People who protest abortion aren't quite right in the head 100%.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
I'm gonna go ahead and guess this will probably get me banned, but since freedom of speech exists...
FUCK ABORTION.
Everyone has a right to exist...to live...to breathe...to become something...and someone...women who fuck around and get "knocked up" should take responsibility for their own actions...what if your mom had gotten an abortion? Do you feel you have the right to exist? Why? I bet all the abortioned babies would have grown to think they deserved it too.
Putting it blunt...if you fuck around...you get pregnant...how is that that baby's fault? Why kill innocent children? Who the fuck are you to play God?
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A GOD THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
then you obviously haven't
A) been a parent been pregnant
C) had a mental illness.
D) any idea what you're talking about.
A) Would open the abortion issue for men to decide.
C) Would open the abortion issue for men to decide.
D) Would open the abortion issue for men to decide.
This only leaves you option , is this really the best you have!!
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Not quite sure what point your trying to make with this. If your trying to use it as an argument for the ethical acceptability of abortion, its a weak argument, i'm afraid. You can't point to one disgusting thing as ethical justification for another disgusting thing.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Not quite sure what point your trying to make with this. If your trying to use it as an argument for the ethical acceptability of abortion, its a weak argument, i'm afraid. You can't point to one disgusting thing as ethical justification for another disgusting thing.
If women don't want the baby they will abort it one way or another.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Especially since you don't have to raise the child if you do not want to.
It seems like convenience for you versus another person's right to exist.
Look you asked me what I thought and I told you.
And as I suspected, you don't like my answers.
If you are having trouble with quality of life as a concept perhaps a quick look at Amnesty International or the hundreds of statistics available on human suffering.
I notice that you've done a lot of asking questions, and a lot of judging, but you haven't bothered to tell us too much about you and why you think that your opinions are justified.
And you don't mind throwing in the personal attacks either I notice. If you're all for caring about people, perhaps try being a bit more pleasant to those of us that are already here attempting, foolishly to communicate with you.
I'm finding your attempts at questioning everybody in this thread a bit sinister and condescending, like you have an ulterior motive. Not working for a lobby group are we?
I've said nothing about the fact that you think abstaining is the solution to all this. Or that you have managed to completely ignore the issue at hand which is the state sanctioning of a forced medical procedure on women, a decision made in majority by men. If you can't stand in another person's shoes and try to be empathetic to them then I suggest it's just good manners for you to be quiet and stop judging.
Do you even have children? Can you even have children? Would you ever have to make the choice to abort or carry a pregnancy to term? HOW can you know the answer to that as an absolute if you've never been in the situation? Have you ever been adopted? Do you know what it's like to suffer? Really suffer? Poverty, sexual abuse, physical abuse, injustice, malnutrition, lack of education, lack of love from a parent, and a plethora of others. Do not tell me that a life time of suffering is better because you are alive to live through it as opposed to being humanely stopped from that suffering. If you believe that then I don't believe you to be the paragon of virtue you are making yourself out to be.
Oh and if you can do nothing else here could you at the very least stop making sweeping generalizations and putting words into people's mouths please? Where did I EVER say in this thread that abortion was convenient? If I did show me, I'll be happy to retract that.
I consider human to be a human as soon as he or she is conceived. This is not a line drawn by me but by nature, and is therefore not arbitrary.
Sperm and eggs are not humans by themselves because they will not, on their own, develop into anything else. They are what they are. When a child is conceived, a process of development has begun.
Yes, of course.
Again, I haven't drawn any line at all. I have gone to the beginning, where nature has chosen to begin the process of human development.
Just what is my ilk and what is my ideology?
your ilk are the sex warriors. they used to believe masturbation was murder becos sperm were living beings. they found they were wrong. you might find the same. nature has drawn no such line. your line is as good a place as any to start. but it's not fact. becos medical science has shown that fetuses cannot be considered living beings by any definition we currently use until several weeks into a pregnancy. thus, nature says nothing about starting points. it's a process, and where one draws the line to say "now it's alive" is inevitably guesswork. you dont have sole claim to fact here. nobody does.
also, why doesn't your pro-life zeal go to pushing for murder laws for women who drink while pregnant? cos you dont really care about life or about what women do to their fetuses. you care about controlling people's sexual activity to suit your prudish conservative views and making sure pregnancy remains a serious punishment for breaking the rules.
Why are each of those reasons more important than the right of that "potential" person to live?
potential does not get the same rights as actual. otherwise, how come we dont crack down on pollution that interferes with a person's potential right to live to be 110? pollution should be murder if we're going to talk about potential. you're starting to sound like one of those big brother liberals now.
I'm gonna go ahead and guess this will probably get me banned, but since freedom of speech exists...
FUCK ABORTION.
Everyone has a right to exist...to live...to breathe...to become something...and someone...women who fuck around and get "knocked up" should take responsibility for their own actions...what if your mom had gotten an abortion? Do you feel you have the right to exist? Why? I bet all the abortioned babies would have grown to think they deserved it too.
Putting it blunt...if you fuck around...you get pregnant...how is that that baby's fault? Why kill innocent children? Who the fuck are you to play God?
if mom aborted me id never have been alive and would have had no idea what i was missing. so no, i wouldnt have given a flying fuck.
um... the lady that put thew baby in the river...
is going to jail!
Actually in this case the mother was never caught.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Actually in this case the mother was never caught.
There are just too many of these cases. A few years back during July 4th a mom threw her two year old sons off a bridge into a river in St Paul. One was saved the other died a tramatic death. How about all the poor little babies born with addictions? The abused and tortured children around this world.
Someone mentioned Playing God -where is God? Why are these little one's not protected by God? What about all the sick people who now live long lives because of medical advances who may have died much earlier or more inhumanely without medical help. Is that playing God?
I think Trau's motivation here is to make pro-choice folks feel guilty and admit that abortion is murder. Problem is there is a line in the sand for pro-choice folks and the only thing to do is agree to disagree.
"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
Again, I haven't drawn any line at all. I have gone to the beginning, where nature has chosen to begin the process of human development.
Your arbitrary line is in deciding that anything containing human genetic material is sacred and must be protected at all costs. That is a belief that I do not share. That is the arbitrary line I've drawn for myself. I don't expect anyone else to care about my arbitrary line. I'm perfectly content to draw lines on my life alone, and leave you to color yours in as you see fit. I only ask that you keep your lines away from me.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
that a specific woman would choose to abort for her convenience.
What do you mean that's not my call? I'm not making one. It is for convenience in every case except for when the physical health of the mother is threatened.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
nature has drawn no such line. your line is as good a place as any to start. but it's not fact.
I'm afraid it very much is fact. Again, I have chosen to respect the beginning of the whole process. The beginning of that process has not been determined by me, and therefore I have not done anything but acknowledge when nature has chosen to begin the growth of a human being.
It is others who say, "well it is not a human unless it has this or can do this". If you say that I am arbitrarily drawing a line, then I guess you just don't understand what arbitrary means.
becos medical science has shown that fetuses cannot be considered living beings by any definition we currently use
And what definitions are those?
also, why doesn't your pro-life zeal go to pushing for murder laws for women who drink while pregnant? cos you dont really care about life or about what women do to their fetuses. you care about controlling people's sexual activity to suit your prudish conservative views and making sure pregnancy remains a serious punishment for breaking the rules.
If I wanted to control sexual behavior, I'd push for laws controlling sexual behavior. Try again, swami.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
And you don't mind throwing in the personal attacks either I notice. If you're all for caring about people, perhaps try being a bit more pleasant to those of us that are already here attempting, foolishly to communicate with you.
What personal attacks are you referring to?
I'm finding your attempts at questioning everybody in this thread a bit sinister and condescending, like you have an ulterior motive. Not working for a lobby group are we?
No, I don't work for a lobby group. The reason I am asking my questions is to get you to examine why you hold the opinions you do about this issue.
I've said nothing about the fact that you think abstaining is the solution to all this.
And why would you? It's a guaranteed solution.
Or that you have managed to completely ignore the issue at hand which is the state sanctioning of a forced medical procedure on women, a decision made in majority by men.
I haven't ignored the issue. I have asked all along why a woman who participated in this "forced medical procedure" would feel guilty afterward, and reconsider her decision.
Do you even have children? Can you even have children? Would you ever have to make the choice to abort or carry a pregnancy to term?
How are any of these questions relevant? My life experiences have no effect on when a human being becomes a human being.
HOW can you know the answer to that as an absolute if you've never been in the situation?
I don't see what's complicated about this. Whenever a human becomes a human, it does so regardless of how financially or emotionally difficult it will be to raise a child. Pregnancy isn't all about you, it's about the child.
Have you ever been adopted? Do you know what it's like to suffer? Really suffer? Poverty, sexual abuse, physical abuse, injustice, malnutrition, lack of education, lack of love from a parent, and a plethora of others. Do not tell me that a life time of suffering is better because you are alive to live through it as opposed to being humanely stopped from that suffering.
Who are you to decide that for them? We're getting into dangerous territory, now. Would you find it acceptable to euthanize a newborn child given up for adoption who has some debilitating disease?
Oh and if you can do nothing else here could you at the very least stop making sweeping generalizations and putting words into people's mouths please? Where did I EVER say in this thread that abortion was convenient? If I did show me, I'll be happy to retract that.
You didn't have to use the word convenient to have meant it. Financial and emotional "well-being" are issues of convenience. If you decide to give your child up for adoption, it is possible to avoid all financial obligations entirely.
If you give birth to a child you don't want, and you give it up for adoption, well any normal human being is going to be emotionally affected by that decision. But I don't think your emotional problems are justification to deny another the right to simply exist. If you aborted, you'd probably be fucked up in much the same way, anyhow.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
I haven't ignored the issue. I have asked all along why a woman who participated in this "forced medical procedure" would feel guilty afterward, and reconsider her decision.
I, for one, am less concerned that she would feel guilty. She would certainly feel inconvenienced, and there's no reason for it. The procedure would do nothing to enhance her well-being, and is therefore unnecessary. I'm against politicizing the medical profession. The well-being of the patient should be the only consideration when making medical decisions.
I thought conservatives were opposed to wasteful spending?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
How are any of these questions relevant? My life experiences have no effect on when a human being becomes a human being.
You didn't have to use the word convenient to have meant it. Financial and emotional "well-being" are issues of convenience. If you decide to give your child up for adoption, it is possible to avoid all financial obligations entirely.
If you give birth to a child you don't want, and you give it up for adoption, well any normal human being is going to be emotionally affected by that decision. But I don't think your emotional problems are justification to deny another the right to simply exist. If you aborted, you'd probably be fucked up in much the same way, anyhow.
1) i assume you are a virgin then? or if not, you never had sex until you were married and wanted to have children?
2) i am a proponent of adoption, but the us adoption system is fucked. it is prohibitively expensive and slow. kids dont get adopted until years after birth... instead they bounce around the foster care system for years and are sexually abused and unstable. perhaps you should work on ensuring there are better viable alternatives to make abortion an irrelevant issue. go to the source of the problem, dont treat the symptom.
3) am i wrong in guessing you want abstinence-only sex ed taught and oppose including comprehensive information about contraception in high schools? most of you and your ilk do. which is again proof that you don't give a damn about fetuses, it's just sexual politics... you wanting to turn back the clock and ostracize the whores who dare to fuck out of wedlock. if not, eradicate abstinence sex ed, replace it uniformly with comprehensive sex ed, fix the adoption process, and provide better support and protection for single parents who are left hanging by their baby's other parent, and then im willing to talk about outlawing abortion. let's make it unnecessary rather than illegal. that would be the moral thing to do.
I, for one, am less concerned that she would feel guilty. She would certainly feel inconvenienced, and there's no reason for it. The procedure would do nothing to enhance her well-being, and is therefore unnecessary. I'm against politicizing the medical profession. The well-being of the patient should be the only consideration when making medical decisions.
The reason is that maybe she'll change her mind about her ideas of life and when it begins.
I thought conservatives were opposed to wasteful spending?
For them, this isn't wasteful. But for more answers you'd have to just ask them.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
The reason is that maybe she'll change her mind about her ideas of life and when it begins.
I see no reason why it shouldn't be offered, but it's wrong to make it compulsory. Many women have already seen ultrasounds. Many are not interested in seeing them. It is not your place to mandate a medical procedure because it might change someone's mind. It might, it might not ... it most certainly would not change mine. But the ONLY reason anyone should prescribe a medical procedure is because it contributes to the well-being of the patient, and that is obviously not the case here. In cases where ultrasounds are necessary to safely perform the abortion, or to decide whether or not it can/should be done, women are already getting them.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
1) i assume you are a virgin then? or if not, you never had sex until you were married and wanted to have children?
Again: why is it relevant?
2) i am a proponent of adoption, but the us adoption system is fucked. it is prohibitively expensive and slow. kids dont get adopted until years after birth... instead they bounce around the foster care system for years and are sexually abused and unstable. perhaps you should work on ensuring there are better viable alternatives to make abortion an irrelevant issue. go to the source of the problem, dont treat the symptom.
Women don't get abortions because of how messed up the adoption system is. A person doesn't even have to go through government adoption agencies.
3) am i wrong in guessing you want abstinence-only sex ed taught and oppose including comprehensive information about contraception in high schools?
Yes, you are wrong.
most of you and your ilk do. which is again proof that you don't give a damn about fetuses, it's just sexual politics...
It's not proof of anything. It is quite possible to care about both of those issues.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
Comments
that is not your call to make.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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What isn't my call?
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
FUCK ABORTION.
Everyone has a right to exist...to live...to breathe...to become something...and someone...women who fuck around and get "knocked up" should take responsibility for their own actions...what if your mom had gotten an abortion? Do you feel you have the right to exist? Why? I bet all the abortioned babies would have grown to think they deserved it too.
Putting it blunt...if you fuck around...you get pregnant...how is that that baby's fault? Why kill innocent children? Who the fuck are you to play God?
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
that a specific woman would choose to abort for her convenience.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
C) Would open the abortion issue for men to decide.
D) Would open the abortion issue for men to decide.
This only leaves you option
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Not quite sure what point your trying to make with this. If your trying to use it as an argument for the ethical acceptability of abortion, its a weak argument, i'm afraid. You can't point to one disgusting thing as ethical justification for another disgusting thing.
If women don't want the baby they will abort it one way or another.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
is going to jail!
Look you asked me what I thought and I told you.
And as I suspected, you don't like my answers.
If you are having trouble with quality of life as a concept perhaps a quick look at Amnesty International or the hundreds of statistics available on human suffering.
I notice that you've done a lot of asking questions, and a lot of judging, but you haven't bothered to tell us too much about you and why you think that your opinions are justified.
And you don't mind throwing in the personal attacks either I notice. If you're all for caring about people, perhaps try being a bit more pleasant to those of us that are already here attempting, foolishly to communicate with you.
I'm finding your attempts at questioning everybody in this thread a bit sinister and condescending, like you have an ulterior motive. Not working for a lobby group are we?
I've said nothing about the fact that you think abstaining is the solution to all this. Or that you have managed to completely ignore the issue at hand which is the state sanctioning of a forced medical procedure on women, a decision made in majority by men. If you can't stand in another person's shoes and try to be empathetic to them then I suggest it's just good manners for you to be quiet and stop judging.
Do you even have children? Can you even have children? Would you ever have to make the choice to abort or carry a pregnancy to term? HOW can you know the answer to that as an absolute if you've never been in the situation? Have you ever been adopted? Do you know what it's like to suffer? Really suffer? Poverty, sexual abuse, physical abuse, injustice, malnutrition, lack of education, lack of love from a parent, and a plethora of others. Do not tell me that a life time of suffering is better because you are alive to live through it as opposed to being humanely stopped from that suffering. If you believe that then I don't believe you to be the paragon of virtue you are making yourself out to be.
Oh and if you can do nothing else here could you at the very least stop making sweeping generalizations and putting words into people's mouths please? Where did I EVER say in this thread that abortion was convenient? If I did show me, I'll be happy to retract that.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
your ilk are the sex warriors. they used to believe masturbation was murder becos sperm were living beings. they found they were wrong. you might find the same. nature has drawn no such line. your line is as good a place as any to start. but it's not fact. becos medical science has shown that fetuses cannot be considered living beings by any definition we currently use until several weeks into a pregnancy. thus, nature says nothing about starting points. it's a process, and where one draws the line to say "now it's alive" is inevitably guesswork. you dont have sole claim to fact here. nobody does.
also, why doesn't your pro-life zeal go to pushing for murder laws for women who drink while pregnant? cos you dont really care about life or about what women do to their fetuses. you care about controlling people's sexual activity to suit your prudish conservative views and making sure pregnancy remains a serious punishment for breaking the rules.
potential does not get the same rights as actual. otherwise, how come we dont crack down on pollution that interferes with a person's potential right to live to be 110? pollution should be murder if we're going to talk about potential. you're starting to sound like one of those big brother liberals now.
if mom aborted me id never have been alive and would have had no idea what i was missing. so no, i wouldnt have given a flying fuck.
Actually in this case the mother was never caught.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
There are just too many of these cases. A few years back during July 4th a mom threw her two year old sons off a bridge into a river in St Paul. One was saved the other died a tramatic death. How about all the poor little babies born with addictions? The abused and tortured children around this world.
Someone mentioned Playing God -where is God? Why are these little one's not protected by God? What about all the sick people who now live long lives because of medical advances who may have died much earlier or more inhumanely without medical help. Is that playing God?
I think Trau's motivation here is to make pro-choice folks feel guilty and admit that abortion is murder. Problem is there is a line in the sand for pro-choice folks and the only thing to do is agree to disagree.
What do you mean that's not my call? I'm not making one. It is for convenience in every case except for when the physical health of the mother is threatened.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
What about a rape victim?
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I really don't know what a "sex warrior" is.
I'm afraid it very much is fact. Again, I have chosen to respect the beginning of the whole process. The beginning of that process has not been determined by me, and therefore I have not done anything but acknowledge when nature has chosen to begin the growth of a human being.
It is others who say, "well it is not a human unless it has this or can do this". If you say that I am arbitrarily drawing a line, then I guess you just don't understand what arbitrary means.
And what definitions are those?
If I wanted to control sexual behavior, I'd push for laws controlling sexual behavior. Try again, swami.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
Convenience.
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I'm freezing
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What personal attacks are you referring to?
No, I don't work for a lobby group. The reason I am asking my questions is to get you to examine why you hold the opinions you do about this issue.
And why would you? It's a guaranteed solution.
I haven't ignored the issue. I have asked all along why a woman who participated in this "forced medical procedure" would feel guilty afterward, and reconsider her decision.
How are any of these questions relevant? My life experiences have no effect on when a human being becomes a human being.
I don't see what's complicated about this. Whenever a human becomes a human, it does so regardless of how financially or emotionally difficult it will be to raise a child. Pregnancy isn't all about you, it's about the child.
Who are you to decide that for them? We're getting into dangerous territory, now. Would you find it acceptable to euthanize a newborn child given up for adoption who has some debilitating disease?
You didn't have to use the word convenient to have meant it. Financial and emotional "well-being" are issues of convenience. If you decide to give your child up for adoption, it is possible to avoid all financial obligations entirely.
If you give birth to a child you don't want, and you give it up for adoption, well any normal human being is going to be emotionally affected by that decision. But I don't think your emotional problems are justification to deny another the right to simply exist. If you aborted, you'd probably be fucked up in much the same way, anyhow.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
I thought conservatives were opposed to wasteful spending?
As you love yourself, I'm sure.
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1) i assume you are a virgin then? or if not, you never had sex until you were married and wanted to have children?
2) i am a proponent of adoption, but the us adoption system is fucked. it is prohibitively expensive and slow. kids dont get adopted until years after birth... instead they bounce around the foster care system for years and are sexually abused and unstable. perhaps you should work on ensuring there are better viable alternatives to make abortion an irrelevant issue. go to the source of the problem, dont treat the symptom.
3) am i wrong in guessing you want abstinence-only sex ed taught and oppose including comprehensive information about contraception in high schools? most of you and your ilk do. which is again proof that you don't give a damn about fetuses, it's just sexual politics... you wanting to turn back the clock and ostracize the whores who dare to fuck out of wedlock. if not, eradicate abstinence sex ed, replace it uniformly with comprehensive sex ed, fix the adoption process, and provide better support and protection for single parents who are left hanging by their baby's other parent, and then im willing to talk about outlawing abortion. let's make it unnecessary rather than illegal. that would be the moral thing to do.
The reason is that maybe she'll change her mind about her ideas of life and when it begins.
For them, this isn't wasteful. But for more answers you'd have to just ask them.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try
Again: why is it relevant?
Women don't get abortions because of how messed up the adoption system is. A person doesn't even have to go through government adoption agencies.
Yes, you are wrong.
It's not proof of anything. It is quite possible to care about both of those issues.
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants Ive begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Are you afraid, afraid to die
Don't be afraid, afraid to try