Woman kicked off plane for breast-feeding baby

soulsinging

VictoryGin wrote:

What's weird is that seeing breasts in a sexual context is okay, but seeing them in the context for which they were made is not okay. If you look around you, sex and breasts are used to sell most things and you see them in sexual contexts in movies, on tv, (think about how much more 'normal' it is to see breasts than a penis on tv and in a movie) etc.

It really pisses me off when people get all worked up over breastfeeding. It's so amazingly stupid.

but you didnt see any nipple. and as lewis black says, if you aint got no nipple, you havent got a tit. all you've got is a shoulder blade without bone structure.

VictoryGin

cutback wrote:

Um, I'm not sure when I said it made me uncomfortable. I said some people.
R - Reading
I - Is
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ooooooh, burn!

well, then those people should just not look.

cincybearcat

VictoryGin wrote:

so i can understand this, what makes you so uncomfortable about that kind of situation?

Well...it's a breast after all....and guys are conditioned to look...and we are also well aware that we shouldn't be looking...so it's just a very difficult thing when it's out there for all to see....

Urinating is also a very natural thing, but how would you feel if there wasn't a door between you and me standing at a urinal peeing? A little uncomfortable I'm guessing, even though it's natural.

norm

VictoryGin wrote:

ooooooh, burn!

well, then those people should just not look.

I agree. Why such hostility?

farfromglorified

Breasts are awesome. Feed on ladies.

VictoryGin

cincybearcat wrote:

Well...it's a breast after all....and guys are conditioned to look...and we are also well aware that we shouldn't be looking...so it's just a very difficult thing when it's out there for all to see....

but you're not seeing much of it at all

cincybearcat wrote:

Urinating is also a very natural thing, but how would you feel if there wasn't a door between you and me standing at a urinal peeing? A little uncomfortable I'm guessing, even though it's natural.

i honestly wouldn't care.

soulsinging

VictoryGin wrote:

thanks for expanding on that. i can totally see what you're saying. it's just frustrating when all others can say is 'cover it up' without talking about why. i have an idea on why, ha.

if you tell me what your idea is, ill tell you what mine is...

cincybearcat

VictoryGin wrote:

but you're not seeing much of it at all



i honestly wouldn't care.

Ok...but can you see the point that others might?

And like I said before, don't think I'm saying she should have to cover up...I'm only explaining my own reasons for being uncomfortable...not that it should effect the situation.

soulsinging

VictoryGin wrote:

but you're not seeing much of it at all



i honestly wouldn't care.

what you care if the guy across from you was sneaking peeks at your breast while you fed?

angelica

The real problem is that when one turns one's head, one still has to deal with one's inner judgmental nature. So when someone feels it is wrong to openly breastfeed, and when one does not own their own discomfort stemming from their own life conditioning and their own opinions, even when they do turn their heads, they must deal with the inner demons as they prattle on and on. We all know it's soo much easier to pass off the inner voices/demons, putting that all on the "other guy", rather than to come to terms with reality and our personal issues that are about judgment and intolerance.

Hence the fact that I can't support human egocentricity and self-centered grandstanding.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

Breasts are awesome. Feed on ladies.

You have your own unique way of cracking me up in the "breast" threads. And now that I think of it, you seem to turn up in them, saying very little....like some kind of watcher!

VictoryGin

soulsinging wrote:

if you tell me what your idea is, ill tell you what mine is...

nice. well, it has a lot to do with what angelica was saying. i think that people can handle breasts in a sexual context (mostly speaking) and when they can control it. sexualized breasts are everywhere and controlled by many men in advertising and media like playboy or maxim. it's also so much more acceptable to see sexualized breasts in movies than a sexualized penis, which i think has to do with the history of control.

though i also think there is some sort of connection with men who sexualize breasts and weirdness with their own moms (which comes out when they see breasts used in a motherly sense and not sexual).

something like that--i'm a little hungover so i hope it makes sense

VictoryGin

cincybearcat wrote:

Ok...but can you see the point that others might?

you mean with urinating? i don't think that's the same as breastfeeding.

cincybearcat wrote:

And like I said before, don't think I'm saying she should have to cover up...I'm only explaining my own reasons for being uncomfortable...not that it should effect the situation.

i know, thank you. i appreciate hearing your thoughts on that.

VictoryGin

soulsinging wrote:

what you care if the guy across from you was sneaking peeks at your breast while you fed?

well i don't think they'd see much, for multiple reasons. ha. i can't say for sure, but i'd think i'd be more concerned about feeding the baby so it wouldn't be crying/fussy/whathaveyou over some guy seeing a small patch of skin that is being used to feed a child.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

but you didnt see any nipple. and as lewis black says, if you aint got no nipple, you havent got a tit. all you've got is a shoulder blade without bone structure.

I'm not so sure, here. For many years, with the help of modern day push-up bras, and some reasonable cleavage, I was able to somehow seemingly communicate the implication of a nipple to many males. Weird phenomenon, I tell ya.

soulsinging

VictoryGin wrote:

well i don't think they'd see much, for multiple reasons. ha. i can't say for sure, but i'd think i'd be more concerned about feeding the baby so it wouldn't be crying/fussy/whathaveyou over some guy seeing a small patch of skin that is being used to feed a child.

well i think that is the crux of the matter. breasts have been super-sexualized, so guys can't not look. and they know if they do, the woman feeding will make a scene (we take enough shit for checking girls out who are wearing short skirts on the streets). so it's a dilemma, the powerful compulsion to look and the knowledge that we'll be labelled a pervert or something if we do. the women dont like it cos they all know their guy wants nothing more than to catch a glimpse of a new boob for once, so they want that hussy to cover up and stop tempting their man. the kids just wanna know what they look like.

you women dont realize the power you have in your breasts

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

I'm not so sure, here. For many years, with the help of modern day push-up bras, and some reasonable cleavage, I was able to somehow seemingly communicate the implication of a nipple to many males. Weird phenomenon, I tell ya.

well, without a doubt. it's cos we know it's there... and we can almost see it, and we drive ourselves nuts trying to

angelica

And with all our crazy conditioning, 99% of my discomfort with breastfeeding is that it's so shrouded in shame and all kinds of taboo, that it becomes like when someone tells you not to look at something. For some reason, I find myself looking! And I'm a girl! It's the taboo thing! Then, I feel embarassed. Or I find I start talking to the baby--and then I think "does this girl think I'm checking her out??" It's crazy for me as a female, so I can only begin to imagine what it is for men!

mookie9999

angelica wrote:

One of the most important aspects of breastfeeding, and one that contributes to the overall health of the baby is the eye contact and deep emotional bonding between mother and baby. Imagine that you were to sit down to eat dinner with your loved ones, and it was considered socially acceptable for someone to come drop a blanket over your head for the duration of the meal. How would you feel being cut off from your loved ones, and your surroundings while "enjoying" your meal? Besides the emotional disconnection, would you enjoy eating your meal with a blanket covering you? Babies are very aware intelligent beings who are being conditioned, and who are developing their emotional wiring in every single moment of their lives. Do you condone sacrificing such an important aspect of family development because others choose grandstanding rather than awareness, owning their own baggage, and turning from looking?

I think this is an extreme statement. This wasn't going to be an ongoing trend of from that point on until the baby no longer is breast fed they would have a blanket thrown over them, unless they were Jacko's kid. Just for the duration of the flight. While it is the mothers right to breast feed, it's not that terrible of a request to use a blanket. BTW, without having any little ones of my own, isn't 22 months a tad bit old to still be breast feeding??

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

well, without a doubt. it's cos we know it's there... and we can almost see it, and we drive ourselves nuts trying to

And I get the impression that when you all can't quite see it, somehow you find a way to magically fill the image in with imagination--this assumption coming from the amount of staring some of you are doing! Like we actually ARE naked! This also explains the expression "undressing someone with your eyes".