more kids shot in US schools... awesome gun laws!!!

dunkman

so cool.... guns are the awesomest!!!!

they should advertise them for sale with the slogan

"for those of you who cant get erections, throw away the Viagra and buy a fucking gun"


bunch of pussies hiding behind guns... penile extensions for those fuckheads that need them!!


so as yet more innocent children die, there faces splattered against the blackboard, rest assured that you have that small pistol beside in order to form that militia, if the need arise, to take on your government.... you'll be too fucking busy to form a militia anyway, theres a lot of schools in America and they'll take a while to target!!

blackredyellow

there are laws against speeding on the highway... those work so well too...

Lizard

blackredyellow wrote:

there are laws against speeding on the highway... those work so well too...

And drugs too!!

I am NOT pro-guns BUT even if they were outlawed, I think the "bad guys" would still get them.

dunkman

blackredyellow wrote:

there are laws against speeding on the highway... those work so well too...

thats so true... sir you are a genius!!!


i remember the last time i went past 60 here in the UK and mowed down 4 people.... it too was awesome!

there are also rules for lots of things... guns doesnt seem to be one of them

humanlight

I hear a lot of bitching and complaining, but what is the answer? How did children suddenly start shooting each other about a decade ago?

Here are the most popular theries:

1. Teachers at schools cannot address bully's b/c there are too many kids and schools are no longer personal
2. Guns in the home
3 Violent video games
4. Children of divorced parents and parents no longer communicate to know what the child is doing at the others home
5. Media for overexposing
6 Music b/c it promotes violence
7. Placing children on meds and diagnosing them with disorders much longer to take away personal responsibility.


Well studies do show this:
Children do better if they feel like when they miss school....they will miss something important, or someone important will miss them.

therover

I am Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod.

There can be only one!


Sorry, the only way to stop this is to ban humans.

blackredyellow

dunkman1974 wrote:

thats so true... sir you are a genius!!!


i remember the last time i went past 60 here in the UK and mowed down 4 people.... it too was awesome!

there are also rules for lots of things... guns doesnt seem to be one of them

The are many laws about about guns too. My point was that laws against guns, speeding, drugs, etc are impossible to enforce.

Here's a question for you... say tomorrow the US makes owning and using any gun illegal... how would this help when there are millions of guns already in circulation?

dunkman

humanlight wrote:

I hear a lot of bitching and complaining, but what is the answer? How did children suddenly start shooting each other about a decade ago?

Here are the most popular theries:

1. Teachers at schools cannot address bully's b/c there are too many kids and schools are no longer personal
2. Guns in the home
3 Violent video games
4. Children of divorced parents and parents no longer communicate to know what the child is doing at the others home
5. Media for overexposing
6 Music b/c it promotes violence
7. Placing children on meds and diagnosing them with disorders much longer to take away personal responsibility.


Well studies do show this:
Children do better if they feel like when they miss school....they will miss something important, or someone important will miss them.

if you take away theory number 2 then all you get is a load of kids who like stabbing rabbits and will probably have no friends as well as hating their parents (most teenagers then!) add no.2 and the recipe for carnage is complete

death

1 gun
1 fucked up kid
1 mental reason for slaying

bake for 17 years and there it is

if you take away the gun, all you have is one severely depressed scone

dunkman

therover wrote:

I am Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod.

There can be only one!


Sorry, the only way to stop this is to ban humans.

worst post i've ever read on this forum... and i've read a lot of Pychosinlove's posts

humanlight

The point of my post before is that kids need to feel like people at school miss them if they are not there. they need to feel part of that school, and like if they are not there, then something exciting happened they did not get to be a part of.

If you like sports, then practice.
If you like grades, then tutoring, or academic bowl.
If you like clubs, then the chess, SADD, club missed you.
If you like skating, then the guys during lunch missed your tricks.
If you like music, the person beside you bad wondered where you were., etc.

Guns were around at the beggining of this country. What is missing now is personal moments with one another. the schools are so large that teacher do not know the students. And who become teachers? People who liked school to begin with, so they automatically relate to the kids who like school today. Again, the "odd" kids are left out.

thankyougrandma

blackredyellow wrote:

The are many laws about about guns too. My point was that laws against guns, speeding, drugs, etc are impossible to enforce.

Here's a question for you... say tomorrow the US makes owning and using any gun illegal... how would this help when there are millions of guns already in circulation?

Here's just an opinion:
First stop the society belief that guns are great, would be a huge step, then disarm the population (handguns, machine guns, semi auto.), those who want guns in a field or to hunt, would be able to do so UNDER VERY STRICT laws, i don't know those laws, but some country like Sweden (if i'm not mistaken) have some very usefull gun policy and law.

I don't think it would prevent every crimes, but having stricter laws can reduce the number of guns in circulation and could help to say to kids (who become adults) that guns are not exactly something cool, could be good.

In the case of school shootings there's a whole society problem surrounding it, but guns are definitly a part of it and even if not all the blame goes to guns laws (or the lack of it), it would be stupid to say that guns are not a problem at all.

dunkman

thankyougrandma wrote:

Here's just an opinion:
First stop the society belief that guns are great, would be a huge step, then disarm the population (handguns, machine guns, semi auto.), those who want guns in a field or to hunt, would be able to do so UNDER VERY STRICT laws, i don't know those laws, but some country like Sweden (if i'm not mistaken) have some very usefull gun policy and law.

I don't think it would prevent every crimes, but having stricter laws can reduce the number of guns in circulation and could help to say to kids (who become adults) that guns are not exactly something cool, could be good.

In the case of school shootings there's a whole society problem surrounding it, but guns are definitly a part of it and even if not all the blame goes to guns laws (or the lack of it), it would be stupid to say that guns are not a problem at all.

great post

blackredyellow

thankyougrandma wrote:

Here's just an opinion:
First stop the society belief that guns are great, would be a huge step, then disarm the population (handguns, machine guns, semi auto.), those who want guns in a field or to hunt, would be able to do so UNDER VERY STRICT laws, i don't know those laws, but some country like Sweden (if i'm not mistaken) have some very usefull gun policy and law.

I don't think it would prevent every crimes, but having stricter laws can reduce the number of guns in circulation and could help to say to kids (who become adults) that guns are not exactly something cool, could be good.

In the case of school shootings there's a whole society problem surrounding it, but guns are definitly a part of it and even if not all the blame goes to guns laws (or the lack of it), it would be stupid to say that guns are not a problem at all.

I don't disagree with your approach as an idea, but the million dollar question is how?

how do you stop the belief that guns are great? With all of the tv, movies, video games, music, the news, etc. that show guns in a positive light, short of censorship, how do we change that belief?

how do you disarm the public? There has to be millions of registered and unregistered guns out there, how do you get them off the people? do you knock on the door and just take thousands of dollars worth of guns from people? or do you buy them back? and if so where does that money come from?

NCfan

thankyougrandma wrote:

Here's just an opinion:
First stop the society belief that guns are great, would be a huge step, then disarm the population (handguns, machine guns, semi auto.), those who want guns in a field or to hunt, would be able to do so UNDER VERY STRICT laws, i don't know those laws, but some country like Sweden (if i'm not mistaken) have some very usefull gun policy and law.

I don't think it would prevent every crimes, but having stricter laws can reduce the number of guns in circulation and could help to say to kids (who become adults) that guns are not exactly something cool, could be good.

In the case of school shootings there's a whole society problem surrounding it, but guns are definitly a part of it and even if not all the blame goes to guns laws (or the lack of it), it would be stupid to say that guns are not a problem at all.

Guns are NOT the problem. They are prolific tools for killing, but it's the person who pulls the trigger that is the problem.

Far too many people are responsible with guns than are irresponsible. Just like cars, drugs... etc. I think people doing these fucked up deeds is more a product of living in our times than it is easy access to guns.

It's our society, not our gun laws.

dunkman

NCfan wrote:

Guns are NOT the problem..

they are a major part of the problem otherwise all you get is a disgruntled moron shouting bang at people... it doesnt quite have the same effect...

so with a gun the person becomes a killer, without he becomes a nobody

thankyougrandma

NCfan wrote:

Guns are NOT the problem. They are prolific tools for killing, but it's the person who pulls the trigger that is the problem.

Far too many people are responsible with guns than are irresponsible. Just like cars, drugs... etc. I think people doing these fucked up deeds is more a product of living in our times than it is easy access to guns.

It's our society, not our gun laws.

"guns are NOT the problem"

guns are PART of the problem, read my post again, no "cars blablabla" "guns don't kill blabla", it's irrelevant to me, i see no point of arguing with you, sorry...

blackredyellow

dunkman1974 wrote:

they are a major part of the problem otherwise all you get is a disgruntled moron shouting bang at people... it doesnt quite have the same effect...

so with a gun the person becomes a killer, without he becomes a nobody

People don't kill each other with knives, hammers, cars, fists, explosives, etc.?

thankyougrandma

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't disagree with your approach as an idea, but the million dollar question is how?

how do you stop the belief that guns are great? With all of the tv, movies, video games, music, the news, etc. that show guns in a positive light, short of censorship, how do we change that belief?

how do you disarm the public? There has to be millions of registered and unregistered guns out there, how do you get them off the people? do you knock on the door and just take thousands of dollars worth of guns from people? or do you buy them back? and if so where does that money come from?

well, tv, movies, video games, music, news etc., are not the problem in my opinion, but the fact that nobody told those kids that Grand Theft Auto was a game and Rambo a movie, and should not be repeated in real life.

I've played with G.I. Joes all of my youth, i've watched Rambos and all those ninjas and war movies while i was a teen, i've watched Nightmare on Elm Street I and Jason 2-3 around 20 times each, i've later played Grand Theft Auto and most of the violent video games, i've listen to most of the violent music out there (now and as a teen), so why i'm I not a killer? Is it because i hate guns in the first place? I can't answer that.

About disarming the public and the money to be invested, it would be colossal, it would be a major society change, something politicians should be elected on to have the power to conduct those changes, it would cost a lot and would probably mean some heavy reform in some programs (military in the states, as an example). Anyway even if i think it should happen or at least should be try, i don't think it WILL happen.

humanlight

dunkman1974 wrote:

they are a major part of the problem otherwise all you get is a disgruntled moron shouting bang at people... it doesnt quite have the same effect...

so with a gun the person becomes a killer, without he becomes a nobody

the problem is not the guns, it is that we have disgruntled children!!! We need to fix that. We need to show children that we care! Not let them be pissed off and no one notices. they need to feel loved and cared about. Fix that, not the guns.

thankyougrandma

humanlight wrote:

the problem is not the guns, it is that we have disgruntled children!!! We need to fix that. We need to show children that we care! Not let them be pissed off and no one notices. they need to feel loved and cared about. Fix that, not the guns.

fix both... a disturbed kids don't go on a shooting rampage if he don't have access to a gun, please don't bring me the car argument...

dunkman

blackredyellow wrote:

People don't kill each other with knives, hammers, cars, fists, explosives, etc.?

that old chestnut....

UK: we're going to get rid of nuclear weapons
US: but why?
UK: they kill and maim hundreds of thousands of people
US: so do toasters
UK: ok, we'll keep them then... with that kind of logic who are we to argue!