-based for group representation constituencies since the Parliamentary Elections Act was modified in 1991.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore




im not interested becuase having a dictator take away choices and freedoms of people is bad. people, human beings, only deserve one fate and thats freedom

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

You don't live in Cuba...:rolleyes:

touche

Collin

Cuba isn't a dictatorship either.

I'm not saying it's a good thing or that people enjoy equal freedoms in Cuba as western countries, though.

Heineken Helen

jlew24asu wrote:

really? first I heard of this. .

Yep... Spain, Italy, Malta, Cyprus... Africans float up every day.

jlew24asu wrote:

wrong again, I dont work for a oil company. I work for a trading company. and I absolutely NEVER see myself being president. amazing how wrong you are..

Ok well I took you up wrong then, I apologise.

jlew24asu wrote:

really? kinda like swimming across the ocean to escape? we give more aid then any other country in the world, BY FAR. cuba is so special becuase its 80 miles off the coast of america.

Eh no you don't... per head of population FAR from it.

Per capita, US is no. 20

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don_percap-economic-aid-donor-per-capita

Per GDP US is no. 23

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_eco_aid_don_pergdp-economic-aid-donor-per-gdp

Note we're in the top ten on both lists