Out of wedlock births hit new high in US

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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    It's pathetic to show compassion? The victim can go to heaven as well, but it is their choice.


    you're not showing compassion though.. you're showing disgust, repugnance, et al... but not compassion
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Scratchin a Letter
    Scratchin a Letter Posts: 2,303
    Oh dear. Another American article detailing the importance of marriage. What difference does a piece of paper and a ring make? That doesn't automatically mean that a child will be more loved or looked after. Sometimes marriage works (speaking as a child of parents married for nearly 24 years), and sometimes it doesn't.

    Every time I hear a US journalist, politician, pundit or religious leader going on about marriage being of such magnitude, I laugh, because it's coming from a country with the second highest divorce rate in the world.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    you're not showing compassion though.. you're showing disgust, repugnance, et al... but not compassion

    It's not disgust or repugnance to think this is pathetic. Look - I volunteer at a distribution center that gives household items and food to poor people - of which a disproportionately large percentage are single parents. I can show compassion and still feel that it's pathetic, selfish and uncaring to have kids outside of wedlock. I see the kids that come through there and it really is pathetic.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Scratchin a Letter wrote:
    Oh dear. Another American article detailing the importance of marriage. What difference does a piece of paper and a ring make? That doesn't automatically mean that a child will be more loved or looked after. Sometimes marriage works (speaking as a child of parents married for nearly 24 years), and sometimes it doesn't.

    Every time I hear a US journalist, politician, pundit or religious leader going on about marriage being of such magnitude, I laugh, because it's coming from a country with the second highest divorce rate in the world.

    Marriage is not a guarantee, but most people agree the chances are that the kids will have two parents at home is just a bit higher at least.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    You don't seem to be very open to letting me live thinking that this is pathetic.

    what the fuck????

    you start a thread calling people having children out of wedlock pathetic?

    can i not defend the very people you are calling pathetic... seeing as how i have a family member who is a very very good single parent... people get along and some people find out after 3 years they dont.... marriage magicaly make people stay together under some draconian spell... if people are married or not, and they end up not getting on then they'll split!
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Staceb10 wrote:


    Maybe women should stop spreading their legs for men if they don't want a child.

    Careful, this kind of common sense will get you blasted around these parts.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    Marriage is not a guarantee, but most people agree the chances are that the kids will have two parents at home is just a bit higher at least.


    you'' find that most of those 'most people' are aged 40-50, married, go to church, wear beige clothes and always have sex under the duvet with the light out.

    I'm with the minority in this instance... thankfully
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,961
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    you'' find that most of those 'most people' are aged 40-50, married, go to church, wear beige clothes and always have sex under the duvet with the light out.

    I'm with the minority in this instance... thankfully

    What's wrong with beige?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    what the fuck????

    you start a thread calling people having children out of wedlock pathetic?

    can i not defend the very people you are calling pathetic... seeing as how i have a family member who is a very very good single parent... people get along and some people find out after 3 years they dont.... marriage magicaly make people stay together under some draconian spell... if people are married or not, and they end up not getting on then they'll split!

    Try to stay on point, will you? The comment of mine you were quoting here was in reference to you trying to claim you are not being a hypocrite. You said that you think people should live as they want to, yet you have a big problem with me thinking that it's pathetic to have children out of wedlock. In other words, you're only OK with letting people live like they want to if they agree with your viewpoints.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    you'' find that most of those 'most people' are aged 40-50, married, go to church, wear beige clothes and always have sex under the duvet with the light out.

    I'm with the minority in this instance... thankfully

    I find that my brother who has children out of wedlock and who is none of those things you describe except that he goes to church, would agree with me wholeheartedly.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Staceb10
    Staceb10 Posts: 675
    cornnifer wrote:
    Careful, this kind of common sense will get you blasted around these parts.



    Well that wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last. :D
  • Dino283
    Dino283 Posts: 81
    i gotta side with the liberal's on this one.when my girl friend got pregnent we were only young and her folk's made us get married.but we wernet happy and in the end i got a divorce. I think it make's it more profound when a kid gets born into wedlock, but still if u aint happy then it aint the end of the world.i still love my boy no matter what,and his mom love him too. BUt if i went back in time we'd never gone got married. And it cost me a bomb too.
    I’d thank my lucky stars,
    to be livin here today.
    ‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
    and they can’t take that away.

    And I’m proud to be an American,
    where at least I know I’m free.
    And I wont forget the men who died,
    who gave that right to me.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    cincybearcat wrote:
    What's wrong with beige?


    merely by asking that question puts you in the category i mentioned above ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,961
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    merely by asking that question puts you in the category i mentioned above ;)


    I'm only 30, don't go to church, will have sex wherever and whenever I can get it (responsibly of course) and I only discovered what a duvet was about 3 years ago...but I do wear a bunch of beige...especially during the work week. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Dino283 wrote:
    i gotta side with the liberal's on this one.when my girl friend got pregnent we were only young and her folk's made us get married.but we wernet happy and in the end i got a divorce. I think it make's it more profound when a kid gets born into wedlock, but still if u aint happy then it aint the end of the world.i still love my boy no matter what,and his mom love him too. BUt if i went back in time we'd never gone got married. And it cost me a bomb too.

    See - this is what I'm talking about. You say that if you went back in time, you would have never gotten married.

    Yet - what you should probably say is that if you went back in time you should have not conceived a child at that time.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    know1 wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/11/21/unmarried.births.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

    I think this is pathetic. Are people really this self-centered? And please do not tell me that abortion is the good alternative, because that isn't working either.

    oh my goodness...this is terrible...!!

    I wonder, what's is you solution...? how do we "fix" this so-called problem..?

    I would like to know how the hispanic numbers may have skewed the final numbers...also, I wonder if some, like me, are happy living with another, and do see the need for a marriage certificate...

    Also, I see this focus on unwed mothers as another way to legislate morality, because we all know, "sex is bad, mmmmkay"...
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    inmytree wrote:
    oh my goodness...this is terrible...!!

    I wonder, what's is you solution...? how do we "fix" this so-called problem..?

    I would like to know how the hispanic numbers may have skewed the final numbers...also, I wonder if some, like me, are happy living with another, and do see the need for a marriage certificate...

    Also, I see this focus on unwed mothers as another way to legislate morality, because we all know, "sex is bad, mmmmkay"...

    Sex isn't necessarily bad, but getting pregnant (or getting someone pregnant) when you're not ready for it is bad.

    I don't know how to stop it or even slow it down. I do have some ideas that involve welfare and other enabling or even encouraging of this behavior, but I'm sure those would get blasted as being uncaring.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    Try to stay on point, will you? The comment of mine you were quoting here was in reference to you trying to claim you are not being a hypocrite. You said that you think people should live as they want to, yet you have a big problem with me thinking that it's pathetic to have children out of wedlock. In other words, you're only OK with letting people live like they want to if they agree with your viewpoints.

    you think people having kids out of wedlock makes them pathetic..

    i think you should let people live as they want... ergo i'm going to argue with you as you arent allowing them, by your comments, to live as they want! its not that i'm not letting you live as you want, its that you are hindering my ideal of everyone living as they choose!

    and i am letting you live as you want.. i'm not attempting to stop you commenting... i just dont agree with you calling these people pathetic!!

    I think jewish people should live as they want.. whereas you think they are onto the wrong thing with their beliefs.. same goes for hinduism, buddhism, catholicism and plagiarism.. i couldnt give a toss... but you'd love to have these people live as you want.

    thats hypocrisy
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    Yet - what you should probably say is that if you went back in time you should have not conceived a child at that time.


    then they wouldnt have a beautiful child... a child who appears to be getting lots of love and nurture...

    what you should 'probably' do is save the preaching for http://www.convertordie.org
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    you think people having kids out of wedlock makes them pathetic..

    i think you should let people live as they want... ergo i'm going to argue with you as you arent allowing them, by your comments, to live as they want! its not that i'm not letting you live as you want, its that you are hindering my ideal of everyone living as they choose!

    and i am letting you live as you want.. i'm not attempting to stop you commenting... i just dont agree with you calling these people pathetic!!

    I think jewish people should live as they want.. whereas you think they are onto the wrong thing with their beliefs.. same goes for hinduism, buddhism, catholicism and plagiarism.. i couldnt give a toss... but you'd love to have these people live as you want.

    thats hypocrisy

    Nope you can't read or comprehend. I didn't say the people were pathetic, I said the action was pathetic. And I stand by that.

    How is you not agreeing with me any different than me not agreeing with their actions?

    You know nothing of my beliefs regarding religion. I think that for THEIR SAKE people of other faiths should convert, but that doesn't mean that I want them to live my way for any personal reason on my part.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.

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