should the usa have one official language?

mammasan

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

dont say that or she will call you a raving anti -meixcan

First off I'm a he. Second Fanch has not said anything remotely negative about Central/South Americans. I call you that because all of you threads/posts here attempt to portray Central/South Americans, especially Mexicans, in a negative manner.

onelongsong

mammasan wrote:

I don't agree with affirmative action so I can't answer that question for you.

that did answer my question. thank you. i agree.

RavennaSeattle1911

mammasan wrote:

First off I'm a he. Second Fanch has not said anything remotely negative about Central/South Americans. I call you that because all of you threads/posts here attempt to portray Central/South Americans, especially Mexicans, in a negative manner.

well to tell you the truth i dont much want to travel to mexico unless it changed --costa rica i think id like ok and possibly puerto rico and spain i like

maybe i should leve a post about the dawn wilson case
i wonder if you hate anglos and so you look for hate in others to justify your hate?

so i ask: have you hated anglos?

do you think the minutemen are evil? of course 20% of them are hispanics too and blacks

mammasan

fanch75 wrote:

My time in south Florida has shown me otherwise.

That's easy to explain. If you live in a community that is predominant Polish, Russian, or Central/South American you will probably run into many small family owned business where employees don't necessarily speak english. Should they try harder to learn English, or course, but many times these people live in a community where their native tongue is widely spoken. I saw it a lot growing up in Newark, NJ. The area I grew up in was mostly Portuguese and there where plenty of little stores where the counter person didn't speak english because 99.9% of their clientel was Portuguese. That's what you have in South Florida. I still believe that these people should make the effort to learn the language simply because it will open up many opportunites for them.

soulsinging

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

well to tell you the truth i dont much want to travel to mexico unless it changed --costa rica i think id like ok and possibly puerto rico and spain i like

maybe i should leve a post about the dawn wilson case
i wonder if you hate anglos and so you look for hate in others to justify your hate?

so i ask: have you hated anglos?

do you think the minutemen are evil? of course 20% of them are hispanics too and blacks

i really wanna meet you someday. i dont know if it's just the way you write, but you seem crazy as a bedbug. you can't possibly be this incomprehensible in real life? your grasp of english seems pretty poor yourself... or maybe it's just an inability to formulate logical written argument.

mammasan

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

well to tell you the truth i dont much want to travel to mexico unless it changed --costa rica i think id like ok and possibly puerto rico and spain i like

maybe i should leve a post about the dawn wilson case
i wonder if you hate anglos and so you look for hate in others to justify your hate?

so i ask: have you hated anglos?

do you think the minutemen are evil? of course 20% of them are hispanics too and blacks

I don't judge people by the race, ethnicity, country or origin, or religion. The only anglo I don't like right now is my soon to be ex-wife because she is making my life a living hell, but that has nothing to do with her skin color. I have mixed feelings about the Minutemen but most of it has to do with over-sight. I like to look at people and embrace their diversity and see the good that their ethnicity, race, religion, etc... has to offer. I don't focus on the negative statistics of their race, ethnicity, religion, etc...

By the way i've been to Costa Rica twice. it's a beautifull country. I actually have a friend who lives there now and as soon as my hellish divorce is finalized I plan of taking a little sabatical there for a week or two.

Collin

mammasan wrote:

That's easy to explain. If you live in a community that is predominant Polish, Russian, or Central/South American you will probably run into many small family owned business where employees don't necessarily speak english. Should they try harder to learn English, or course, but many times these people live in a community where their native tongue is widely spoken. I saw it a lot growing up in Newark, NJ. The area I grew up in was mostly Portuguese and there where plenty of little stores where the counter person didn't speak english because 99.9% of their clientel was Portuguese. That's what you have in South Florida. I still believe that these people should make the effort to learn the language simply because it will open up many opportunites for them.

I think most of these people do in fact make the effort. But second language acquisition in a area where that language isn't the first language, often goes hand in hand with fossilisation in that second language i.e. they learn enough to get by. They are not stimulated by their enivorment to learn more. If they want to buy something in the grocery store a few words and the basics will do. These guys don't need to know how to make a complex sentence to get by, vocabulary will take them a long way.

mammasan

Collin wrote:

I think most of these people do in fact make the effort. But second language acquisition in a area where that language isn't the first language, often goes hand in hand with fossilisation in that second language i.e. they learn enough to get by. They are not stimulated by their enivorment to learn more. If they want to buy something in the grocery store a few words and the basics will do. These guys don't need to know how to make a complex sentence to get by, vocabulary will take them a long way.

I agree.

onelongsong

mammasan wrote:

That's easy to explain. If you live in a community that is predominant Polish, Russian, or Central/South American you will probably run into many small family owned business where employees don't necessarily speak english. Should they try harder to learn English, or course, but many times these people live in a community where their native tongue is widely spoken. I saw it a lot growing up in Newark, NJ. The area I grew up in was mostly Portuguese and there where plenty of little stores where the counter person didn't speak english because 99.9% of their clientel was Portuguese. That's what you have in South Florida. I still believe that these people should make the effort to learn the language simply because it will open up many opportunites for them.

i've found that in families where the parents speak english; no matter how broken or bad; the children speak english and learn it much better. in my family; the adults spoke polish only when they didn't want us to know what they're saying. after english was mastered; we then were taught polish.

fanch75

mammasan wrote:

The only anglo I don't like right now is my soon to be ex-wife because she is making my life a living hell, but that has nothing to do with her skin color.

By the way i've been to Costa Rica twice. it's a beautifull country. I actually have a friend who lives there now and as soon as my hellish divorce is finalized I plan of taking a little sabatical there for a week or two.

I'm tellin ya, dese whyte bytchez ain't shyt!

RavennaSeattle1911

mammasan wrote:

I don't judge people by the race, ethnicity, country or origin, or religion. The only anglo I don't like right now is my soon to be ex-wife because she is making my life a living hell, but that has nothing to do with her skin color. I have mixed feelings about the Minutemen but most of it has to do with over-sight. I like to look at people and embrace their diversity and see the good that their ethnicity, race, religion, etc... has to offer. I don't focus on the negative statistics of their race, ethnicity, religion, etc...

By the way i've been to Costa Rica twice. it's a beautifull country. I actually have a friend who lives there now and as soon as my hellish divorce is finalized I plan of taking a little sabatical there for a week or two.

so we have something in common after all

i want to learn spanish - i bought a course but its slow going ,also french
im supposed to be part indian so i can understand the past and how usa forced english on natives and i think its sick -they beat them- same as in canada

but i suppose id make english official,id let indians teach in all indian languages and supply the funds if wanted

as for spanish only funds for them holding green cards and here leaglly i guess

sponger

soulsinging wrote:

but you cannot stop an idea whose time has come (someone famous said that). it just takes long, patient effort. the annoying thing about liberals is they dont want to do that, they want things their way NOW.

Right....that's why republicans would rather build a billion dollar fence than work towards fixing the social problems that create the need for that fence. They just want things their way NOW.

What you're doing is confusing the differences between the time it takes for an idea to be convincing, and the time it takes for people to let go of their fear of change. Those two things are not the same. That's your lesson for today.

soulsinging

sponger wrote:

Right....that's why republicans would rather build a billion dollar fence than work towards fixing the social problems that create the need for that fence. They just want things their way NOW.

What you're doing is confusing the differences between the time it takes for an idea to be convincing, and the time it takes for people to let go of their fear of change. Those two things are not the same. That's your lesson for today.

im not a republican and i think that fence is the dumbest idea i've ever heard.

those two things happen simultaneously. as the idea become convincing, the people who fear it dwindle. this is the way the world works. you must be 18 or 19 or so to think with such naive ideology.

sponger

soulsinging wrote:

this is the way the world works. you must be 18 or 19 or so to think with such naive ideology

Correct...I'd be naive to think it isn't the way the world works. But, it is the way the world has worked, it is isn't impossible for that to change.

And, as you've said before, the observance of ethnic culture is dwindling at no real price to progress. So, again, you just succeed repeatedly at contradicting yourself.

soulsinging

sponger wrote:

Correct...I'd be naive to think it isn't the way the world works. But, it is the way the world has worked, it is isn't impossible for that to change.

And, as you've said before, the observance of ethnic culture is dwindling at no real price to progress. So, again, you just succeed repeatedly at contradicting yourself.

i meant you're naive to think somehow if we stop talking about ethniciy then prejudice and discrimination will disappear. they won't. we'll find ways around it. and ethnicity is only lessening in importance in america becos of the melting pot. there's this little country in iraq... they still take ethnicity pretty serious there. or the middle east. or france. you cannot eradicate something that is genetically ingrained.

sponger

soulsinging wrote:

i meant you're naive to think somehow if we stop talking about ethniciy then prejudice and discrimination will disappear. they won't. we'll find ways around it. and ethnicity is only lessening in importance in america becos of the melting pot. there's this little country in iraq... they still take ethnicity pretty serious there. or the middle east. or france. you cannot eradicate something that is genetically ingrained.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say discrmination would disappear. I said it's the first battle of an extended war, and one that is one of the more detrimental to people caught on the wrong side of it.

beachdweller

I say yes, and at the same time, to graduate jr high, you need at least one semester of a foreign language, and to graduate high school, you need at least two semesters of a foreign language.

If we keep things the way they are, then why spent money on english as a second language, lol ... this is just a joke!

soulsinging

sponger wrote:

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say discrmination would disappear. I said it's the first battle of an extended war, and one that is one of the more detrimental to people caught on the wrong side of it.

which is why we have title vii. dont worry, your job is safe.

RavennaSeattle1911

all those other countries and mexico have no stinkin fence(we dont need no stinkin fence!!) and yet pretty much enforce immigration laws

mexico has lots of billionares ,mexicans pay 17% tax i think
they pay less and get less

the rich rip off the poor ,but maybe they want to pay little tax

i dont know who to blame

maybe maximillian would have been a better emperor or maybe not

i dont like how foriegnors come here and have tons of kids at our expense while stupid american liberals have few if any and feel they owe them something

i could go on and on but id just be called racist

sponger

soulsinging wrote:

which is why we have title vii. dont worry, your job is safe.

Nearly impossible to prove in a court of law unless the discrimination is practically constant and practiced in front of witnesses. Any workplace discrimination lawyer will tell you this. This explains why you never answered my question about your work experience. U prolly don't have much.