Well maybe church..that doesnt really bother me. But bars yes. Drinking and guns dont mix. But most places having a gun is not a problem.
Drinking and guns don't mix. But the logic that everyone in a bar is drunk or even drinking also doesn't mix with reality. Furthermore, bars aren't the only place one can get a drink.
there are several software programs where you can calculate kinetic energys; velocity; and bullet drop without leaving your computer. i suggest you invest in one.
Yeah, I'm well aware. I am an avid shooter and reloader.
once again i reiterate; it takes intense training for anyone to hit a target over 500 yrds.
Nope. Just a lot of practice, good ammo, and good optics.
the police are highly trained with their weapons yet watch the reality police shows and see several officers shooting at a suspect from 5 feet away without hitting him. how do you explain that?
The same way I've seen bench-rest shooters who can put a 10 round group in a quarter size hole at 100yards yet miss a deer at 30yards. They are totally out of thier element. Most police officers simply qualify with thier weapon. There is no intense real world training for the majority of them.
Yes, we cleared up the fact that you're going to treat every gun-toting person in a bar as a drunken murderer, and you're going to be occassionally wrong about the former and almost always wrong about the latter.
you can not buy a drink at a grocery store. you can buy liquor, but not drink it.
and walk out the front door to the commons you'll see in the picture on the home page and get sloppy drunk. I think I might just do that tonight. And I'm sure you'll read about the bloody massacre in the papers, right?
once a year event. your really diggin deep my friend
What about all the other parties we have, or my friends have, or my families have? Can I take my gun tailgating at the UNC basketball game on Saturday? You're trying to pretend somehow that a bar is somehow unique because people can get together and drink there. It's not unique at all in that respect.
so they can protect us from people who commit crimes.
Ok. Perhaps I'm missing something. If a gun's only purpose is killing, and killing is a crime, what are gun-toting cops who kill people protecting you from again?
Is killing ok when a cop is doing it? Is killing ok so long as you're not being killed? I'm trying to find out where the magic happens when my gun is transferred to the police in your confiscation scheme.
Drinking and guns don't mix. But the logic that everyone in a bar is drunk or even drinking also doesn't mix with reality. Furthermore, bars aren't the only place one can get a drink.
drinking and driving doesn't mix either. do we ban cars? drunk drivers kill more people than guns. i'm with you FFG; but i'm trying to make a point. a drunk person with a gun is as deadly as a drunk person with a car; or even a knife. breaking it down; a drunk is less likely to hit someone with a gun while imparred. people take outside forces and add them to the gun issue to make their point.
That would be impossible, unless they bring their own ammo. Go back a few pages.
ah, sorry.
But wouldn't you be in trouble if the person had a gun of thier own?
I'm always freaked out about someone breaking into my place but I always thought that a gun wouldn't make me much safer. When I have my own house I'm going to get a bomb security system
Ok. Perhaps I'm missing something. If a gun's only purpose is killing, and killing is a crime, what are gun-toting cops who kill people protecting you from again?
I dont have the time to explain how the world works but I'll try. police have the authority to kill those who poses a threat to themselves or others. they are trained, pledge an oath to serve and protect, and if and when they shoot someone, its always investigating to prove it was justified.
Is killing ok so long as you're not being killed? I'm trying to find out where the magic happens when my gun is transferred to the police in your confiscation scheme.
when you stop assuming I want all guns banned is when we can have an adult conversation
drinking and driving doesn't mix either. do we ban cars? drunk drivers kill more people than guns. i'm with you FFG; but i'm trying to make a point. a drunk person with a gun is as deadly as a drunk person with a car; or even a knife. breaking it down; a drunk is less likely to hit someone with a gun while imparred. people take outside forces and add them to the gun issue to make their point.
I totally agree. I'm not advocating getting drunk and wielding a gun. I'm simply rejecting any scheme that labels a gun owner near liquor a drunken murderer.
I totally agree. I'm not advocating getting drunk and wielding a gun. I'm simply rejecting any scheme that labels a gun owner near liquor a drunken murderer.
no one is. but the chances of getting drunk and having a gun and causing a problem is very high.
ah, sorry.
But wouldn't you be in trouble if the person had a gun of thier own?
Depends. If someone's pointing a gun at me, I'm not about to reach for mine, if that's what you're asking.
I'm always freaked out about someone breaking into my place but I always thought that a gun wouldn't make me much safer. When I have my own house I'm going to get a bomb security system
Do you mean literal bombs? Because I'd advise against that. But hey, knock yourself out.
no one is. but the chances of getting drunk and having a gun and causing a problem is very high.
Actually, it's not. It's higher than if you weren't drunk, certainly. But everyday in this country drunken gun-toting idiots still manage to not shoot someone far more often than they do shoot someone.
Your logic here extends out to the absurd. Any situation wherein you have a higher risk of "causing a problem" could be judged illegal. Why not just ban the liquor?
Actually, it's not. It's higher than if you weren't drunk, certainly. But everyday in this country drunken gun-toting idiots still manage to not shoot someone far more often than they do shoot someone.
Your logic here extends out to the absurd. Any situation wherein you have a higher risk of "causing a problem" could be judged illegal. Why not just ban the liquor?
we tried to ban liquor. it didnt work.
lets see, my logic is simple. guns and being drunk dont mix. you wont convince me otherwise. so dont bother breaking down my sentences
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Playground? Bank? School? Hospital?
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Is there some fundamental change that happens to law abiding citizen when he enters a church or a bar?
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Drinking and guns don't mix. But the logic that everyone in a bar is drunk or even drinking also doesn't mix with reality. Furthermore, bars aren't the only place one can get a drink.
have you ever been to a bar? in reality, people drink there, and its no place to have a gun.
other then a restaurant with a permit to serve liquor. where else can you get a drink?
That's odd since I took a gun to a bar a few days ago. I didn't drink anything other than water. No one died. Guess I was lucky.
Church, as a matter of fact.
you make it sound like its the norm. what percentage of people were not drinking?
nice one. try again.
Not many, but certainly less than zero.
How about a grocery store? How about my office Christmas party?
ok im glad we cleared that up
you can not buy a drink at a grocery store. you can buy liquor, but not drink it.
once a year event. your really diggin deep my friend
a gun is designed to assist people killing people.
Yeah, I'm well aware. I am an avid shooter and reloader.
Nope. Just a lot of practice, good ammo, and good optics.
The same way I've seen bench-rest shooters who can put a 10 round group in a quarter size hole at 100yards yet miss a deer at 30yards. They are totally out of thier element. Most police officers simply qualify with thier weapon. There is no intense real world training for the majority of them.
Yes, we cleared up the fact that you're going to treat every gun-toting person in a bar as a drunken murderer, and you're going to be occassionally wrong about the former and almost always wrong about the latter.
Not true. I can buy some beer or wine here:
http://www.weaverstreetmarket.com/
and walk out the front door to the commons you'll see in the picture on the home page and get sloppy drunk. I think I might just do that tonight. And I'm sure you'll read about the bloody massacre in the papers, right?
What about all the other parties we have, or my friends have, or my families have? Can I take my gun tailgating at the UNC basketball game on Saturday? You're trying to pretend somehow that a bar is somehow unique because people can get together and drink there. It's not unique at all in that respect.
I'll ask you again: then why do you want your police to carry them?
I do. I also like to hear you talk. How's that relevant to gun control?
so they can protect us from people who commit crimes.
statisticly its more likely that they will take it from you and shoot you....
Just sayin'
Ok. Perhaps I'm missing something. If a gun's only purpose is killing, and killing is a crime, what are gun-toting cops who kill people protecting you from again?
Is killing ok when a cop is doing it? Is killing ok so long as you're not being killed? I'm trying to find out where the magic happens when my gun is transferred to the police in your confiscation scheme.
That would be impossible, unless they bring their own ammo. Go back a few pages.
drinking and driving doesn't mix either. do we ban cars? drunk drivers kill more people than guns. i'm with you FFG; but i'm trying to make a point. a drunk person with a gun is as deadly as a drunk person with a car; or even a knife. breaking it down; a drunk is less likely to hit someone with a gun while imparred. people take outside forces and add them to the gun issue to make their point.
ah, sorry.
But wouldn't you be in trouble if the person had a gun of thier own?
I'm always freaked out about someone breaking into my place but I always thought that a gun wouldn't make me much safer. When I have my own house I'm going to get a bomb security system
I dont have the time to explain how the world works but I'll try. police have the authority to kill those who poses a threat to themselves or others. they are trained, pledge an oath to serve and protect, and if and when they shoot someone, its always investigating to prove it was justified.
no, sometimes its necessary
when you stop assuming I want all guns banned is when we can have an adult conversation
I totally agree. I'm not advocating getting drunk and wielding a gun. I'm simply rejecting any scheme that labels a gun owner near liquor a drunken murderer.
no you ban someone from driving. just like I would want someone banned from having a gun who has committed a crime. get it?
no one is. but the chances of getting drunk and having a gun and causing a problem is very high.
Depends. If someone's pointing a gun at me, I'm not about to reach for mine, if that's what you're asking.
Do you mean literal bombs? Because I'd advise against that. But hey, knock yourself out.
Actually, it's not. It's higher than if you weren't drunk, certainly. But everyday in this country drunken gun-toting idiots still manage to not shoot someone far more often than they do shoot someone.
Your logic here extends out to the absurd. Any situation wherein you have a higher risk of "causing a problem" could be judged illegal. Why not just ban the liquor?
we tried to ban liquor. it didnt work.
lets see, my logic is simple. guns and being drunk dont mix. you wont convince me otherwise. so dont bother breaking down my sentences