I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.
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This is a ridiculous discussion. First of all you will not find anywhere on this planet a serious person able to tell you, for sure, what could happen to the world on a full scale nuclear world. Because, as humans, we're used to building stuff that have unknown consequences to us, consequences we can only imagine and debate on forums.
I don't know about that. We have a pretty good understanding of fall dispersion and down winds hazards. And a really good understanding of radiation. The isotopes that come from blasts. There half lives and the types of radiation they emit. So that part is not much of a mystery.
I don't totally disagree with you I just like being argumentative.
Second, the problem is not even to bring the human kind to extinction, it's the capacity of doing 10,000 times what happened in Japan : killing civilians to stop a war?? I don't want to fight over if it was legitimate, but the nuclear bomb (along with any weapon targeting civilians) is a shitty idea. It's too late now so I understand that each country needs to have some, but that many bombs? It's too bad the reduction in nuclear weapons just got out of style and is not talked about anymore today.
Yes total war is fucked up and I hope we never see it or any kind of war again.
I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.
Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....
ah yes the beauty of a culture that has decided that tibet shall be chinese. i know they say it has always been a part of china and so shall be again. but plenty of other countries throughout the world have been a part of other countries at some time during history and yet they are not being taken back by 'their mothers.'
the beauty of a culture that so vilifies girl babies that thousands upon thousands are killed simply because they were not born boys.
what kind of enlightened and cultured country are we talking about here?
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ah yes the beauty of a culture that has decided that tibet shall be chinese. i know they say it has always been a part of china and so shall be again. but plenty of other countries throughout the world have been a part of other countries at some time during history and yet they are not being taken back by 'their mothers.'
the beauty of a culture that so vilifies girl babies that thousands upon thousands are killed simply because they were not born boys.
what kind of enlightened and cultured country are we talking about here?
I don't think i could say anything that wasn't covered in my original post really,
I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.
manpower yes but technology, not even close. and our air force is 50 times that of China. but they are still a force to be reckon with.
Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....
you hatred of america is amazing. o and that civil rights record you speak of... as long as its not america doing it, human slavery is perfectly ok eh?
I don't know about that. We have a pretty good understanding of fall dispersion and down winds hazards. And a really good understanding of radiation. The isotopes that come from blasts. There half lives and the types of radiation they emit. So that part is not much of a mystery.
I don't totally disagree with you I just like being argumentative.
Ok. Well just for the sake of the argument, the neighbouring danger with massive nuclear weapons being used (apart from the immediate deaths) is the high risk to throw some places into severe earthquake activities (the power released by the bombs will be absorbed by the earth, but not without consequences), volcanic activities, tsunamis and that type of stuff. We don't know for sure, but it's arguable.
We do know how to build some very powerful stuff, the only problem is we can only imagine the consequences without any certainty.
Yes total war is fucked up and I hope we never see it or any kind of war again.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. War is something politics, businessmen and the military like to toy with. Good for them, but they should restrict to using weapons that can only affect them. The very notion behind a nuclear bomb for instance is immoral and stupid. You (not you you, but a general you) want to wage war, fine, just leave the others alone. Military vs military vs politicians (who should go to war as well), not vs civilians who generally didn't ask anything.
manpower yes but technology, not even close. and our air force is 50 times that of China. but they are still a force to be reckon with.
I personally think a war with china would mean alot of people around the world speaking chinese, especially in america.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
you hatred of america is amazing. o and that civil rights record you speak of... as long as its not america doing it, human slavery is perfectly ok eh?
Wow, its not THAT amazing tho really is it? i mean thats just your completely moot way of rubbishing things without saying anything isnt it? i may be wrong.
o and that human slavery you speak of..... did you read the thread about Burger King yet?
I agree that it's ridiculous to have all these nukes, but I thought this thread was about the military in general. I don't necessarily think of nukes when I think of our military. It seems to me like the only people who think about our nukes are the people who wish they had them or can't wait to use them.
it is about the entore military, obviouslt the most dangerous weapons have come to the front of the discussion
is Ahmedinejad. He once said something about how Bush's ego emanates through his nuclear arsenal. Bush might be a bit of a war-monger, but since when has he even given a fuck about nukes?
since he (W) authorized the updating of our arsenal and develop new nuclear weapons
me minister of France once said that he would nuke any country that sponsored a terrorist attack against French soil. Where's the hate for the prime minister of France? It's a double-standard.
i live in america, i have nothing to do with France. and if that is true, he is obviously in the wrong
think of the might of the US military, I think of smart bombs and navy seals. I don't see anything wrong with having either of those.
unless they were used against your family or neighborhood
China has been an isolationist nation for quite some time
yup. I don't ever see a war with china happening. they seem quite passive and are a force to be reckon with.
but IF that the ever came, I sure feel better that we would stand toe to toe with them and probably beat them. but they should wouldnt be able to breach our shores. contrary to spirl who thinks we will be speaking chinese. that sure gave me a good monday morning laugh.
o really? whys that? china going to march over here and take over? you say a lot of stupid things, but this could top the list.
Not sure where in my post i wrote china was coming to get you, but hey you have troubles reading what is actually written a lot of the time don't you.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
ok then tell me why the world, specifically america as you say, would be speaking chinese if we went to war?
It's a moot point, if there ever was a war against china no one (little exaggerated) would be speaking at all.
I'm not sure such a war would leave other countries as spectators, or that only conventional weapons would be used.
yup. I don't ever see a war with china happening. they seem quite passive and are a force to be reckon with.
but IF that the ever came, I sure feel better that we would stand toe to toe with them and probably beat them. but they should wouldnt be able to breach our shores. contrary to spirl who thinks we will be speaking chinese. that sure gave me a good monday morning laugh.
what good would it be to "stand toe to toe and beat them" if we destroy the planet in the process?
ok then tell me why the world, specifically america as you say, would be speaking chinese if we went to war?
Why does my not thinking america is the best offend you so much? Am i not allowed a differing opinion.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Why does my not thinking america is the best offend you so much? Am i not allowed a differing opinion.
haha i'm not offended. but I think its laughable that somehow you believe america would be speaking chinese if we went to war with them. a comment I'm still waiting for you to explain
haha i'm not offended. but I think its laughable that somehow you believe america would be speaking chinese if we went to war with them. a comment I'm still waiting for you to explain
Yes along with alot of the world is what i said jlew.
I think they are the worlds next super power.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok. Well just for the sake of the argument, the neighbouring danger with massive nuclear weapons being used (apart from the immediate deaths) is the high risk to throw some places into severe earthquake activities (the power released by the bombs will be absorbed by the earth, but not without consequences), volcanic activities, tsunamis and that type of stuff. We don't know for sure, but it's arguable.
We do know how to build some very powerful stuff, the only problem is we can only imagine the consequences without any certainty.
The earthquakes and other type consequences you mentioned are very unlikely. Most weapons are set to blast above surface for maximum effectiveness. Earth is very good shielding against such blasts. There were people in hiroshima in tunnels almost directly under ground zero that survived.
The only way I see the type of consequences you are speaking of is if massive megaton sized war heads are placed deep in faults.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. War is something politics, businessmen and the military like to toy with. Good for them, but they should restrict to using weapons that can only affect them. The very notion behind a nuclear bomb for instance is immoral and stupid. You (not you you, but a general you) want to wage war, fine, just leave the others alone. Military vs military vs politicians (who should go to war as well), not vs civilians who generally didn't ask anything.
Small tactical nukes could be very effective against only military targets. The notion of launching a megaton sized war head on Moscow or D.C. is immoral and stupid.
I am not advocating using them I am just saying that they are not only for killing cities.
On a side note the idea of war being restricted to military vs. military is recent and I would argue that it was the development of nuclear weapons is what changed the way wars were looked at and fought.
haha i'm not offended. but I think its laughable that somehow you believe america would be speaking chinese if we went to war with them. a comment I'm still waiting for you to explain
The same "laughable" when a Yank pipes up that if it wasn't for them the world would be speaking German? Yeah both are pretty funny in their own way.
Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....
what i get from this is that you have minimal principles when it comes to aligning yourself with 'the lesser of two evils'. you say that sure china has violated human rights but on a scale with the US it's basically incomparable. and it's fine cause they've hardly dont it outside its own borders. then you have a go at me by bringing up the indigenous australians and doing it in a derogatory manner, without even knowing my stance on the human rights issues of my own country.
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and who would the crowd be cheering for?;)
I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.
I don't know about that. We have a pretty good understanding of fall dispersion and down winds hazards. And a really good understanding of radiation. The isotopes that come from blasts. There half lives and the types of radiation they emit. So that part is not much of a mystery.
I don't totally disagree with you I just like being argumentative.
Yes total war is fucked up and I hope we never see it or any kind of war again.
Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....
ah yes the beauty of a culture that has decided that tibet shall be chinese. i know they say it has always been a part of china and so shall be again. but plenty of other countries throughout the world have been a part of other countries at some time during history and yet they are not being taken back by 'their mothers.'
the beauty of a culture that so vilifies girl babies that thousands upon thousands are killed simply because they were not born boys.
what kind of enlightened and cultured country are we talking about here?
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I don't think i could say anything that wasn't covered in my original post really,
how are the abo's getting on these days?
Ok. Well just for the sake of the argument, the neighbouring danger with massive nuclear weapons being used (apart from the immediate deaths) is the high risk to throw some places into severe earthquake activities (the power released by the bombs will be absorbed by the earth, but not without consequences), volcanic activities, tsunamis and that type of stuff. We don't know for sure, but it's arguable.
We do know how to build some very powerful stuff, the only problem is we can only imagine the consequences without any certainty.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. War is something politics, businessmen and the military like to toy with. Good for them, but they should restrict to using weapons that can only affect them. The very notion behind a nuclear bomb for instance is immoral and stupid. You (not you you, but a general you) want to wage war, fine, just leave the others alone. Military vs military vs politicians (who should go to war as well), not vs civilians who generally didn't ask anything.
I personally think a war with china would mean alot of people around the world speaking chinese, especially in america.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Wow, its not THAT amazing tho really is it? i mean thats just your completely moot way of rubbishing things without saying anything isnt it? i may be wrong.
o and that human slavery you speak of..... did you read the thread about Burger King yet?
no its not that amazing. you are one of the few who blatantly hate america on this board.
i knew we would agree somewhere along the line...
China has been an isolationist nation for quite some time
since he (W) authorized the updating of our arsenal and develop new nuclear weapons
i live in america, i have nothing to do with France. and if that is true, he is obviously in the wrong
unless they were used against your family or neighborhood
you missed everything else out that i wrote:( and i was looking forward to the enlightening answers too
but IF that the ever came, I sure feel better that we would stand toe to toe with them and probably beat them. but they should wouldnt be able to breach our shores. contrary to spirl who thinks we will be speaking chinese. that sure gave me a good monday morning laugh.
Not sure where in my post i wrote china was coming to get you, but hey you have troubles reading what is actually written a lot of the time don't you.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
It's a moot point, if there ever was a war against china no one (little exaggerated) would be speaking at all.
I'm not sure such a war would leave other countries as spectators, or that only conventional weapons would be used.
what good would it be to "stand toe to toe and beat them" if we destroy the planet in the process?
Why does my not thinking america is the best offend you so much? Am i not allowed a differing opinion.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
but it is a good thing that china cant come over here and make it a western province.
Yes along with alot of the world is what i said jlew.
I think they are the worlds next super power.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
in my opinion, they already are a superpower. but again, you comment s still laughable they america will be speaking chinese if we went to war
The earthquakes and other type consequences you mentioned are very unlikely. Most weapons are set to blast above surface for maximum effectiveness. Earth is very good shielding against such blasts. There were people in hiroshima in tunnels almost directly under ground zero that survived.
The only way I see the type of consequences you are speaking of is if massive megaton sized war heads are placed deep in faults.
Small tactical nukes could be very effective against only military targets. The notion of launching a megaton sized war head on Moscow or D.C. is immoral and stupid.
I am not advocating using them I am just saying that they are not only for killing cities.
On a side note the idea of war being restricted to military vs. military is recent and I would argue that it was the development of nuclear weapons is what changed the way wars were looked at and fought.
The same "laughable" when a Yank pipes up that if it wasn't for them the world would be speaking German? Yeah both are pretty funny in their own way.
the indigenous australians are treated almost with as much indifference as they always have been.
what i get from this is that you have minimal principles when it comes to aligning yourself with 'the lesser of two evils'. you say that sure china has violated human rights but on a scale with the US it's basically incomparable. and it's fine cause they've hardly dont it outside its own borders. then you have a go at me by bringing up the indigenous australians and doing it in a derogatory manner, without even knowing my stance on the human rights issues of my own country.
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