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Specifics wrote:and who would the crowd be cheering for?;)
I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...0 -
Kann wrote:This is a ridiculous discussion. First of all you will not find anywhere on this planet a serious person able to tell you, for sure, what could happen to the world on a full scale nuclear world. Because, as humans, we're used to building stuff that have unknown consequences to us, consequences we can only imagine and debate on forums.
I don't know about that. We have a pretty good understanding of fall dispersion and down winds hazards. And a really good understanding of radiation. The isotopes that come from blasts. There half lives and the types of radiation they emit. So that part is not much of a mystery.
I don't totally disagree with you I just like being argumentative.Second, the problem is not even to bring the human kind to extinction, it's the capacity of doing 10,000 times what happened in Japan : killing civilians to stop a war?? I don't want to fight over if it was legitimate, but the nuclear bomb (along with any weapon targeting civilians) is a shitty idea. It's too late now so I understand that each country needs to have some, but that many bombs? It's too bad the reduction in nuclear weapons just got out of style and is not talked about anymore today.
Yes total war is fucked up and I hope we never see it or any kind of war again.Peace through superior firepower!0 -
Songburst wrote:I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.
Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....0 -
Specifics wrote:Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....
ah yes the beauty of a culture that has decided that tibet shall be chinese. i know they say it has always been a part of china and so shall be again. but plenty of other countries throughout the world have been a part of other countries at some time during history and yet they are not being taken back by 'their mothers.'
the beauty of a culture that so vilifies girl babies that thousands upon thousands are killed simply because they were not born boys.
what kind of enlightened and cultured country are we talking about here?hear my name
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catefrances wrote:ah yes the beauty of a culture that has decided that tibet shall be chinese. i know they say it has always been a part of china and so shall be again. but plenty of other countries throughout the world have been a part of other countries at some time during history and yet they are not being taken back by 'their mothers.'
the beauty of a culture that so vilifies girl babies that thousands upon thousands are killed simply because they were not born boys.
what kind of enlightened and cultured country are we talking about here?
I don't think i could say anything that wasn't covered in my original post really,
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manpower yes but technology, not even close. and our air force is 50 times that of China. but they are still a force to be reckon with.Songburst wrote:I would still cheer for the US, but China has the same technology available as the Americans and 100 times the manpower, so the US would get decimated. If China really went rogue, it would take the entire world to shut it down.0 -
you hatred of america is amazing. o and that civil rights record you speak of... as long as its not america doing it, human slavery is perfectly ok eh?Specifics wrote:Fuck that, i'd be wearing a silk suit and squinting a lot. China has some dodgy civil rights records for sure, but i've never seen it fuck with anything much outside its own border, and the beauty of its culture far outweighs anything i've seen from the US (which also doesnt have a spotless civil rights record).
Oh but we dream, so....0 -
ProvidenceHunter wrote:I don't know about that. We have a pretty good understanding of fall dispersion and down winds hazards. And a really good understanding of radiation. The isotopes that come from blasts. There half lives and the types of radiation they emit. So that part is not much of a mystery.
I don't totally disagree with you I just like being argumentative.
Ok. Well just for the sake of the argument, the neighbouring danger with massive nuclear weapons being used (apart from the immediate deaths) is the high risk to throw some places into severe earthquake activities (the power released by the bombs will be absorbed by the earth, but not without consequences), volcanic activities, tsunamis and that type of stuff. We don't know for sure, but it's arguable.
We do know how to build some very powerful stuff, the only problem is we can only imagine the consequences without any certainty.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. War is something politics, businessmen and the military like to toy with. Good for them, but they should restrict to using weapons that can only affect them. The very notion behind a nuclear bomb for instance is immoral and stupid. You (not you you, but a general you) want to wage war, fine, just leave the others alone. Military vs military vs politicians (who should go to war as well), not vs civilians who generally didn't ask anything.Yes total war is fucked up and I hope we never see it or any kind of war again.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:manpower yes but technology, not even close. and our air force is 50 times that of China. but they are still a force to be reckon with.
I personally think a war with china would mean alot of people around the world speaking chinese, especially in america.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:you hatred of america is amazing. o and that civil rights record you speak of... as long as its not america doing it, human slavery is perfectly ok eh?
Wow, its not THAT amazing tho really is it? i mean thats just your completely moot way of rubbishing things without saying anything isnt it? i may be wrong.
o and that human slavery you speak of..... did you read the thread about Burger King yet?0 -
o really? whys that? china going to march over here and take over? you say a lot of stupid things, but this could top the list.spiral out wrote:I personally think a war with china would mean alot of people around the world speaking chinese, especially in america.0 -
it is about the entore military, obviouslt the most dangerous weapons have come to the front of the discussionsponger wrote:I agree that it's ridiculous to have all these nukes, but I thought this thread was about the military in general. I don't necessarily think of nukes when I think of our military. It seems to me like the only people who think about our nukes are the people who wish they had them or can't wait to use them.
since he (W) authorized the updating of our arsenal and develop new nuclear weaponsis Ahmedinejad. He once said something about how Bush's ego emanates through his nuclear arsenal. Bush might be a bit of a war-monger, but since when has he even given a fuck about nukes?
i live in america, i have nothing to do with France. and if that is true, he is obviously in the wrongme minister of France once said that he would nuke any country that sponsored a terrorist attack against French soil. Where's the hate for the prime minister of France? It's a double-standard.
unless they were used against your family or neighborhoodthink of the might of the US military, I think of smart bombs and navy seals. I don't see anything wrong with having either of those.0 -
yup. I don't ever see a war with china happening. they seem quite passive and are a force to be reckon with.my2hands wrote:i knew we would agree somewhere along the line...
China has been an isolationist nation for quite some time
but IF that the ever came, I sure feel better that we would stand toe to toe with them and probably beat them. but they should wouldnt be able to breach our shores. contrary to spirl who thinks we will be speaking chinese. that sure gave me a good monday morning laugh.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:o really? whys that? china going to march over here and take over? you say a lot of stupid things, but this could top the list.
Not sure where in my post i wrote china was coming to get you, but hey you have troubles reading what is actually written a lot of the time don't you.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.0 -
ok then tell me why the world, specifically america as you say, would be speaking chinese if we went to war?spiral out wrote:Not sure where in my post i wrote china was coming to get you, but hey you have troubles reading what is actually written a lot of the time don't you.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:ok then tell me why the world, specifically america as you say, would be speaking chinese if we went to war?
It's a moot point, if there ever was a war against china no one (little exaggerated) would be speaking at all.
I'm not sure such a war would leave other countries as spectators, or that only conventional weapons would be used.0
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