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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...so that's what you think the average gun criminal is? Not only does the average person who uses a gun in a crime have a significant record of criminal behavior, the average victim also has a record of criminal behavior. You might want to reconsider any perspective that pretends that the gun itself makes the decision.

    Your example above, while certainly not without precendent, is very much the exception to the rule.

    Yeah?

    "Sacramento, CA -- Young adults who legally buy small, inexpensive handguns are more likely to commit a crime after the purchase of the gun even if they had no criminal record, say investigators at UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program.

    Garen Wintemute, an emergency room physician and public health epidemiologist at the UC Davis School of Medicine and Medical Center, published the findings in the January issue of the Journal of Trauma, which was mailed to subscribers this week.

    Young adults have among the highest rates of weapons offenses and other forms of serious criminal activity in the United States. The UC Davis study is the first to investigate the preferences of young adults who purchase guns legally and to link choice of gun type with future criminal activity.

    "For years there has been anecdotal evidence to support the view that small, inexpensive handguns play a role in crimes committed by first offenders," says Wintemute. "This study is the first to rely on objective, comparative data to determine whether the purchase of small, inexpensive handguns, the so-called Saturday Night Specials, is a valid indicator for later criminal activity."

    Of the 31,121 individuals aged 21 to 25 years of age who passed background checks and purchased handguns in California in 1988, 90 percent had no previous criminal history. But those who purchased small, inexpensive handguns were 70 percent more likely than purchasers of other handguns to be charged with their first criminal offense. Moreover, young adults with no prior criminal record who purchased these handguns were 90 percent more likely to be charged with an offense involving violence or a weapon in the three years following their purchase. "

    OK.. so this study is about small, inexpensive handguns but hey... just goes to show that not only assault weapons and automatics should be banned...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:
    I've read Jlew's posts for last several months..and he's evolving. Course I'm thinking most people on this board are...even if they won't admit it......both ways by the way.


    just because I dont want to piss on bush's grave after he passes, people assume I'm a raging right wing neo-con.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jlew24asu wrote:

    boo hooo for the avid gun collector.

    Yeah, fuck the law abiding citizen minding his/her own business.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jeffbr wrote:
    Yeah, fuck the law abiding citizen minding his/her own business.


    o relax. i'm not hoping every gun in this country is rounded up. I specifically said which guns I would and which ones are ok to own. provided those owners should proof they are law abiding citizens
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    handcuffs, mug shot, court date.

    So your police officers are armed with only handcuffs, camera and date books?
    my first post on this thread.

    Ok, I think I misread it. Are you suggesting that only assault rifles be banned? We already had that:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban
    eggs dont kill people

    It appears that your only standard here is to ban that which fits the following logic:

    "If XXXXX hadn't been part of the equation, a murder wouldn't have happened"
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    provided those owners should proof they are law abiding citizens

    Slow down Stalin.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So your police officers are armed with only handcuffs, camera and date books?

    when did I say law enforcement shouldnt carry guns?


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok, I think I misread it. Are you suggesting that only assault rifles be banned? We already had that:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban

    that was a start, law should have been tougher then that but it expired anyway. I find it sad


    farfromglorified wrote:
    It appears that your only standard here is to ban that which fits the following logic:

    "If XXXXX hadn't been part of the equation, a murder wouldn't have happened"

    if a GUN hadnt been part of that equation, a murder wouldnt have happened.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Slow down Stalin.



    why? I dont think former criminals should be allowed to be a gun collector
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    redrock wrote:
    Yeah?

    "Sacramento, CA -- Young adults who legally buy small, inexpensive handguns are more likely to commit a crime after the purchase of the gun even if they had no criminal record, say investigators at UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program.

    Garen Wintemute, an emergency room physician and public health epidemiologist at the UC Davis School of Medicine and Medical Center, published the findings in the January issue of the Journal of Trauma, which was mailed to subscribers this week.

    Young adults have among the highest rates of weapons offenses and other forms of serious criminal activity in the United States. The UC Davis study is the first to investigate the preferences of young adults who purchase guns legally and to link choice of gun type with future criminal activity.

    "For years there has been anecdotal evidence to support the view that small, inexpensive handguns play a role in crimes committed by first offenders," says Wintemute. "This study is the first to rely on objective, comparative data to determine whether the purchase of small, inexpensive handguns, the so-called Saturday Night Specials, is a valid indicator for later criminal activity."

    Of the 31,121 individuals aged 21 to 25 years of age who passed background checks and purchased handguns in California in 1988, 90 percent had no previous criminal history. But those who purchased small, inexpensive handguns were 70 percent more likely than purchasers of other handguns to be charged with their first criminal offense. Moreover, young adults with no prior criminal record who purchased these handguns were 90 percent more likely to be charged with an offense involving violence or a weapon in the three years following their purchase. "

    OK.. so this study is about small, inexpensive handguns but hey... just goes to show that not only assault weapons and automatics should be banned...

    This is great:

    "But those who purchased small, inexpensive handguns were 70 percent more likely than purchasers of other handguns to be charged with their first criminal offense"

    Was that "first criminal offense" a gun offense?

    Also, I love how it says people who buy certain guns are more "90% more likely to be charged with an offense involving violence or a weapon". Can I just turn the logic around and say the people who buy the other guns are "90% less likely to be charged"????

    Your contention was that the average murder is just some crime of passion by an average person. This does not bear out in the stats. 60-75% of murderers had prior records, depending on who you listen to. Furthermore, the average US household has a gun and a murder or crime is not committed with that gun.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I hate guns
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why?

    You put the burden of proof for their innocence on them. That's very scary.
    I dont think former criminals should be allowed to be a gun collector

    I don't think people who get speeding tickets should be allowed to drive, since speeding is the #1 cause of traffic fatalities.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I hate guns

    Unless of course they're used enforcing your gun ban, right?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You put the burden of proof for their innocence on them. That's very scary.

    background checks. something wrong with that?


    farfromglorified wrote:
    I don't think people who get speeding tickets should be allowed to drive, since speeding is the #1 cause of traffic fatalities.

    with enough speeding tickets you license will get revoked and/or insurence costs will be too expensive to own a car.

    looks like you got your wish
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    when did I say law enforcement shouldnt carry guns?

    You didn't. That's the problem.
    that was a start, law should have been tougher then that but it expired anyway. I find it sad

    The law expired, yes. However, during the 10 years it was around it led to no known decline in violent crime.
    if a GUN hadnt been part of that equation, a murder wouldnt have happened.

    Same goes for the egg.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Unless of course they're used enforcing your gun ban, right?


    no I hate those guns too
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    background checks. something wrong with that?

    Not really, unless of course I have to run my own background check for you.
    with enough speeding tickets you license will get revoked and/or insurence costs will be too expensive to own a car.

    That's not "tough enough". I want people's cars to be confiscated for the first offense. Furthermore, the very ownership of a car should put you under suspicion.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no I hate those guns too

    Then why are you demanding that they be used?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You didn't. That's the problem.

    why would you assume I wanted guns taken away from law enforement?


    farfromglorified wrote:
    The law expired, yes. However, during the 10 years it was around it led to no known decline in violent crime.

    10 years isnt long enough, and I dont think it was tough enough


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Same goes for the egg.

    wrong. that guy could have shot and killed the kid for wearing the wrong gang colors.

    some people dont even need a reason to start shooting other people.

    would love to have an egg fight. no one would die
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Then why are you demanding that they be used?


    I'm not. I never demanded anything. you need to stop assuming. too much is going on in the little head of yours
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Not really, unless of course I have to run my own background check for you.

    no you wont. dont worry


    farfromglorified wrote:
    That's not "tough enough". I want people's cars to be confiscated for the first offense. Furthermore, the very ownership of a car should put you under suspicion.

    that sucks, good thing you arent a law-maker or lawyer, we would all be in some hot water.

    cars are not made or designed to kill people. guns are.

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