a developing embryo/ foetus can not grow or survive independently of its mother. it gives nothing back in return for this nourishment. in this way, yes, it is parasitic. .
No, it isn't. Parasitism isn't as simple as taking nourishment without return.
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I want her to defend her claim that abortion is constitutionally protected. It doesn't seem like she knows why she believes that it is.
Simply because the Supreme Court has ruled a particular way does not mean that a precedent is justified. See Plessy v. Ferguson.
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I want her to defend her claim that abortion is constitutionally protected. It doesn't seem like she knows why she believes that it is.
Simply because the Supreme Court has ruled a particular way does not mean that a precedent is justified. See Plessy v. Ferguson.
To be honest I can't be bothered. There's just something about the wording of your posts that I find rude and unpleasant. It may not be your intention but that's how it's coming across to me. And frankly it seems that should I go to all the trouble of reading this link, you'll only come back with a whole lot more Spanish Inquistion. I notice you never bothered to comment on any of the further reading I provided. AND you seem to continually want to make this whole thread about you getting your views on abortion across when clearly the thread is about the state decreeing mandatory medical procedures.
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then please trau share your wealth of knowledge with us all. you ask a lot of questions and challenge our views, so please tell me what your definition of parasitic is.
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then please trau share your wealth of knowledge with us all. you ask a lot of questions and challenge our views, so please tell me what your definition of parasitic is.
"A parasite is an organism that associates with the host in a negative, unhealthy and nonessential (nonessential to the host) manner which will often damage the host and detrimentally affect the procreative capacity of the host (and species).
A human embryo or fetus is a human being that associates with the mother in a positive,healthful essential manner necessary for the procreation of the species."
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"A parasite is an organism that associates with the host in a negative, unhealthy and nonessential (nonessential to the host) manner which will often damage the host and detrimentally affect the procreative capacity of the host (and species).
A human embryo or fetus is a human being that associates with the mother in a positive,healthful essential manner necessary for the procreation of the species."
using the definition you provided i'd like to point out that the human embryo does associate with its host in a non essential manner to that host. a mother recieves nothing from the embryo/foetus. the relationship is all one sided essentially for the survival of the unborn. as a woman i can live without an embyro growing inside me, but it can not live without me. that's what i was saying. an embryo's existence is parasitic by nature.
but all we are basically doing is debating semantics and as a rule that often gets no one anywhere.
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if mom aborted me id never have been alive and would have had no idea what i was missing. so no, i wouldnt have given a flying fuck.
Well, perhaps...but still the question remains...who are you to play God? You fuck around, you take responsibility...not the fetus...makes sense...responsibility for your own actions...makes sense, no?
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I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
Well, perhaps...but still the question remains...who are you to play God? You fuck around, you take responsibility...not the fetus...makes sense...responsibility for your own actions...makes sense, no?
choosing to have an abortion is taking responsibility. if you know you can not cope then you make the decision. and may i point out that the decision can only be made by the woman. a man cannot impose his will upon her. i know what a sore point this is with some but it remains a fact.
and as for God... well... he appears to be absent in almost every facet of day to day life, so fuck him. this is my life, not his. and not yours. don't preach to me about God and responsibility unless you are going to stand by my side and raise the child i am not able to.
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choosing to have an abortion is taking responsibility. if you know you can not cope then you make the decision. and may i point out that the decision can only be made by the woman. a man cannot impose his will upon her. i know what a sore point this is with some but it remains a fact.
and as for God... well... he appears to be absent in almost every facet of day to day life, so fuck him. this is my life, not his. and not yours. don't preach to me about God and responsibility unless you are going to stand by my side and raise the child i am not able to.
Then let me put it simple.....
DON'T HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES ATTACHED TO IT.
Period.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A GOD THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
DON'T HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES ATTACHED TO IT.
Period.
So you are unaware of the percentage of married women who have children and also have abortions?
And also the percentage of women who get pregnant because of failed birth control.
And the percentage of women who get pregnant because of failed vasectomies.
And the percentage of people that have unprotected sex who never get pregnant?
And are you advocating slagging off at women for getting pregnant and aborting but it's ok not to expect men to have to be subjected to any kind of rancor or venom? That they can spread seed at will, which would have to be the case if they are getting women pregnant, and that they are not responsible in anyway? I just need you to clear that up please.
choosing to have an abortion is taking responsibility. if you know you can not cope then you make the decision. and may i point out that the decision can only be made by the woman. a man cannot impose his will upon her. i know what a sore point this is with some but it remains a fact.
and as for God... well... he appears to be absent in almost every facet of day to day life, so fuck him. this is my life, not his. and not yours. don't preach to me about God and responsibility unless you are going to stand by my side and raise the child i am not able to.
gee, I just can't imagine why He'd be absent in almost every facet of day-to-day life.
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
And on that note...I'm stepping back out of this discussion. Just thought I'd put out there that sex is an option, not something you have to do. If you can't raise a kid if you get knocked up...keep your damn pants on altogether. I just don't see the need to kill a POTENTIAL little child. May as well send folks like you off to war to drop bombs in Iraq and blow little kids to smithereens. Same thing I'd say. A child is a fetus in the womb, yes. But I have three kids, and I'm a middle class working father...yes it's hard, but I know that they deserved to be born. I made my choices, and I'm happy with them. I guess if you can murder kids and live with yourself, then go right ahead...but I won't. I can't. And you obviously know nothing of love. You will say you do, and that's why you do it. Abort the kids so they don't have a fucked-up life...sounds like a great excuse. But all in all in reality...learn that everyone deserves a chance to live. Regardless of the stupidass choices their parents make. It's your fault if you fuck and get pregnant...not an unborn POTENTIAL child. And on that note...I won't argue with you anymore. Wasting my time. People like you won't ever understand where I'm coming from. Too busy "being right"...
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A GOD THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
And on that note...I'm stepping back out of this discussion. Just thought I'd put out there that sex is an option, not something you have to do. If you can't raise a kid if you get knocked up...keep your damn pants on altogether. I just don't see the need to kill a POTENTIAL little child. May as well send folks like you off to war to drop bombs in Iraq and blow little kids to smithereens. Same thing I'd say. A child is a fetus in the womb, yes. But I have three kids, and I'm a middle class working father...yes it's hard, but I know that they deserved to be born. I made my choices, and I'm happy with them. I guess if you can murder kids and live with yourself, then go right ahead...but I won't. I can't. And you obviously know nothing of love. You will say you do, and that's why you do it. Abort the kids so they don't have a fucked-up life...sounds like a great excuse. But all in all in reality...learn that everyone deserves a chance to live. Regardless of the stupidass choices their parents make. It's your fault if you fuck and get pregnant...not an unborn POTENTIAL child. And on that note...I won't argue with you anymore. Wasting my time. People like you won't ever understand where I'm coming from. Too busy "being right"...
oh i absloutely know where you're coming from. i myself am the mother of four children. and yes having sex is a decision i choose to make. i also choose not to make the decision that could put a fully viable human in danger. i make my choices and have been doing so for many years and i am happy with them.
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Okay look. I'm not here to fight with you all. I just feel that we all have our opinions, and I'm expressing mine. I don't get abortion. I never will. I just think everyone should have a chance to live.....forgive me for speaking. I just think it's wrong. I wasn't trying to battle you...and I don't know if you're trying to battle me...but either way.....I just think it's wrong...sorry you disagree...anyhow, I think it's a fucked-up decision, but I guess it's your choice. Right or wrong...
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A GOD THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS UNECESSARY STATE MANDATED MEDICAL PROCEDURES AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT?
Or are we going to have to keep waffling about abortion because some people just can't seem to get past it?
And just for the record. For those in the back row that appear not to have been listening. I advocate choice for all.
If it's your choice not to have an abortion or to participate in sex FINE.
I think that's great. FOR YOU. And I support your decision.
If you have sex and you find yourself pregnant and you keep your child and bring it into the world. FANTASTIC! FOR YOU. And I support your decision.
If you find yourself in a situation where you are pregnant or your partner is pregnant and you consider an abortion is your best option. That's fine with me too. I support your decision.
I WOULDN'T EVER PRESUME TO TELL ANYBODY ELSE WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR OWN BODY AND I EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF IT TOO!
oh i absloutely know where you're coming from. i myself am the mother of four children. and yes having sex is a decision i choose to make. i also choose not to make the decision that could put a fully viable human in danger. i make my choices and have been doing so for many years and i am happy with them.
Fair enough. It's not my choice to run your life. I just disagree with you, and I just wanted to express my feelings on the subject as well. I'm obviously a pro-life individual, and I belong to a number of organizations that stand against abortion. You are obviously very pro-choice and I applaud your stand on what you believe. Again, I disagree with you...I cannot stress that enough. But I also believe you are free to your own opinion.
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Okay look. I'm not here to fight with you all. I just feel that we all have our opinions, and I'm expressing mine. I don't get abortion. I never will. I just think everyone should have a chance to live.....forgive me for speaking. I just think it's wrong. I wasn't trying to battle you...and I don't know if you're trying to battle me...but either way.....I just think it's wrong...sorry you disagree...anyhow, I think it's a fucked-up decision, but I guess it's your choice. Right or wrong...
don't apologise for having an opinion. it's fine.
i did feel slighty attacked but i can handle it. and no i was battling your opinion not you. it's not a black and white issue and should not be treated as such. there is no right or wrong when it comes to abortion. it's what the individual woman feels is right FOR HER and her situation. and whatever that decision may be, she needs our support and compassion.
and what was that jeanie? something about state mandated unnecessary medical procedures. well i am totally against that. invasive and a waste of money.
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Well, I didn't mean to make you feel attacked...I guess most people tend to get riled up about their beliefs, and I'm no exception. Freedom of speech, yeah? But either way, as much as I disagree with you I apologize for getting all nerved up toward you. Let's agree to disagree and move on, cool?
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Well, I didn't mean to make you feel attacked...I guess most people tend to get riled up about their beliefs, and I'm no exception. Freedom of speech, yeah? But either way, as much as I disagree with you I apologize for getting all nerved up toward you. Let's agree to disagree and move on, cool?
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Okay look. I'm not here to fight with you all. I just feel that we all have our opinions, and I'm expressing mine. I don't get abortion. I never will. I just think everyone should have a chance to live.....forgive me for speaking. I just think it's wrong. I wasn't trying to battle you...and I don't know if you're trying to battle me...but either way.....I just think it's wrong...sorry you disagree...anyhow, I think it's a fucked-up decision, but I guess it's your choice. Right or wrong...
Firstly you should never apologise for speaking. You hold your opinions and they are perfectly valid and are yours and you are entitled to them and to express them. Just as we all are.
In a perfect world abortion would be completely unecessary. But unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. And I feel until such times as we do that unfortunately abortion is an option that needs to be available.
I am well aware that many children are born into happy, loving homes and that's fantastic. BUT that is not always the case. And I would much rather see someone have an abortion than have a child that they do not want or are not prepared to care for to the absolute best of their ability. And I believe that people need to do everything that they can to avoid getting pregnant if they choose to have sex but do not want children but unfortunately that is not what happens. Until such times as it does I support abortion for those who choose it regardless how it is that they came to be pregnant in the first place.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS UNECESSARY STATE MANDATED MEDICAL PROCEDURES AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT?
I would call the HPV vaccine an unnecessary state mandated medical procedure if it became mandatory like the chicken pox vaccine.
unemployable 22-I understand where you're coming from. I was sickened to see a fetus called a parasite. A month-old baby can't live without someone else feeding it... it is a parasite too?
however...the majority of women that get an abortion do not want a child. For a million different reasons, they decide to get rid of it. Isn't it a good thing that children aren't born into an environment where they aren't wanted?
Firstly you should never apologise for speaking. You hold your opinions and they are perfectly valid and are yours and you are entitled to them and to express them. Just as we all are.
In a perfect world abortion would be completely unecessary. But unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. And I feel until such times as we do that unfortunately abortion is an option that needs to be available.
I am well aware that many children are born into happy, loving homes and that's fantastic. BUT that is not always the case. And I would much rather see someone have an abortion than have a child that they do not want or are not prepared to care for to the absolute best of their ability. And I believe that people need to do everything that they can to avoid getting pregnant if they choose to have sex but do not want children but unfortunately that is not what happens. Until such times as it does I support abortion for those who choose it regardless how it is that they came to be pregnant in the first place.
what are your thoughts on adoption? If allllll of these babies weren't aborted, people that can't get pregnant would have the child they always wanted. seems like a perfect agreement. (but most people go to china instead)
and what was that jeanie? something about state mandated unnecessary medical procedures. well i am totally against that. invasive and a waste of money.
Ah thank you cate!!! FINALLY!!!!
So what do you think the ramifications of it are? It worries me that the precedent is now set.
When I think about how much money they will spend to do this that could be spent making the morning after pill available and known about. Thus eliminating the need for more surgical terminations and in turn making the mandated ultrasound irrelevant, well it just makes my head spin at the stupidity of it. I can't help wondering if it's a beat up lobbied for by the ultrasound providers.
I would call the HPV vaccine an unnecessary state mandated medical procedure if it became mandatory like the chicken pox vaccine..........
I agree. I believe that the new HPV vaccine is a good thing and think it will make a huge difference to lowering the rate of cervical cancer, however I would prefer to see the government educate people about why it is a good thing and then leave the decision to the individual or as in the case of the HPV vax, their parents. Not the states. And particularly in the case of this vax because it's not like girls can catch it from girls without a boy in the middle somewhere. And boys are not being vaccinated. It is the choice of the individual not the state.
however...the majority of women that get an abortion do not want a child. For a million different reasons, they decide to get rid of it. Isn't it a good thing that children aren't born into an environment where they aren't wanted?
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No, it isn't. Parasitism isn't as simple as taking nourishment without return.
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I want her to defend her claim that abortion is constitutionally protected. It doesn't seem like she knows why she believes that it is.
Simply because the Supreme Court has ruled a particular way does not mean that a precedent is justified. See Plessy v. Ferguson.
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sure it is. that's what makes things parasitic.
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To be honest I can't be bothered. There's just something about the wording of your posts that I find rude and unpleasant. It may not be your intention but that's how it's coming across to me. And frankly it seems that should I go to all the trouble of reading this link, you'll only come back with a whole lot more Spanish Inquistion. I notice you never bothered to comment on any of the further reading I provided. AND you seem to continually want to make this whole thread about you getting your views on abortion across when clearly the thread is about the state decreeing mandatory medical procedures.
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It's actually not.
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then please trau share your wealth of knowledge with us all. you ask a lot of questions and challenge our views, so please tell me what your definition of parasitic is.
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"A parasite is an organism that associates with the host in a negative, unhealthy and nonessential (nonessential to the host) manner which will often damage the host and detrimentally affect the procreative capacity of the host (and species).
A human embryo or fetus is a human being that associates with the mother in a positive,healthful essential manner necessary for the procreation of the species."
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html
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using the definition you provided i'd like to point out that the human embryo does associate with its host in a non essential manner to that host. a mother recieves nothing from the embryo/foetus. the relationship is all one sided essentially for the survival of the unborn. as a woman i can live without an embyro growing inside me, but it can not live without me. that's what i was saying. an embryo's existence is parasitic by nature.
but all we are basically doing is debating semantics and as a rule that often gets no one anywhere.
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Well, perhaps...but still the question remains...who are you to play God? You fuck around, you take responsibility...not the fetus...makes sense...responsibility for your own actions...makes sense, no?
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
choosing to have an abortion is taking responsibility. if you know you can not cope then you make the decision. and may i point out that the decision can only be made by the woman. a man cannot impose his will upon her. i know what a sore point this is with some but it remains a fact.
and as for God... well... he appears to be absent in almost every facet of day to day life, so fuck him. this is my life, not his. and not yours. don't preach to me about God and responsibility unless you are going to stand by my side and raise the child i am not able to.
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Then let me put it simple.....
DON'T HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES ATTACHED TO IT.
Period.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
So you are unaware of the percentage of married women who have children and also have abortions?
And also the percentage of women who get pregnant because of failed birth control.
And the percentage of women who get pregnant because of failed vasectomies.
And the percentage of people that have unprotected sex who never get pregnant?
And are you advocating slagging off at women for getting pregnant and aborting but it's ok not to expect men to have to be subjected to any kind of rancor or venom? That they can spread seed at will, which would have to be the case if they are getting women pregnant, and that they are not responsible in anyway? I just need you to clear that up please.
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oh i absloutely know where you're coming from. i myself am the mother of four children. and yes having sex is a decision i choose to make. i also choose not to make the decision that could put a fully viable human in danger. i make my choices and have been doing so for many years and i am happy with them.
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I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS UNECESSARY STATE MANDATED MEDICAL PROCEDURES AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT?
Or are we going to have to keep waffling about abortion because some people just can't seem to get past it?
And just for the record. For those in the back row that appear not to have been listening. I advocate choice for all.
If it's your choice not to have an abortion or to participate in sex FINE.
I think that's great. FOR YOU. And I support your decision.
If you have sex and you find yourself pregnant and you keep your child and bring it into the world. FANTASTIC! FOR YOU. And I support your decision.
If you find yourself in a situation where you are pregnant or your partner is pregnant and you consider an abortion is your best option. That's fine with me too. I support your decision.
I WOULDN'T EVER PRESUME TO TELL ANYBODY ELSE WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR OWN BODY AND I EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF IT TOO!
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Fair enough. It's not my choice to run your life. I just disagree with you, and I just wanted to express my feelings on the subject as well. I'm obviously a pro-life individual, and I belong to a number of organizations that stand against abortion. You are obviously very pro-choice and I applaud your stand on what you believe. Again, I disagree with you...I cannot stress that enough. But I also believe you are free to your own opinion.
I'M NOT A SLAVE TO A WORLD THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
don't apologise for having an opinion. it's fine.
i did feel slighty attacked but i can handle it. and no i was battling your opinion not you. it's not a black and white issue and should not be treated as such. there is no right or wrong when it comes to abortion. it's what the individual woman feels is right FOR HER and her situation. and whatever that decision may be, she needs our support and compassion.
and what was that jeanie? something about state mandated unnecessary medical procedures.
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Firstly you should never apologise for speaking. You hold your opinions and they are perfectly valid and are yours and you are entitled to them and to express them. Just as we all are.
In a perfect world abortion would be completely unecessary. But unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. And I feel until such times as we do that unfortunately abortion is an option that needs to be available.
I am well aware that many children are born into happy, loving homes and that's fantastic. BUT that is not always the case. And I would much rather see someone have an abortion than have a child that they do not want or are not prepared to care for to the absolute best of their ability. And I believe that people need to do everything that they can to avoid getting pregnant if they choose to have sex but do not want children but unfortunately that is not what happens. Until such times as it does I support abortion for those who choose it regardless how it is that they came to be pregnant in the first place.
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I would call the HPV vaccine an unnecessary state mandated medical procedure if it became mandatory like the chicken pox vaccine.
unemployable 22-I understand where you're coming from. I was sickened to see a fetus called a parasite. A month-old baby can't live without someone else feeding it... it is a parasite too?
however...the majority of women that get an abortion do not want a child. For a million different reasons, they decide to get rid of it. Isn't it a good thing that children aren't born into an environment where they aren't wanted?
what are your thoughts on adoption? If allllll of these babies weren't aborted, people that can't get pregnant would have the child they always wanted. seems like a perfect agreement. (but most people go to china instead)
Ah thank you cate!!! FINALLY!!!!
So what do you think the ramifications of it are? It worries me that the precedent is now set.
When I think about how much money they will spend to do this that could be spent making the morning after pill available and known about. Thus eliminating the need for more surgical terminations and in turn making the mandated ultrasound irrelevant, well it just makes my head spin at the stupidity of it. I can't help wondering if it's a beat up lobbied for by the ultrasound providers.
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I agree. I believe that the new HPV vaccine is a good thing and think it will make a huge difference to lowering the rate of cervical cancer, however I would prefer to see the government educate people about why it is a good thing and then leave the decision to the individual or as in the case of the HPV vax, their parents. Not the states. And particularly in the case of this vax because it's not like girls can catch it from girls without a boy in the middle somewhere. And boys are not being vaccinated. It is the choice of the individual not the state.
I completely agree.
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