no, it would not make it difficult. you don't want anyone to have guns, but you know that's impossible. so, don't make it, or wish for it to be, such that only criminals would have guns.
I never said I want a ban on ALL guns. I want a ban on assault guns such as machine guns.
I agree people should be allowed to have small arms for protection, and have very strict laws to obtain those guns.
The citizens can't hardly stand in front of their houses with their pistols, rifles and shotguns while the government rolls into town to enforce their tyranny with tanks, missiles and bombs now can they?
In other words, the right to bear SOME small arms is all we have left, but it's a moot point now.
Back in the day, the citizens could stand in front of their houses with their rifles and have a reasonable chance of defending them when the government comes to town with their rifles.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Concede what? That less guns means less gun crime? I certainly agree with that. Now, let me ask you something: how are you going to enforce your gun ban?
the same way drugs are enforced. arrest people who have them. make tough penalties for having them.
what kind of answer are you looking for? i'm sure you are aware how law enforcement works
The news doesn't report the gun owners that don't commit crimes.
A lot of gun crimes are not committed by hardened criminals but are 'opportunistic'. If they did not have a gun readily available, the outcome may have been different.
It certainly may have. If they didn't have arms, the outcomes may also have been different. Can I get you a saw?
My views fall all along the spectrum. I'm not just some right or left wing clone.
I know. I have agreed with you a couple of times before. But many of us (myself included) are guilty of pigeon-holing people. After all, we are screen-names, not personalities. And you tend to (at least per my observation) be more conservative.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
the same way drugs are enforced. arrest people who have them. make tough penalties for having them.
How will you arrest them?
what kind of answer are you looking for? i'm sure you are aware how law enforcement works
I am sure, that's why I'm struggling to understand your "gun ban".
why much to take it to such an extreme?
Because you said before that you were going to eliminate all the loopholes and any way to get around them. I don't think I'm the one who's taking it to an extreme.
Laws can be written and enforced for a very large portion of the public, criminals included, to not get a gun.
Laws can be written and enforced for a very large portion of the public, criminals included, to make it hard to get a gun. If you think that any law can prevent anyone who wishes to from getting a gun, you're fooling yourself. Particularly considering how many guns are already out there.
No we have different laws than you do. WE DONT WANT TO BE LIKE YOU.
Every country has different laws but just being a decent human being is universal. Perhaps I would rather live in this country where they are trying to combat violent crime in whatever way they can than live in a country with one of the highest rates of violent crime!
Because you said before that you were going to eliminate all the loopholes and any way to get around them. I don't think I'm the one who's taking it to an extreme.
Laws can be written and enforced for a very large portion of the public, criminals included, to make it hard to get a gun. If you think that any law can prevent anyone who wishes to from getting a gun, you're fooling yourself. Particularly considering how many guns are already out there.
Wow.. good comeback! Throw a saw at me from a moving vehicle and I'd be extremely unlucky if I get badly hurt, let alone die (like that kid that was shot for thowing eggs)....
I know. I have agreed with you a couple of times before. But many of us (myself included) are guilty of pigeon-holing people. After all, we are screen-names, not personalities. And you tend to (at least per my observation) be more conservative.
That's a fair assumption. I think I have more conservative views than liberal ones in general.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The news doesn't report the gun owners that don't commit crimes.
Nope.. and it doesn't report people who do not commit fraud. It doesn't report people who don't rape a child. It doesn't report.... I'm sure you get my drift.....
Wow.. good comeback! Throw a saw at me from a moving vehicle and I'd be extremely unlucky if I get badly hurt, let alone die (like that kid that was shot for thowing eggs)....
Once you cut off my arms (arms are used in 99.9% of violent crimes) with that saw, I won't be throwing anything at anyone.
Once you cut off my arms (arms are used in 99.9% of violent crimes) with that saw, I won't be throwing anything at anyone.
I'd have to run after your car once I've picked up the saw before I could do that. Then I would have to make sure you didn't just eat a hot curry because you could spit in my eye and blind me.
Nope.. and it doesn't report people who do not commit fraud. It doesn't report people who don't rape a child. It doesn't report.... I'm sure you get my drift.....
I do get your drift. Now, again, why do you think that "average" citizens are committing gun crimes and, citing as proof, news reports that are only reporting the actions of unaverage criminal citizens?
I'd have to run after your car once I've picked up the saw before I could do that. Then I would have to make sure you didn't just eat a hot curry because you could spit in my eye and blind me.
Yes -- your "to-ban" list is getting quite long. Perhaps forced lobotomies would simply take care of the entire problem.
I do get your drift. Now, again, why do you think that "average" citizens are committing gun crimes and, citing as proof, news reports that are only reporting the actions of unaverage criminal citizens?
It's those people who are perfectly 'normal' & 'average' when they purchase their guns.. no police record, no mental illness in the past, etc. They find themselves under pressure, stress, anger.. whatever.... They think what a lot of people may think "I'd kill the bastard if I could".. then.. Oh wait! I've got a gun... I'll use it! And act upon their impulse.
Again, no previous record.. no nothing. How many times have we heard of these things happening with family, neighbours, witnesses saying "He/she is such a nice person.. nobody would have thought.."
These people are the ones that I identify as 'average'. Non average would be your gangsters, etc...
There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.
Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
And how will those police officers take my gun, if I don't want to give it to them?
ok ready. I want a ban on some guns, not all.
Which guns do you not want to ban?
call it optimism. I'm not a law maker or lawyer.
Thank goodness. Otherwise, we might all be in some hot water.
ok hard(er) to get one. I'll take it.
Good. Now, why do you think making it hard to get a gun will prevent gun crime? It's harder now than ever to get a gun in this country, yet your violent crime rates are nearly triple what they were 50 years ago. Furthermore, attempts to limit the purchase of guns show little effect on violent crime. For every case where violent crime drops after the passage of such laws, there's another case where it goes up.
There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.
Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.
I'm not cool with banning ammo either, but at least this girl is thinking. Banning ammunition sales would make much more sense than banning guns, giving the goals of many here.
I'm not cool with banning ammo either, but at least this girl is thinking. Banning ammunition sales would make much more sense than banning guns, giving the goals of many here.
Apparently it is easy to make ammo. Would have to ban gunpowder and all!
There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.
Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.
again, I dont want a ban on all guns. some yes, the rest very hard to get.
There are over 200 million guns floating around the U.S. A quality firearm, well cared for, will be perfectly operational for hundreds of years. A collector can easily have tens, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in his or her collection ... they're not going to simply hand them over. Dream about it all you want, it's not going to happen.
Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.
Chris does a routine on charging $1000.00 per round.....no more drive by's...no more bystanders being hit......and a line...."You know Mo Fo that once I save up I'm gonna come back and shoot your a$$." Really quite funny....course on practicle side of things...amo can be easily made...so this wouldn't work......
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And......? Are you guys less capable of decent behaviour than in the UK?
tell me about it.
I am in good shape. I can run away from most people with a sword. But I can't run from a bullet.
No we have different laws than you do. WE DONT WANT TO BE LIKE YOU.
I am quite taken aback that non only do I agree with jlew, but know1!
I never said I want a ban on ALL guns. I want a ban on assault guns such as machine guns.
I agree people should be allowed to have small arms for protection, and have very strict laws to obtain those guns.
In other words, the right to bear SOME small arms is all we have left, but it's a moot point now.
Back in the day, the citizens could stand in front of their houses with their rifles and have a reasonable chance of defending them when the government comes to town with their rifles.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
My views fall all along the spectrum. I'm not just some right or left wing clone.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
the same way drugs are enforced. arrest people who have them. make tough penalties for having them.
what kind of answer are you looking for? i'm sure you are aware how law enforcement works
why much to take it to such an extreme? Laws can be written and enforced for a very large portion of the public, criminals included, to not get a gun.
The news doesn't report the gun owners that don't commit crimes.
It certainly may have. If they didn't have arms, the outcomes may also have been different. Can I get you a saw?
I know. I have agreed with you a couple of times before. But many of us (myself included) are guilty of pigeon-holing people. After all, we are screen-names, not personalities. And you tend to (at least per my observation) be more conservative.
How will you arrest them?
I am sure, that's why I'm struggling to understand your "gun ban".
Because you said before that you were going to eliminate all the loopholes and any way to get around them. I don't think I'm the one who's taking it to an extreme.
Laws can be written and enforced for a very large portion of the public, criminals included, to make it hard to get a gun. If you think that any law can prevent anyone who wishes to from getting a gun, you're fooling yourself. Particularly considering how many guns are already out there.
Every country has different laws but just being a decent human being is universal. Perhaps I would rather live in this country where they are trying to combat violent crime in whatever way they can than live in a country with one of the highest rates of violent crime!
police officers
ok ready. I want a ban on some guns, not all.
call it optimism. I'm not a law maker or lawyer.
ok hard(er) to get one. I'll take it.
Wow.. good comeback! Throw a saw at me from a moving vehicle and I'd be extremely unlucky if I get badly hurt, let alone die (like that kid that was shot for thowing eggs)....
That's a fair assumption. I think I have more conservative views than liberal ones in general.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
me too. group hug guys. no wait, I hate gays. j/k
Nope.. and it doesn't report people who do not commit fraud. It doesn't report people who don't rape a child. It doesn't report.... I'm sure you get my drift.....
Once you cut off my arms (arms are used in 99.9% of violent crimes) with that saw, I won't be throwing anything at anyone.
I'm not a guy.... and I'm not a lesbian... damn... I might be a bit liberal.. does that blow it for me?
I'd have to run after your car once I've picked up the saw before I could do that. Then I would have to make sure you didn't just eat a hot curry because you could spit in my eye and blind me.
I do get your drift. Now, again, why do you think that "average" citizens are committing gun crimes and, citing as proof, news reports that are only reporting the actions of unaverage criminal citizens?
Yes -- your "to-ban" list is getting quite long. Perhaps forced lobotomies would simply take care of the entire problem.
It's those people who are perfectly 'normal' & 'average' when they purchase their guns.. no police record, no mental illness in the past, etc. They find themselves under pressure, stress, anger.. whatever.... They think what a lot of people may think "I'd kill the bastard if I could".. then.. Oh wait! I've got a gun... I'll use it! And act upon their impulse.
Again, no previous record.. no nothing. How many times have we heard of these things happening with family, neighbours, witnesses saying "He/she is such a nice person.. nobody would have thought.."
These people are the ones that I identify as 'average'. Non average would be your gangsters, etc...
You know perfectly what I mean....
Maybe what we should be talking about is a ban on the sale of ammunition. That is at least vaguely realistic.
And how will those police officers take my gun, if I don't want to give it to them?
Which guns do you not want to ban?
Thank goodness. Otherwise, we might all be in some hot water.
Good. Now, why do you think making it hard to get a gun will prevent gun crime? It's harder now than ever to get a gun in this country, yet your violent crime rates are nearly triple what they were 50 years ago. Furthermore, attempts to limit the purchase of guns show little effect on violent crime. For every case where violent crime drops after the passage of such laws, there's another case where it goes up.
I'm not cool with banning ammo either, but at least this girl is thinking. Banning ammunition sales would make much more sense than banning guns, giving the goals of many here.
Apparently it is easy to make ammo. Would have to ban gunpowder and all!
again, I dont want a ban on all guns. some yes, the rest very hard to get.
boo hooo for the avid gun collector.
Chris does a routine on charging $1000.00 per round.....no more drive by's...no more bystanders being hit......and a line...."You know Mo Fo that once I save up I'm gonna come back and shoot your a$$." Really quite funny....course on practicle side of things...amo can be easily made...so this wouldn't work......