europe - grim prospect ahead?

know1

danmac wrote:

Science no more right than the bible?

No - it's not. And you can't unconditionally prove that it is. Therefore, we're all in the same boat with regard to faith.

IndianSummer

another classic thread piracy.

this is about europe's problems or unemployment, lack of manpower, emmigration, demographic suicide, pension bomb etc.

my2hands

surferdude wrote:

I think the truly strong admit to their weaknesses but don't point out others.

As I tell my son that he can't make himself bigger by making someone else smaller. He can only make him seem bigger by making someone else bigger. But in the end he can only be who he is and that it's up to hm if he lives up to that potential. And we allhave the potential to be more amazing than we imagine.

my intent was not to point at one individual and judge them, point out individaul weakness, or put them down...

i completely agree with you, and i have spent most of my life sticking up for the little guy

so should i not share my opinions with grown adults because their feelings may get hurt? simply because i do not agree with them?

God and religion are a security blanket, IMO, plain and simple... that does not mean you are inferior or that i am better or smarter than you


i can admit that i am flawed, imperfect, and usually wrong... i just wish some others would try and join me

Collin

know1 wrote:

No - it's not. And you can't unconditionally prove that it is. Therefore, we're all in the same boat with regard to faith.

Again, the bible is a theory that doesn't hold under the information and conditions we know today... As I said, you can boil water and you know exactly when it will boil. 1+1=3 etc.
You can't do that with anything from the bible... that is why science is more right than the bible.

danmac

know1 wrote:

No - it's not. And you can't unconditionally prove that it is. Therefore, we're all in the same boat with regard to faith.

Err, no.

The day Im in the same boat as you is the day I take a swim.

Do you deny the world is round?
Do you deny the earth is not the centre of the cosmos, as was preofessed until the middle ages.
Do you believe that light and colour comes from god, and not the sun?

If so, then you are 600 years late.

Heres a quick list of what science has done, for you, in a language you wil understand.

Your car, your heating, your electricity, your light, your internet, your aeroplanes, your microwave ovens, your pen, your paper, most of your food now, on and on and on. If something has been invented, its because of science, because of people applying scientific principles to a problem and creating a solution, based on a theory, a hypothesis, that they believe will lead them to a solution to that problem.

You really are lost. Taken your meds today?

IndianSummer

hey why dont u start ur own god vs evolution vs pamela anderson thread??

leave this one alone.

soulsinging

my2hands wrote:

i can admit that i am flawed, imperfect, and usually wrong... i just wish some others would try and join me

i can and have. in fact, i used to think exactly as you profess about religion right now. i realized and admitted that i was very wrong about that mindset.

if we want to talk about europe's troubles... i fail to see how this dip in population can be said to be the fault of a lack of religion. as others have pointed out, the problem is simply that 1) single incomes aren't what they used to be and it's tough to raise a with only one parent working one job and 2) as women enter the workforce more and in higher positions of power and spend so much time pursuing an education, they aren't as willing to sacrifice their careers to pump out babies.

as i said previously, i fail to see how this is a problem. as has been stated, outsource jobs or import workers. so the ethnic makeup of europe might change... who really cares?

danmac

IndianSummer wrote:

another classic thread piracy.

this is about europe's problems or unemployment, lack of manpower, emmigration, demographic suicide, pension bomb etc.

So why did you post a report written by a right wing neo-christian?

Why did you explicitly link God to european social problems?

Because you believed in what the report said. yOu think that lack of faith is the source of the worlds ills, and wil be AMericas if you dont believe in the power of your God.

Sorry to call you out on this, but maybe youll learn a valuable lesson and restructure your posts to suit your opinions, not the other way around when called on it.

know1

danmac wrote:

Err, no.

The day Im in the same boat as you is the day I take a swim.

Do you deny the world is round?
Do you deny the earth is not the centre of the cosmos, as was preofessed until the middle ages.
Do you believe that light and colour comes from god, and not the sun?

If so, then you are 600 years late.

Heres a quick list of what science has done, for you, in a language you wil understand.

Your car, your heating, your electricity, your light, your internet, your aeroplanes, your microwave ovens, your pen, your paper, most of your food now, on and on and on. If something has been invented, its because of science, because of people applying scientific principles to a problem and creating a solution, based on a theory, a hypothesis, that they believe will lead them to a solution to that problem.

You really are lost. Taken your meds today?

As I said before, you have a closed mind.

Humans may call the earth round, but it's a concept that they invented themselves.

I believe that color and light come from the sun as directed by God.

I do not deny that science has resulted in many helpful tools. Surely you can see the difference between INVENTION and PROVEN. I just deny that it has proven anything.

Open your mind and you may see that as well.

Collin

know1 wrote:

I do not deny that science has resulted in many helpful tools. Surely you can see the difference between INVENTION and PROVEN. I just deny that it has proven anything.

You can test science. take the water boiling example, again, you can do it a million times... guess what, water boils at 100 degrees celsius.
You can test the bible but you will never find an answer, that why it's faith.

know1

Collin wrote:

You can test science. take the water boiling example, again, you can do it a million times... guess what, water boils at 100 degrees celsius.
You can test the bible but you will never find an answer, that why it's faith.

I'm not denying that you can test science. I'm denying that you can PROVE it.

Ever think about how people not only invented the concept of boiling but also the temperature measurement by which it is gauged? Any coincidence there?

Furthermore, as I've said before, just because it boils at that temperature today is no guarantee that it will boil there tomorrow. Therefore, it has not been unconditionally proven.

Collin

know1 wrote:

I'm not denying that you can test science. I'm denying that you can PROVE it.

Ever think about how people not only invented the concept of boiling but also the temperature measurement by which it is gauged? Any coincidence there?

Furthermore, as I've said before, just because it boils at that temperature today is no guarantee that it will boil there tomorrow. Therefore, it has not been unconditionally proven.

The temperature measurement by which it is gauged isn't relevant.

It has, indeed, not been unconditionally proven. But that's not really my point. My point is, I can test it today and you will agree, water boils at 100 degrees celsius. You can test something from the bible today... and nothing, you'll find nothing.

So, I'd say the bible is less acurate than science, because science can prove something (although not unconditionally). The bible can't prove anything.

danmac

know1 wrote:

As I said before, you have a closed mind.

Humans may call the earth round, but it's a concept that they invented themselves.

I believe that color and light come from the sun as directed by God.

I do not deny that science has resulted in many helpful tools. Surely you can see the difference between INVENTION and PROVEN. I just deny that it has proven anything.

Open your mind and you may see that as well.

A concept that the earth is round? You really are in a world of hurt my friend.

For further tests on your sanity, answer me these simple questions.

Do you think the earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago, as specified in your holy book?

Do you think the earth is the centre of the cosmos, as your good book says, as Rome taught for 1600 years?

Do you think that humans are the spawn of Adam and Eve, as your book says?

Did the magician known as jesus turn water into wine, feed the 5000, walk on water? If so, can you prove any of the above?

know1

Collin wrote:

You can test something from the bible today... and nothing, you'll find nothing.

Methinks that statement is too absolute to be backed up...

IndianSummer

danmac wrote:

So why did you post a report written by a right wing neo-christian?

Why did you explicitly link God to european social problems?

Because you believed in what the report said. yOu think that lack of faith is the source of the worlds ills, and wil be AMericas if you dont believe in the power of your God.

Sorry to call you out on this, but maybe youll learn a valuable lesson and restructure your posts to suit your opinions, not the other way around when called on it.

god damn it i didnt write andf couldnt give a rats ass if europes takes to the bible or to porn.

i wanted to know about their problems and how they could tackle them. i have a good mind to edit the religious bits of the original post and leave you guys hanging in the air.

surferdude

IndianSummer wrote:

god damn it i didnt write andf couldnt give a rats ass if europes takes to the bible or to porn.

i wanted to know about their problems and how they could tackle them. i have a good mind to edit the religious bits of the original post and leave you guys hanging in the air.

I think Europe's big problem isn't the change but their reluctance to adapt to the change. Fighting change is futile.

cincybearcat

my2hands wrote:

i have never claimed to be "better" than anyone... and i certainly never said i "hated" any bible beaters?... and i have never claimed to be "smarter" than anyone or anything so please stop putting words in my mouth. Thank You

i said that a belief in a "higher being" or "God" is a weakness... i also admitted to have many weaknesses myself... i am capable of self-reflection

this is why religion is a subject i do not discuss, because people over-react

You don't discuss religion, you only use it as a means to belittle people that do not believe the same as you.

Personally, the only people in the whole religion debate that I really can;t stand are the in-your-face religious people and the in-your-face atheists.

IndianSummer

well i edited the OP.

now you can continue debating about god and bible and evolution in a thread that wanted to discuss how europe is going to tackle the problem of too much humping and too less reproducing. why am i chuckling?

danmac

IndianSummer wrote:

well i edited the OP.

now you can continue debating about god and bible and evolution in a thread that wanted to discuss how europe is going to tackle the problem of too much humping and too less reproducing. why am i chuckling?

You are chuckling because you ran away, took the cowards way out.
You made a staement by posting that report, you retract once caught out. You believe in nothing, and cannot defend anything you say. YOu have lost all credibility.

And you do care about faith and god, or you wouldnt have posted it, would not have been surfing the right wing bible web site you found the report on.

You have zero backbone.

IndianSummer

danmac wrote:

You are chuckling because you ran away, took the cowards way out.
You made a staement by posting that report, you retract once caught out. You believe in nothing, and cannot defend anything you say. YOu have lost all credibility.

And you do care about faith and god, or you wouldnt have posted it, would not have been surfing the right wing bible web site you found the report on.

You have zero backbone.

not a zero iq tho. did u pass college?

i dont keep going round in circles about unprovable things like god , that to in a thread about demographic and economic problems.