nice justification. you ARE the kind of fratboy i always hated... the kind that raped my gf. the kind that thinks anything is acceptable if it gets you laid.
funny how a girl who gets drunk and pressured into sex is a slut. 2 frat brothers getting drunk and being videotaped are just victims. those poor, rich, white, fraternity boys.
WHOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA buddy.....
Don't be coming on here with your views if you can't handle other people's opinions as well. I'm sorry about what happened to your girlfriend, and I'm sure that must be tough to deal with - so I'll chalk up the comment about me being like a rapist to a lapse in judgement.
Don't be coming on here with your views if you can't handle other people's opinions as well. I'm sorry about what happened to your girlfriend, and I'm sure that must be tough to deal with - so I'll chalk up the comment about me being like a rapist to a lapse in judgement.
then explain to me how these guys were victims but it's a-ok for you to exploit drunk girls for sex... without labelling them sluts and saying they asked for it. why are her morals the only problem? shouldnt YOU have better morals than to take advantage of a girl who is intoxicated? is it too much to expect you to act like a gentleman?
you cannot say a girl who consents to drunk sex is just fine and these guys are victims. there is no logical distinction. they acted like jackasses and found out it wasnt so great in the morning.
These guys were complete fucking idiots, and I still don't see how they were exploited in any way. They either signed the releases and proceeded to act like stupid assholes, or they acted like stupid assholes and then signed the release. Either way, it's too fucking bad for them, they're getting exactly what they deserve. The racist, misogynist shit that came out of their mouths was pathetic. One of them went on a rant about how "White people have no power in America" and how "We should still have slavery in this country".
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
funny how a girl who gets drunk and pressured into sex.
Can we get rid of this antiquated notion that you can pressure someone into having sex. Unless physical force is threatened or used (at which point it is rape) it is mutually agreed to sex. I have to much respect for women to think that they get pressured into sex. They may have sex for different reasons than men, but they're not pressured.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
then explain to me how these guys were victims but it's a-ok for you to exploit drunk girls for sex... without labelling them sluts and saying they asked for it. why are her morals the only problem? shouldnt YOU have better morals than to take advantage of a girl who is intoxicated? is it too much to expect you to act like a gentleman?
you cannot say a girl who consents to drunk sex is just fine and these guys are victims. there is no logical distinction. they acted like jackasses and found out it wasnt so great in the morning.
none of it is okay...or justifiable....
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you should have used your college education to increase your reading comprehension because i said there is a disparity between the frat boy and the member of a fraternity. this difference has been "debated" her, at length before. i thought it was clearly obvious that i was making that distinction, and in my original post talked about "frat boys" as opposed to members of a fraternity. would you like to have the discussion about that disparity or now? or, is it understood?
Sorry I was too busy smashing beer cans into my face to attend reading comprehension.
They are not analogous. Lots of people do stupid stuff while drunk. Froam racist remarks to having sex with someone they normally wouldn't. As much as I wished these things didn't happen there's nothing wrong about it. But it is wrong to make money off it, or to think the consent for you to make money from it can be given by a drunk person.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Can we get rid of this antiquated notion that you can pressure someone into having sex. Unless physical force is threatened or used (at which point it is rape) it is mutually agreed to sex. I have to much respect for women to think that they get pressured into sex. They may have sex for different reasons than men, but they're not pressured.
man, come on, the fear of being raped is present when a girl is alone with a guy with whom she doesn't want to have sex and he keeps going on and on about it...sometimes, girls succumb to that and let it happen...it doesn't mean that they necessarily wanted it to happen. and there is definite pressure occurring.
but, this discussion is about how someone moronically gave up their rights by signing a release and only now that they are facing ridicule have realized that they were acting a fool and want their rights back.
You guys are rediculous hypocrits. Just becuase these guys are "frat guys" or sterotypically priveledged and unaplogetic - you have no sympathy.
Talk about ye who has not sinned throw the first stone...
I'm sure ya'll have NEVER said something about somebody else that you would not want repeated - much less in an fucking MOVIE!!!!!!
Sure, yeah - these frat fucks got what they deserved huh?????
You're right, I do have sympathy for a bunch of racist, sexist ballbags that are suing someone he revealed their fucked up beliefs to a cinema audience.
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if you want to get into the disparity of the frat boy and the member of a fraternity then we can...frat boys are worthless pieces of garbage...these guys went back to "THE HOUSE" and talked about how awesome they are. i have no sympathy for people like that. i have never said something about someone that i didn't tell that person. in this situation, THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO. it isn't a matter of context.
Right on. They are probably pre law or something and planned on sueing from the giddyup. Fuck 'em.
Sounds like they agreed to be filmed. Drunkeness doesn't excuse behavior.
"Sorry about driving while intoxicated, officer. i only did it because i'm drunk. Can i go home?"
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Can we get rid of this antiquated notion that you can pressure someone into having sex. Unless physical force is threatened or used (at which point it is rape) it is mutually agreed to sex. I have to much respect for women to think that they get pressured into sex. They may have sex for different reasons than men, but they're not pressured.
this has been clinically proven false. there has been a psychologically and medically measured "deer in the headlights" reaction in some women when it comes to men trying to force sex on them. they freeze. they fear the consequences of saying no. they think the guy is joking until it is too late. they think he might stop if she doesn't do anything. they simply dont know what to do. it's not so simple. it's like a state of shock. and i know several women who have been through and hearing their stories is gut-wrenching... the guilt, the shame, the second guessing. it's awful. and too many guys in college exploit it.
whether or not that is ok is not my point. my point is... if such behavior is ok, then why do these guys get off the hook here? how were these guys victims of exploitation and the underage drunk girl given her 6 free shots by a guy at a college party was perfectly capable of consent?
They are not analogous. Lots of people do stupid stuff while drunk. Froam racist remarks to having sex with someone they normally wouldn't. As much as I wished these things didn't happen there's nothing wrong about it. But it is wrong to make money off it, or to think the consent for you to make money from it can be given by a drunk person.
so every girl in the girls gone wild series can sue for money?
but, this discussion is about how someone moronically gave up their rights by signing a release and only now that they are facing ridicule have realized that they were acting a fool and want their rights back.
I think THAT is the key thing in all of this. It's not as though they woke up the next morning after filming and thought, "Oh shit, we acted like assholes, let's see if we can get out of this." No, they've had quite a while to think about it, and it was only after they discovered that most of America thinks they're assholes that they decided to sue.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
They are not analogous. Lots of people do stupid stuff while drunk. Froam racist remarks to having sex with someone they normally wouldn't. As much as I wished these things didn't happen there's nothing wrong about it. But it is wrong to make money off it, or to think the consent for you to make money from it can be given by a drunk person.
i see them as analogues...you don't and that's fine. i will never tell you that you can't think something different from me.
see, you're assuming that they were drunk when they signed the release because the lawsuit alleges that they were coerced into signing a release which was misrepresented to them while they were drunk.
let's go through this. frat boys, filmmakers, actor/comedian. these people have been dealing with extreme situations for quite awhile now. they know what it takes to get around the legalities of embarassing someone in a public forum such as cinema. these frat boys are banking on the evidence of their drunkenness captured on film to sway the finder of fact into adopting their version of the "truth". i do not believe that they would have allowed these people to sign a release while they lacked capacity to do so because they know that they are going to be served for some issue from this film. they, most certainly, covered their backs on this.
if they were smart, they would have had them sign a release to be filmed and then, later, had them sign a release to be on film after they had decided to include them in the film/dvd release.
this has been clinically proven false. there has been a psychologically and medically measured "deer in the headlights" reaction in some women when it comes to men trying to force sex on them. they freeze. they fear the consequences of saying no. they think the guy is joking until it is too late. they think he might stop if she doesn't do anything. they simply dont know what to do. it's not so simple. it's like a state of shock. and i know several women who have been through and hearing their stories is gut-wrenching... the guilt, the shame, the second guessing. it's awful. and too many guys in college exploit it.
whether or not that is ok is not my point. my point is... if such behavior is ok, then why do these guys get off the hook here? how were these guys victims of exploitation and the drunk girl NCfan takes advantage of after giving her 6 free shots at a party was perfectly capable of consent?
Right on. They are probably pre law or something and planned on sueing from the giddyup. Fuck 'em.
Sounds like they agreed to be filmed. Drunkeness doesn't excuse behavior.
"Sorry about driving while intoxicated, officer. i only did it because i'm drunk. Can i go home?"
right. intoxication cannot excuse behavior, it only can only mitigate behavior...they could say that they only acted that way because they were drunk and that they aren't really like that...you know, the mel gibson defense.
Ha, ha.. touche! That's pretty good. But seriously, no that is not rape. It might be morraly questionable, but so is being a freshman slut.
How is she being a 'slut'? It would be interesting to hear just exactly what the difference between the girl and the guy doing the act, why is she a slut?
I have had so many conversations with various women trying to convince them that guys are not the shitty stereotype idiots like you portray, but fuck does your stupidity make it difficult to argue my point.
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How is she being a 'slut'? It would be interesting to hear just exactly what the difference between the girl and the guy doing the act, why is she a slut?
I have had so many conversations with various women trying to convince them that guys are not the shitty stereotype idiots like you portray, but fuck does your stupidity make it difficult to argue my point.
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lol liberals are all abotu free sex and equality until it happens ina republican setting...i.e a frat
for those of you defending these guys, would you also defend them if they had been filmed raping a girl but were "humiliated" because it was in the borat movie?
i know the example is extreme, but they are blaming alcohol for their stupid behavior and thats a fucking cop out.
I don't feel like reading this whole thread but this argument right here is ridiculous. You can't compare making sexist comments to rape. I agree, that they have no case, and they knew what they were doing when they signed the agreement, and should have to deal with it. But your analogy is not good.
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WHOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA buddy.....
Don't be coming on here with your views if you can't handle other people's opinions as well. I'm sorry about what happened to your girlfriend, and I'm sure that must be tough to deal with - so I'll chalk up the comment about me being like a rapist to a lapse in judgement.
then explain to me how these guys were victims but it's a-ok for you to exploit drunk girls for sex... without labelling them sluts and saying they asked for it. why are her morals the only problem? shouldnt YOU have better morals than to take advantage of a girl who is intoxicated? is it too much to expect you to act like a gentleman?
you cannot say a girl who consents to drunk sex is just fine and these guys are victims. there is no logical distinction. they acted like jackasses and found out it wasnt so great in the morning.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
none of it is okay...or justifiable....
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
Sorry I was too busy smashing beer cans into my face to attend reading comprehension.
the situations are not parallel in their nature, but they are analagous in their execution...so the explanation for each should follow the same path.
from my window to yours
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
man, come on, the fear of being raped is present when a girl is alone with a guy with whom she doesn't want to have sex and he keeps going on and on about it...sometimes, girls succumb to that and let it happen...it doesn't mean that they necessarily wanted it to happen. and there is definite pressure occurring.
but, this discussion is about how someone moronically gave up their rights by signing a release and only now that they are facing ridicule have realized that they were acting a fool and want their rights back.
from my window to yours
You're right, I do have sympathy for a bunch of racist, sexist ballbags that are suing someone he revealed their fucked up beliefs to a cinema audience.
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Right on. They are probably pre law or something and planned on sueing from the giddyup. Fuck 'em.
Sounds like they agreed to be filmed. Drunkeness doesn't excuse behavior.
"Sorry about driving while intoxicated, officer. i only did it because i'm drunk. Can i go home?"
this has been clinically proven false. there has been a psychologically and medically measured "deer in the headlights" reaction in some women when it comes to men trying to force sex on them. they freeze. they fear the consequences of saying no. they think the guy is joking until it is too late. they think he might stop if she doesn't do anything. they simply dont know what to do. it's not so simple. it's like a state of shock. and i know several women who have been through and hearing their stories is gut-wrenching... the guilt, the shame, the second guessing. it's awful. and too many guys in college exploit it.
whether or not that is ok is not my point. my point is... if such behavior is ok, then why do these guys get off the hook here? how were these guys victims of exploitation and the underage drunk girl given her 6 free shots by a guy at a college party was perfectly capable of consent?
so every girl in the girls gone wild series can sue for money?
i see them as analogues...you don't and that's fine. i will never tell you that you can't think something different from me.
see, you're assuming that they were drunk when they signed the release because the lawsuit alleges that they were coerced into signing a release which was misrepresented to them while they were drunk.
let's go through this. frat boys, filmmakers, actor/comedian. these people have been dealing with extreme situations for quite awhile now. they know what it takes to get around the legalities of embarassing someone in a public forum such as cinema. these frat boys are banking on the evidence of their drunkenness captured on film to sway the finder of fact into adopting their version of the "truth". i do not believe that they would have allowed these people to sign a release while they lacked capacity to do so because they know that they are going to be served for some issue from this film. they, most certainly, covered their backs on this.
if they were smart, they would have had them sign a release to be filmed and then, later, had them sign a release to be on film after they had decided to include them in the film/dvd release.
from my window to yours
Check your PM
right. intoxication cannot excuse behavior, it only can only mitigate behavior...they could say that they only acted that way because they were drunk and that they aren't really like that...you know, the mel gibson defense.
from my window to yours
done. let's make peace then eh? and ill remove your name from my example but still ask you to explain the distinction to me
" they were frat boys"
"Racist sexist frat boys"
How is she being a 'slut'? It would be interesting to hear just exactly what the difference between the girl and the guy doing the act, why is she a slut?
I have had so many conversations with various women trying to convince them that guys are not the shitty stereotype idiots like you portray, but fuck does your stupidity make it difficult to argue my point.
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lol liberals are all abotu free sex and equality until it happens ina republican setting...i.e a frat
Don't mix things up, all for free sex as long as it happen in a consentent setting.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Fraternities are fucking stupid. Sorry.
lol so all frat brother rape girls to get laid?
I don't feel like reading this whole thread but this argument right here is ridiculous. You can't compare making sexist comments to rape. I agree, that they have no case, and they knew what they were doing when they signed the agreement, and should have to deal with it. But your analogy is not good.
huh?!?! where do you get these thoughts?
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