why can't we even contain a small country like iraq then?
Because no military is capable of operating in the middle of a Civil War. Like I said, if used PROPERLY our military is a great asset. Don't blame the US military for fighting a war that can't be won. Blame the idiots who put them in that position.
have we won the war then? what does that necessarily mean?
won the war? at this point I dont know what mission of this war. was it to defeat saddam? then yes we won the war. is it to build a democracy in the middle east? then we failed miserably.
won the war? at this point I dont know what mission of this war. was it to defeat saddam? then yes we won the war. is it to build a democracy in the middle east? then we failed miserably.
Don't forget about not finding the WMD. That had some egg on some people's faces. Remember how Saddam had missile silos on the go in Canada and Mexico and the US's fate was almost in his hands. Yeah, those stories were sweet.
Don't forget about not finding the WMD. That had some egg on some people's faces. Remember how Saddam had missile silos on the go in Canada and Mexico and the US's fate was almost in his hands. Yeah, those stories were sweet.
What stories are them, dude(tte)? is that for real?
The US uses its large military to maintain global hegemony. After, the second world war the US has been able to do this through economic controls (like the IMF and the World Bank) over weaker nations. More recently economic power houses have emerged in other areas of the world (like the EU and Southeast and East Asia), which challenged US economic domination. In some sense the US military actions are used to maintain a form of hegemony it seems to have lost.
Out of the Blue and Into the Black................Uncle Neil Philly 08 here I come!!!!
Don't forget about not finding the WMD. That had some egg on some people's faces. Remember how Saddam had missile silos on the go in Canada and Mexico and the US's fate was almost in his hands. Yeah, those stories were sweet.
We are developing new nuclear weapons because the old ones cost a crap ton of money to maintain. The news one are easier and cheaper to maintain.
We are also building them because the military is operating of the model of a new power equal to the US in military strength and capability arising in 2020.
If you take a brief look at history you will notice that after every war the US has been in we fucked up and gutted military spending then when a new threat came along the military was unprepaired in size and technology. How man people died because of this. This is important because it shows that having a small poorly funded military did not lead to peace. War still came.
We are developing new nuclear weapons because the old ones cost a crap ton of money to maintain. The news one are easier and cheaper to maintain.
We are also building them because the military is operating of the model of a new power equal to the US in military strength and capability arising in 2020.
If you take a brief look at history you will notice that after every war the US has been in we fucked up and gutted military spending then when a new threat came along the military was unprepaired in size and technology. How man people died because of this. This is important because it shows that having a small poorly funded military did not lead to peace. War still came.
I have no idea what history you're talking about, what wars came? when did people get killed because of a weakened us military?
Try to imagine what this planet would look like if nobody had ever developed nuclear arms. In my opinion it would be a complete mess. The only reason the Cold War stayed cold was the threat of nuclear conflict. We'd probably be entering World War 4 right about now if it wasn't for nuclear weapons and the fear they inflict. For some reason most people have forgotten just how violent the first half of the 20th century was. You could argue that the last 60 years have been the most peaceful in human history. That's amazing when you think about what's taken place these last six decades. Shrinking natural resources, overpopulation and a long list of lunatic leaders. A large reason for this peace is the US military and the fear it's created around the world. I look at the first Gulf War as a perfect example of this. We basically destroyed an Iraqi military that was supposed to be formidable in about a week. Don't you think that other countries took notice of this? Of course they did. Us being the force we are has deterred more confilcts than most people realize. It's a shame the idiots in power have completely misused this power the last 5 years. Because if used properly our military is the greatest peace keeping force on the planet.
I never said that they shouldn't have developed nuclear weapons, mostly because I know that will open a whole can of worms with the obvious question "What about world war II". I'm saying it's ridiculous for there to be enough nuclear weapons that can wipe us all out, and then half of us out again. Even from a conservative business man standpoint, that's bad business.
Ever???? When you hear the saying that "the sun never went down on the British Empire". That dosen't strike you as the best military ever? Just some fodder for the pipe.
Hey. Your my friend but have you tried to 'Wikipedia' the words 'British Empire'? Seriously!? Very interesting points made by all though.
I like Americans but... I hate to say it... sorry...sorry... as a country, you need to watch your asses. America is not much liked around the rest of the world and Bush hasn't helped. You will not be the highest power for much longer. People do say 'attack is the best form of defence' though.
your joking right. your advocating for having the worlds strongest military to prevent mexico from invading us?
when you really think about it, the self defense thing loses weight quickly. considering no one is a threat to invade us, and their really is no good reason to invade us. just as no one has invaded the erupoean countries with minimal military.
if we are the best country, then we lead by example. the current example we are setting is militarization and pre-emtpive war, littering the planet with weapons of unspeakable devastating power. we should be doing the exact opposite, leading this planet into a new era of awareness and progress.
yeap... Canada has shit for military....are we worried?...fuck no. Not even from the United States which is the greatest threat going so far... Paranoia is not one of our active hobbies. We figure be nice and people will like you...so far so good...what a stunning concept...
however if we do go to war with anyone it will be to fight off the US from invading us. Go figure...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ahh yes...the infamous republican diatribe...what a piece of work... straight from the mouths of idiots with bruised ego's. boo hoo for the fragile republican ego...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
no one is a threat to invade us???? That's a joke, right?? Start dismantling the naval and air force which the US has put together and I'm sure that there will be plenty of countries lining up to try to create instability and fear in this country.... hell some are already trying even with all the military might we have.
you guys keep repeating the paranoid rhetoric that some foreign monster will invade us if we didnt have a military, or at least a VERY reduced one, but you havent given any examples. not one credible example of who would be a threat to invade us, and why would they do that? and please dont say "because they hate us" that is certainly not a reason a country is going to invade a country
ps... i will even acknowledge alaska would be the easiest, and possibly the ONLY target
the funny thing is all these smart arm chair generals still havent figured out or military is not for defense or "self defense". it is for aggression. we are the ones doing the aggresive invading and pre emptive strikes for control of resources and economic intertests. yet they see it the complete opposite way and think we are the ones that are a threat to BE invaded. that we maintian our military to "protect" us... what a crock of shit, and people still suck that shit up like cherry kool aid :rolleyes:
how many times do I have to go over this. read my previous posts.
you have not answered it. you said mexico and canada. then i feel out of my chair laughing. and then you agreed that was a bit of a stretch.
so i am still waiting for examples of threats to invade us? and what justifies spending $1 trillion a year on the worlds greatest killing machine?
the only 2 countries you could list with a straight face are russia and china. china has no navy and is historically isolationist. and russia has its won problems to worry about, let alone invading and occupying a large country like the US for no reason?
you cant give an example.
jlew, please dont dismiss this. really think about it for a while dude.
you have not answered it. you said mexico and canada. then i feel out of my chair laughing. and then you agreed that was a bit of a stretch.
so i am still waiting for examples of threats to invade us? and what justifies spending $1 trillion a year on the worlds greatest killing machine?
I didnt say canada. you did. I said mexico because they have fought a war with us in the past. and if drug loards take over the country one day, who knows.
but thats besides the point, I dont think anyone would "invade" us. but why leave ourselves vulnerable to attack with waek or no defense system.
enjoy being a pussy on your own time, I would rather live in a country that can defend itself and I have no problem being the strongest.
thats said, I still think we spend too much and shouldnt have nukes.
I didnt say canada. you did. I said mexico because they have fought a war with us in the past. and if drug loards take over the country one day, who knows.
but thats besides the point, I dont think anyone would "invade" us. but why leave ourselves vulnerable to attack with waek or no defense system.
enjoy being a pussy on your own time, I would rather live in a country that can defend itself and I have no problem being the strongest.
thats said, I still think we spend too much and shouldnt have nukes.
A pussy?? I've always thought the guys who needed to pick a up a big bad weapon to feel safe were the real pussies. It takes much more courage to live without fear.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I didnt say canada. you did. I said mexico because they have fought a war with us in the past. and if drug loards take over the country one day, who knows.
so mexican drug lords is your best answer? wow!
but thats besides the point, I dont think anyone would "invade" us. but why leave ourselves vulernatble to attack with no defense system.
if no one will invade us then we cant be vulnerable. the 2 dont go together
enjoy being a pussy on your own time,
actually your the one being the pussy chief. paranoid that some big bad boogey man country is going to invade us and take us over. in my experiences it is always the loudest guy that talks tough and acts tough that is the pussy. small dogs bark, big dogs bite.
I would rather live in a country that can defend itself and I have no problem being the strongest.
again, we do not use the military to defend ourselves. we use it aggresively to invade and control countries. that i cannot support. so please stop with the "self defense" bullshit. we are the previously mentioned boogy man invading other countries.
thats said, I still think we spend too much and shouldnt have nukes.
we agree on that.
since when did americans get so fucking scared? people really think that we could be invaded at any minute?
jlew. so far you have to answered the question. you have said maybe i want to be a pussy and that mexican drug lords might invade us. but you have not even come close to justifying our insane militarization and littering the planet with weapons. you cant justify it, thats why. there is no solid and logical justification.
the real answer is we want to dominate the planet with our military. it is not for defense. it is purely all offense. and that i cannot support. bully's tend to be the biggest pussies
the only 2 countries you could list with a straight face are russia and china. china has no navy and is historically isolationist. and russia has its won problems to worry about, let alone invading and occupying a large country like the US for no reason?
you cant give an example.
jlew, please dont dismiss this. really think about it for a while dude.
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The public wants a nice clean war. You should reduce the place to a parking lot.
mission accomplished.
Because no military is capable of operating in the middle of a Civil War. Like I said, if used PROPERLY our military is a great asset. Don't blame the US military for fighting a war that can't be won. Blame the idiots who put them in that position.
have we won the war then? what does that necessarily mean?
Then you land on an aircraft carrier and declare the above statement. Not a moment too early followed by an ooops.
Don't forget about not finding the WMD. That had some egg on some people's faces. Remember how Saddam had missile silos on the go in Canada and Mexico and the US's fate was almost in his hands. Yeah, those stories were sweet.
What stories are them, dude(tte)? is that for real?
After the WMD, the rest is just funning.
Oh ok, good funning but would have been even funnier truth. guess thats why its good funning huh;)
maybe you forgot...
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We are also building them because the military is operating of the model of a new power equal to the US in military strength and capability arising in 2020.
If you take a brief look at history you will notice that after every war the US has been in we fucked up and gutted military spending then when a new threat came along the military was unprepaired in size and technology. How man people died because of this. This is important because it shows that having a small poorly funded military did not lead to peace. War still came.
I have no idea what history you're talking about, what wars came? when did people get killed because of a weakened us military?
I never said that they shouldn't have developed nuclear weapons, mostly because I know that will open a whole can of worms with the obvious question "What about world war II". I'm saying it's ridiculous for there to be enough nuclear weapons that can wipe us all out, and then half of us out again. Even from a conservative business man standpoint, that's bad business.
Hey. Your my friend but have you tried to 'Wikipedia' the words 'British Empire'? Seriously!? Very interesting points made by all though.
I like Americans but... I hate to say it... sorry...sorry... as a country, you need to watch your asses. America is not much liked around the rest of the world and Bush hasn't helped. You will not be the highest power for much longer. People do say 'attack is the best form of defence' though.
yeap... Canada has shit for military....are we worried?...fuck no. Not even from the United States which is the greatest threat going so far... Paranoia is not one of our active hobbies. We figure be nice and people will like you...so far so good...what a stunning concept...
however if we do go to war with anyone it will be to fight off the US from invading us. Go figure...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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WWI
WWII
At the beginning of both of those wars our military was ill equipped and under manned. Soldiers got killed because of a weakened military.
After war you should cut some military spending after a war but not to the extent the US did and probably will do after this war.
Study US military history.
Ahh yes...the infamous republican diatribe...what a piece of work... straight from the mouths of idiots with bruised ego's. boo hoo for the fragile republican ego...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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you guys keep repeating the paranoid rhetoric that some foreign monster will invade us if we didnt have a military, or at least a VERY reduced one, but you havent given any examples. not one credible example of who would be a threat to invade us, and why would they do that? and please dont say "because they hate us" that is certainly not a reason a country is going to invade a country
ps... i will even acknowledge alaska would be the easiest, and possibly the ONLY target
vulnerable to who? and for what reasons?
because is used to be Mexico
the funny thing is all these smart arm chair generals still havent figured out or military is not for defense or "self defense". it is for aggression. we are the ones doing the aggresive invading and pre emptive strikes for control of resources and economic intertests. yet they see it the complete opposite way and think we are the ones that are a threat to BE invaded. that we maintian our military to "protect" us... what a crock of shit, and people still suck that shit up like cherry kool aid :rolleyes:
you have not answered it. you said mexico and canada. then i feel out of my chair laughing. and then you agreed that was a bit of a stretch.
so i am still waiting for examples of threats to invade us? and what justifies spending $1 trillion a year on the worlds greatest killing machine?
the only 2 countries you could list with a straight face are russia and china. china has no navy and is historically isolationist. and russia has its won problems to worry about, let alone invading and occupying a large country like the US for no reason?
you cant give an example.
jlew, please dont dismiss this. really think about it for a while dude.
I didnt say canada. you did. I said mexico because they have fought a war with us in the past. and if drug loards take over the country one day, who knows.
but thats besides the point, I dont think anyone would "invade" us. but why leave ourselves vulnerable to attack with waek or no defense system.
enjoy being a pussy on your own time, I would rather live in a country that can defend itself and I have no problem being the strongest.
thats said, I still think we spend too much and shouldnt have nukes.
A pussy?? I've always thought the guys who needed to pick a up a big bad weapon to feel safe were the real pussies. It takes much more courage to live without fear.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
if no one will invade us then we cant be vulnerable. the 2 dont go together
actually your the one being the pussy chief. paranoid that some big bad boogey man country is going to invade us and take us over. in my experiences it is always the loudest guy that talks tough and acts tough that is the pussy. small dogs bark, big dogs bite. again, we do not use the military to defend ourselves. we use it aggresively to invade and control countries. that i cannot support. so please stop with the "self defense" bullshit. we are the previously mentioned boogy man invading other countries.
we agree on that.
since when did americans get so fucking scared? people really think that we could be invaded at any minute?
jlew. so far you have to answered the question. you have said maybe i want to be a pussy and that mexican drug lords might invade us. but you have not even come close to justifying our insane militarization and littering the planet with weapons. you cant justify it, thats why. there is no solid and logical justification.
the real answer is we want to dominate the planet with our military. it is not for defense. it is purely all offense. and that i cannot support. bully's tend to be the biggest pussies
you cant give an example.
jlew, please dont dismiss this. really think about it for a while dude.