Is this new? I remember reading another thing like this in the past couple months. I think the airlines should pay the consequences. She did nothing wrong.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
I already took that personal responsibility earlier in the thread. I was just having fun here talking about milk jugs....baby wanna milkshake....shake that milk maker!!!!!!!!!!!
did i not put enough emocons in my response?
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
BUt when we have to see an innocent baby going to town on some funbags...it makes us feel creepy for the way we are made to feel about hooters.
both funny and probably true... those things are sexy, they're not supposed to be fnctional. it's like the fact that i am firmly convinced women do not use the bathroom, ever. those areas are not meant for such activities!
Maybe I need to stop watching those trashy teen movies--you know the type where the guy has the fantasy about the "hot" girl, and it's a reworked scene out of a porno movie, essentially.
I'm never quite sure what men are thinking. I've heard numerous guys claim they love the reality of women. Many of the women I know don't buy it. As they (okay "we" ) continue to buy the products craftily marketed towards our feelings of inadequacy.
id say so. most guys i know dont much care for that super put together look. it screams "fake" and high maintenance. i know ive never gone for it and most of my guy friends are the same way. in fact, i find super models more creepy than anything else. they give me the creeps.
id say so. most guys i know dont much care for that super put together look. it screams "fake" and high maintenance. i know ive never gone for it and most of my guy friends are the same way. in fact, i find super models more creepy than anything else. they give me the creeps.
Yeah, and I'd suspect it's a tad bit of a turn off when the woman is frighteningly hyper-self-conscious of her image and with being seen from her "best angles" at every waking minute. It would kinda show she's not paying much attention to you, or getting caught up in passion.
That's why we high maintenance types need to get so drunk in order to enjoy ourselves. Just kidding! (maybe )
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yeah, and I'd suspect it's a tad bit of a turn off when the woman is frighteningly hyper-self-conscious of her image and with being seen from her "best angles" at every waking minute. It would kinda show she's not paying much attention to you, or getting caught up in passion.
That's why we high maintenance types need to get so drunk in order to enjoy ourselves. Just kidding! (maybe )
Speaking of this...and the fact that women just love to talk bad about other women and judge them in all aspects of their lives...
Who here thinks the flight attendant was a woman...and she had the lady kciked off the flight because she was jealous of her perfectly round, firm, supple breasts?
I see where you are coming from and agree that a mother must do whatever action is necessary to protect their child. However wasn't the blanket a solution? She was not asked to stop breast feeding, but rather to cover up.
If you and I are at cross purposes-- say we adamantly disagree on an issue, let's say you come up with what you see as a solution. If that "solution" is unacceptable to me then it's not a solution. Solutions solve problems. When the problem continues and one party is not satisfied with an outcome the problem is not solved.
The basis of negotiation is that each person's base position is accepted. And concessions are made voluntarily. One cannot impose a solution on another because if it is opposed, it is not a solution but rather an imaginary solution.
In this case it sounds like you think that because to you the blanket would be a valid solution, then you expect that to work across the board, irregardless of the other person's obvious non-acceptance of it as a solution.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Speaking of this...and the fact that women just love to talk bad about other women and judge them in all aspects of their lives...
i think that's largely a myth that just pits women against each other. sure it must happen sometimes as some people are just prone to talking bad and judging anyone, but it's certainly not a fact that 'women' are that way.
so i guess my answer is 'not me'.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Speaking of this...and the fact that women just love to talk bad about other women and judge them in all aspects of their lives...
Ouch! As for me, I was personally speaking from my own experiences whereupon the higher my standards for my own appearance, the higher my own sense of inadequacy, and therefore my self-centered fixation and susequent seemingly necessary alcohol abuse.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Ouch! As for me, I was personally speaking from my own experiences whereupon the higher my standards for my own appearance, the higher my own sense of inadequacy, and therefore my self-centered fixation and susequent seemingly necessary alcohol abuse.
I know...but I have seen this many times...I personally don't think it's a myth at all...
I know...but I have seen this many times...I personally don't think it's a myth at all...
I agree. I've experienced the cutting cattiness of many women in my day. During some of my most prominant female problems in my life, I've been abandoned by some key female support, due to judgment.
I've also been sold out by women who were more interested in pandering to male opinion --for example there was a date rape I experienced where after I was abandoned by my closest support person because of her prejudice, believing that I must have "wanted it" because of my weak acceptance of the situation (I was in shock). The crazy part was that the guy actually phoned her the next day and explained the situation was not my fault, because he was owning what he did, and yet my closest support person chose to blame me.
Nauseatingly, I must admit the numerous times I have also judged others harshly.
And at the same time, there are many women I've known who I have experienced differently. The circles one runs in, including the awareness of the women in such circles can make a big difference.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If you and I are at cross purposes-- say we adamantly disagree on an issue, let's say you come up with what you see as a solution. If that "solution" is unacceptable to me then it's not a solution. Solutions solve problems. When the problem continues and one party is not satisfied with an outcome the problem is not solved.
The basis of negotiation is that each person's base position is accepted. And concessions are made voluntarily. One cannot impose a solution on another because if it is opposed, it is not a solution but rather an imaginary solution.
In this case it sounds like you think that because to you the blanket would be a valid solution, then you expect that to work across the board, irregardless of the other person's obvious non-acceptance of it as a solution.
Again I see your point, even if one should never use the word "irregardless". But as I stated in an earlier post could it possibly be the fault of both sides? We are only hearing one side of the story. I would venture to guess that the flight attendant was displaying their typical arrogance (wanted to add both male and female flight attendants are included in this description) but without hearing his/her side of the story we are not sure what exactly occured and I would be basing my conclusions on a stereotype. Therefore, I feel that the offering of a solution (the blanket) was a start and I highly doubt that the dialogue went like this (though I could be wrong):
Flight Attendant:"Ma'am would you mind placing this towel over your chest while you breast feed?"
Passenger: "No"
(Flight Attendant walks away momentarily)
Flight Attendant: "Ma'am you have to leave the plane now"
Passenger: "O.K."
End Scene
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
i think that's largely a myth that just pits women against each other. sure it must happen sometimes as some people are just prone to talking bad and judging anyone, but it's certainly not a fact that 'women' are that way.
so i guess my answer is 'not me'.
...my experience has been that when man and woman walk into a crowded room (party, restaurant)...the men look at the woman and the women look at the woman.
...my experience has been that when man and woman walk into a crowded room (party, restaurant)...the men look at the woman and the women look at the woman.
Thank God for the men. We can be some ugly bastards!
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Again I see your point, even if one should never use the word "irregardless". But as I stated in an earlier post could it possibly be the fault of both sides? We are only hearing one side of the story. I would venture to guess that the flight attendant was displaying their typical arrogance (wanted to add both male and female flight attendants are included in this description) but without hearing his/her side of the story we are not sure what exactly occured and I would be basing my conclusions on a stereotype. Therefore, I feel that the offering of a solution (the blanket) was a start and I highly doubt that the dialogue went like this (though I could be wrong):
Flight Attendant:"Ma'am would you mind placing this towel over your chest while you breast feed?"
Passenger: "No"
(Flight Attendant walks away momentarily)
Flight Attendant: "Ma'am you have to leave the plane now"
Passenger: "O.K."
End Scene
"Irregardless" of how you feel. (-: Its western society's fault.....there is no logical reason a woman shouldn't be able to openly, with no cover, breast feed her child. That's the problem...the only problem. The only solution is for us to just admit there's nothing nasty/evil/discusting/immoral about the human body....Jeese (Pun intended). Hell (pun intended) there are beaches in the world that women can openly go topless....oh my god!!!!
"Irregardless" of how you feel. (-: Its western society's fault.....there is no logical reason a woman shouldn't be able to openly, with no cover, breast feed her child. That's the problem...the only problem. The only solution is for us to just admit there's nothing nasty/evil/discusting/immoral about the human body....Jeese (Pun intended). Hell (pun intended) there are beaches in the world that women can openly go topless....oh my god!!!!
For the record, I'm fine with whatever legal actions are required to keep a little one quiet at all times (movie theatre,planes, restaurants. etc.) I say legal so you don't think I condone beating or shaking a child quiet. And by quiet I mean not screaming their lungs out from takeoff until landing (although childless, I do realize that children will cry out when they want something and I do not expect for them to remain quiet altogether). Hell if I was going to complain about babies staying reasonably quiet on a plane I would bypass them and go straight for the 80 something year old who can't get over the fact that they have replaced the honey roasted peanuts with raisins. I am all for changing societal views, but until that day happens I am just looking at this on a case by case basis. There is nothing nasty/evil/disgusting/immoral about the human body (well testicles aside) but until a majority of this country (um, red states) are less prudish then this "problem" will continue to occur. BTW what's "Jeese" is that a Reeses Peanut Butter cups long distance cousin???
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Again I see your point, even if one should never use the word "irregardless". But as I stated in an earlier post could it possibly be the fault of both sides? We are only hearing one side of the story. I would venture to guess that the flight attendant was displaying their typical arrogance (wanted to add both male and female flight attendants are included in this description) but without hearing his/her side of the story we are not sure what exactly occured and I would be basing my conclusions on a stereotype. Therefore, I feel that the offering of a solution (the blanket) was a start and I highly doubt that the dialogue went like this (though I could be wrong):
Flight Attendant:"Ma'am would you mind placing this towel over your chest while you breast feed?"
Passenger: "No"
(Flight Attendant walks away momentarily)
Flight Attendant: "Ma'am you have to leave the plane now"
Passenger: "O.K."
End Scene
I have no desire to find fault or blame here. I see numerous people involved in a problem. I see that a satisfactory solution was not found for one person who seems to feel a satisfactory outcome for her and her child was sacrificed. As I say, I support said person seeking resolution for herself via the proper channels.
To me it's a moot point to add in my guesses and value/moral judgments considering the limited information we have on the situation. I'm not opposed to others doing so, however, value judgments are not the same as reasoned, logical discernment.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What's weird is that seeing breasts in a sexual context is okay, but seeing them in the context for which they were made is not okay. If you look around you, sex and breasts are used to sell most things and you see them in sexual contexts in movies, on tv, (think about how much more 'normal' it is to see breasts than a penis on tv and in a movie) etc.
It really pisses me off when people get all worked up over breastfeeding. It's so amazingly stupid.
I agree.
It is natural for a mother to breast feed her child and if it is in public so be it. As long as it is discreate and she is no leaving her breast exposed, who cares?
People need to lighten up.
Plus, breast feeding is shown to have many health benifits.
ok I have been involved with a breastfeeding charity for nrly 5 years and i'm a BF councilor and run 2 meeting a month for BF mothers.
the subject of feeding in public offten comes up and i have not yet known or heard of 1 mother who feeds in public and wishes to show her breast ! all the women i have spoken with do cover up in their own way and are very disgrate or try to avoid BF in public (which can be impossable ! )
now as i'm reading the event ppl on the plan are sitting the mother is next to the window and her man is next to her in the aile seat. SO i think the attendent as she was standing would be the only person awear of the breastfeeding and i feel it would be part of her job to accept what she saw as it wasnt upsetting other ppl , its fine that she offered a blanket but it is fine that it was not taken. and its sad that another woman could be upset by witnessing this.
I think our sociatys need to do a huge rethink on Breasts ! as has been said on here before why is it ok to have topless women on newspaper stands and all these hidious "mens magazines" like Nuts ! with boobs on the front every week but not ok for a baby to be having the food it needs to help their brain to grow and their face musles develop fully so they can talk , see, hear , smell, walk properly and for the mother and child to have that eye contact and bonding for their first teachings of communication and love.
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There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
ok I have been involved with a breastfeeding charity for nrly 5 years and i'm a BF councilor and run 2 meeting a month for BF mothers.
the subject of feeding in public offten comes up and i have not yet known or heard of 1 mother who feeds in public and wishes to show her breast ! all the women i have spoken with do cover up in their own way and are very disgrate or try to avoid BF in public (which can be impossable ! )
now as i'm reading the event ppl on the plan are sitting the mother is next to the window and her man is next to her in the aile seat. SO i think the attendent as she was standing would be the only person awear of the breastfeeding and i feel it would be part of her job to accept what she saw as it wasnt upsetting other ppl , its fine that she offered a blanket but it is fine that it was not taken. and its sad that another woman could be upset by witnessing this.
I think our sociatys need to do a huge rethink on Breasts ! as has been said on here before why is it ok to have topless women on newspaper stands and all these hidious "mens magazines" like Nuts ! with boobs on the front every week but not ok for a baby to be having the food it needs to help their brain to grow and their face musles develop fully so they can talk , see, hear , smell, walk properly and for the mother and child to have that eye contact and bonding for their first teachings of communication and love.
i think that's largely a myth that just pits women against each other. sure it must happen sometimes as some people are just prone to talking bad and judging anyone, but it's certainly not a fact that 'women' are that way.
so i guess my answer is 'not me'.
have you read the book 'slut'? i cant remember the author. it's a very interesting argument that women do more to contain and restrict the sexuality of women than men do.
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The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
did i not put enough emocons in my response?
cross the river to the eastside
And I wish I was smart enough to understand you.
I guess it shows that we need to re-educate the public what breasts are really for, huh?
Nope, I messed up and thought someone else had responded to me..not you...Sorry Milklady.
both funny and probably true... those things are sexy, they're not supposed to be fnctional. it's like the fact that i am firmly convinced women do not use the bathroom, ever. those areas are not meant for such activities!
id say so. most guys i know dont much care for that super put together look. it screams "fake" and high maintenance. i know ive never gone for it and most of my guy friends are the same way. in fact, i find super models more creepy than anything else. they give me the creeps.
hey don't push it
cross the river to the eastside
Yeah, and I'd suspect it's a tad bit of a turn off when the woman is frighteningly hyper-self-conscious of her image and with being seen from her "best angles" at every waking minute. It would kinda show she's not paying much attention to you, or getting caught up in passion.
That's why we high maintenance types need to get so drunk in order to enjoy ourselves. Just kidding! (maybe
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Speaking of this...and the fact that women just love to talk bad about other women and judge them in all aspects of their lives...
Who here thinks the flight attendant was a woman...and she had the lady kciked off the flight because she was jealous of her perfectly round, firm, supple breasts?
If you and I are at cross purposes-- say we adamantly disagree on an issue, let's say you come up with what you see as a solution. If that "solution" is unacceptable to me then it's not a solution. Solutions solve problems. When the problem continues and one party is not satisfied with an outcome the problem is not solved.
The basis of negotiation is that each person's base position is accepted. And concessions are made voluntarily. One cannot impose a solution on another because if it is opposed, it is not a solution but rather an imaginary solution.
In this case it sounds like you think that because to you the blanket would be a valid solution, then you expect that to work across the board, irregardless of the other person's obvious non-acceptance of it as a solution.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i think that's largely a myth that just pits women against each other. sure it must happen sometimes as some people are just prone to talking bad and judging anyone, but it's certainly not a fact that 'women' are that way.
so i guess my answer is 'not me'.
cross the river to the eastside
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I know...but I have seen this many times...I personally don't think it's a myth at all...
maybe you run with the wrong crowd?
cross the river to the eastside
I agree. I've experienced the cutting cattiness of many women in my day. During some of my most prominant female problems in my life, I've been abandoned by some key female support, due to judgment.
I've also been sold out by women who were more interested in pandering to male opinion --for example there was a date rape I experienced where after I was abandoned by my closest support person because of her prejudice, believing that I must have "wanted it" because of my weak acceptance of the situation (I was in shock). The crazy part was that the guy actually phoned her the next day and explained the situation was not my fault, because he was owning what he did, and yet my closest support person chose to blame me.
Nauseatingly, I must admit the numerous times I have also judged others harshly.
And at the same time, there are many women I've known who I have experienced differently. The circles one runs in, including the awareness of the women in such circles can make a big difference.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Again I see your point, even if one should never use the word "irregardless". But as I stated in an earlier post could it possibly be the fault of both sides? We are only hearing one side of the story. I would venture to guess that the flight attendant was displaying their typical arrogance (wanted to add both male and female flight attendants are included in this description) but without hearing his/her side of the story we are not sure what exactly occured and I would be basing my conclusions on a stereotype. Therefore, I feel that the offering of a solution (the blanket) was a start and I highly doubt that the dialogue went like this (though I could be wrong):
Flight Attendant:"Ma'am would you mind placing this towel over your chest while you breast feed?"
Passenger: "No"
(Flight Attendant walks away momentarily)
Flight Attendant: "Ma'am you have to leave the plane now"
Passenger: "O.K."
End Scene
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
...my experience has been that when man and woman walk into a crowded room (party, restaurant)...the men look at the woman and the women look at the woman.
Thank God for the men. We can be some ugly bastards!
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
"Irregardless" of how you feel. (-: Its western society's fault.....there is no logical reason a woman shouldn't be able to openly, with no cover, breast feed her child. That's the problem...the only problem. The only solution is for us to just admit there's nothing nasty/evil/discusting/immoral about the human body....Jeese (Pun intended). Hell (pun intended) there are beaches in the world that women can openly go topless....oh my god!!!!
For the record, I'm fine with whatever legal actions are required to keep a little one quiet at all times (movie theatre,planes, restaurants. etc.) I say legal so you don't think I condone beating or shaking a child quiet. And by quiet I mean not screaming their lungs out from takeoff until landing (although childless, I do realize that children will cry out when they want something and I do not expect for them to remain quiet altogether). Hell if I was going to complain about babies staying reasonably quiet on a plane I would bypass them and go straight for the 80 something year old who can't get over the fact that they have replaced the honey roasted peanuts with raisins. I am all for changing societal views, but until that day happens I am just looking at this on a case by case basis. There is nothing nasty/evil/disgusting/immoral about the human body (well testicles aside) but until a majority of this country (um, red states) are less prudish then this "problem" will continue to occur. BTW what's "Jeese" is that a Reeses Peanut Butter cups long distance cousin???
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
I have no desire to find fault or blame here. I see numerous people involved in a problem. I see that a satisfactory solution was not found for one person who seems to feel a satisfactory outcome for her and her child was sacrificed. As I say, I support said person seeking resolution for herself via the proper channels.
To me it's a moot point to add in my guesses and value/moral judgments considering the limited information we have on the situation. I'm not opposed to others doing so, however, value judgments are not the same as reasoned, logical discernment.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I agree.
It is natural for a mother to breast feed her child and if it is in public so be it. As long as it is discreate and she is no leaving her breast exposed, who cares?
People need to lighten up.
Plus, breast feeding is shown to have many health benifits.
the subject of feeding in public offten comes up and i have not yet known or heard of 1 mother who feeds in public and wishes to show her breast ! all the women i have spoken with do cover up in their own way and are very disgrate or try to avoid BF in public (which can be impossable ! )
now as i'm reading the event ppl on the plan are sitting the mother is next to the window and her man is next to her in the aile seat. SO i think the attendent as she was standing would be the only person awear of the breastfeeding and i feel it would be part of her job to accept what she saw as it wasnt upsetting other ppl , its fine that she offered a blanket but it is fine that it was not taken. and its sad that another woman could be upset by witnessing this.
I think our sociatys need to do a huge rethink on Breasts ! as has been said on here before why is it ok to have topless women on newspaper stands and all these hidious "mens magazines" like Nuts ! with boobs on the front every week but not ok for a baby to be having the food it needs to help their brain to grow and their face musles develop fully so they can talk , see, hear , smell, walk properly and for the mother and child to have that eye contact and bonding for their first teachings of communication and love.
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La Leche League will be setting the rules! Or rather people like me think they should
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You said "huge.....Breasts"....hahahahaha!!!
have you read the book 'slut'? i cant remember the author. it's a very interesting argument that women do more to contain and restrict the sexuality of women than men do.
Are you a leader? Good for you! I was one from 91 to about 2002 or so. I forget when I retired. Did you ever do the 800 line? I used to on weekends.
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That being said more boobs being shown the better, however it would be best if a baby wasn't attatched.