Chavez shutting down private tv station

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I've been civil here, if you want to take this up in PM's give it your best, otherwise, watch yourself.

better watch yourself Tree ahahahahahahahahahahahaah...................






ahhaahhahahahahahahahahahah watch yourself!!!!





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post a link

jlew24asu

NMyTree wrote:

must find a link....must find a link.....must post a link.......must watch Judge Whoppner at 4:00 PM Eastern Time....must watch Whoppner

just stick around. soon he will make a thread in which he holds a conversation with himself proving from one gue to another that his links are fact.

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

As my opinion of Venezuela means nothing in the first place, I don't spend much time on the matter...

Yet you dismiss the accounts of real live people from Venezuela, LMAO!

Spend more time on it. You need it.

NMyTree

jlew24asu wrote:

just stick around. soon he will make a thread in which he holds a conversation with himself proving from one gue to another that his links are fact.

He even admits he hasn't spent any real time on this subject, but he insists the accounts of Venezuelan people, who I know personally, are incorrect.

Incorrect because I can't provide a link to the personall experiences of these people and their families:rolleyes:

You can't make this shit up, guys (shit) like this one......speak for themselves

what a joke.

gue_barium

NMyTree wrote:

He even admits he hasn't spent any real time on this subject, but he insists the accounts of Venezuelan people, who I know personally, are incorrect.

Incorrect because I can't provide a link to the personall experiences of these people and their families:rolleyes:

You can't make this shit up, guys (shit) like this one......speak for themselves

what a joke.

Oh yeah, I forgot that the cut-off age here was 13 or 14...sorry.

carry on.

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot that the cut-off age here was 13 or 14...sorry.

carry on.

Oh my, an attack on my maturity [cringes in pain]:D

Pretty funny from a guy who was just treathening me in the previous page:rolleyes:

BTW, that's what you got? That's what I should watch out for? :D

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.

Everything I've found, and this is from a variety of news outlets, says that the media ban was self-imposed.
I haven't found a one that says Chavez shut down the private television stations that day. I can imagine he would have had a good reason to, as they were advocating people to take to the streets during the coup...
But, all I'm finding is that they voluntarily decided not to carry any news on Chavez's return to power.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Everything I've found, and this is from a variety of news outlets, says that the media ban was self-imposed.
I haven't found a one that says Chavez shut down the private television stations that day. I can imagine he would have had a good reason to, as they were advocating people to take to the streets during the coup...
But, all I'm finding is that they voluntarily decided not to carry any news on Chavez's return to power.

Well, I clearly recall that the day Chavez regained power, a news black out took place for 4 or 5 hours. I was at home, going crazy with the remote control and making phone calls to Caracas; and suddenly an Argentine news network said they managed to connect to a Venezuelan cable news network which reported that the frecuency of private networks (RCTV, Venevision and Televen) was being shut down. I'll try to find a link to back me up, for now I'm relying on my memory (which is very good by the way;))

Bwalker545

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070528/ap_en_tv/venezuela_chavez_vs_tv

CARACAS, Venezuela - National Guard troops fired tear gas and rubber bullets Monday into a crowd of protesters angry over a decision by President Hugo Chavez that forced a critical television station off the air.
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University students blocked one lane of a major highway hours after Radio Caracas Television ceased broadcasting at midnight and was replaced with a new state-funded channel. Chavez had refused to renew RCTV's broadcast license, accusing it of "subversive" activities and of backing a 2002 coup against him.

Two students were injured by rubber bullets and a third was hit with a tear gas canister, said Ana Teresa Yepez, an administrator at Caracas' Metropolitan University. She said about 20 protesters were treated for inhaling tear gas.

The new public channel, TVES, launched its transmissions with artists singing pro-Chavez music, then carried an exercise program and a talk show, interspersed with government ads proclaiming, "Now Venezuela belongs to everyone."

Crowds of students demonstrated across Caracas, saying they fear for the future of free speech.

"I plan to keep protesting because we're Venezuelans and it's our right," said Valentina Ramos, 17, a Metropolitan University student who was hit in the head with a tear gas canister and received stitches.

She said the protest was peaceful, but National Guard troops said they acted after students hurled rocks and sticks. Police said 11 officers were injured in separate protests on Sunday that were broken up with water cannon and tear gas.

Thousands of government supporters reveled in the streets as they watched the midnight changeover on large TV screens, seeing RCTV's signal go black and then be replaced by a TVES logo. Others launched fireworks and danced in the streets.

Inside the studios of RCTV — the sole opposition-aligned TV station with nationwide reach — disheartened actors and comedians wept and embraced in the final minutes on the air.

They bowed their heads in prayer, and presenter Nelson Bustamante declared: "Long live Venezuela! We will return soon."

The socialist president says he is democratizing the airwaves by turning the network's signal over to public use.

Germany, which holds the
European Union presidency, officially declared its concern that Venezuela let RCTV's license expire "without holding an open competition for the successor license." It said the EU expects that Venezuela will uphold freedom of speech and "support pluralism."

Leading politicians from Peru, Mexico, Brazil, Chile and the Organization of American States also either criticized the closure Monday or made statements reaffirming that freedom of expression is an inherent right in democracies.

Founded in 1953, RCTV regularly topped viewer ratings with its talk shows, sports, soap operas and comedy programs. But Chavez accused the network of helping to incite a failed coup in 2002, violating broadcast laws and "poisoning" Venezuelans with programming that promoted capitalism. RCTV's managers deny wrongdoing.

The government promises TVES will be more diverse, buying 70 percent of its content from independent Venezuelan producers.

"We've come here to start a new television with the true face of the people, the face that was hidden, the face that they didn't allow us to show," said Roman Chalbaud, a pro-Chavez filmmaker appointed by the government to TVES' board of directors.

TVES received US$4 million (€3 million) in startup funds from the government, but officials say it also may seek commercial advertising.

Most Venezuelan news media are in private hands, including many newspapers and radio stations that remain critical of Chavez. But the only major surviving opposition-sided TV channel is Globovision, which is not seen in all parts of the country.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Well, I clearly recall that the day Chavez regained power, a news black out took place for 4 or 5 hours. I was at home, going crazy with the remote control and making phone calls to Caracas; and suddenly an Argentine news network said they managed to connect to a Venezuelan cable news network which reported that the frecuency of private networks (RCTV, Venevision and Televen) was being shut down. I'll try to find a link to back me up, for now I'm relying on my memory (which is very good by the way;))

I just read this article written by Francisco Toro who was there over that April weekend. This is quite a story. I had no idea it was so complicated.


http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:lc9GH8LKtZwJ:www.proveo.org/11A.pdf+venezuela+news+coverage+2002&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=29&gl=us

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

I just read this article written by Francisco Toro who was there over that April weekend. This is quite a story. I had no idea it was so complicated.


http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:lc9GH8LKtZwJ:www.proveo.org/11A.pdf+venezuela+news+coverage+2002&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=29&gl=us

Wow, that was a great read, I think it sums up very eloquently what happened. Yes, those days were very complex and as Mr. Toro states what happened was never properly investigated. Actually, in 2004 Danilo Anderson (pro-Chavez prosecutor) was found dead in very obscure circumstances.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Wow, that was a great read, I think it sums up very eloquently what happened. Yes, those days were very complex and as Mr. Toro states what happened was never properly investigated. Actually, in 2004 Danilo Anderson (pro-Chavez prosecutor) was found dead in very obscure circumstances.

I thought it was a great read myself. Toro also has a blogsite, and he doesn't hide his anti-chavista sentiments there. I don't hold this against him, at least not in regard to the article in question. I thought it seemed very fair, and well-written.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

I thought it was a great read myself. Toro also has a blogsite, and he doesn't hide his anti-chavista sentiments there. I don't hold this against him, at least not in regard to the article in question. I thought it seemed very fair, and well-written.

I realized he was anti-Chavez while reading his article, however he comes as a rational person and tried to portray the events in a balanced manner. He stated was I was trying to convey, in a hurry 'cause I was at work. I strongly disagree with the fact that TV channels did not condemn the Coup d'Etat, it was anti-democratic, the only way to overthrow Chavez should be through popular vote. However, none of the networks actually participated in the attempt. Actually, such claims begun when Chavez, out of the blue, in his radio-show (Alo Presidente) said something like this "Hmm, RCTV license is about to expire, well they better find another job 'cause I won't renew it".

Not a single investigation was carried out to prove RCTV's involvement in the failed attempt to overthrow Chavez and neither him nor his allies presented a formal complaint in Judiciary instances. Considering that the Justice is in his power it would be a piece of cake to do so, but there is no evidence. The accusations against the alleged participation of the channel in the 2002 events begun this year, when Chavez decided that he was going to rule the country for 18 months without the help of the Congress (composed in its entirety by Chavez supporters, by the way)

My main beef with the shutting down of RCTV is not the channel per se, it is the fact that Chavez is slowly but firmly advancing and concentrating power and the message this RCTV affair sends it is both powerful and frightening. Now media outlets will think twice or thrice before showing a news story that does not favor the government. He also threatened the other private channels with shutting them down for 72 hours if they dared to show the statements released by the Inter American Press Asociation, Human Rights Watch, Reporters without Borders, NGO's and such protesting the shutting down of the network. Last but not least he has stated that any channel that gives air-time to RCTV will be punished and tried for treason to the country. The channel won't be able to broadcast at all, so yesterday over 3,000 people lost their jobs.

And I just heard Nicolas Maduro (Vzla's chancellor, i.e. Foreign Affairs Minister) saying in CNN en español (in spanish) that this is just the beginning, they will review every single license of TV channels and radio stations. I believe they are in the process of trying to "own" the media as whole. I'm sorry but this is a clear attempt to shut up dissent and hinders freedom of speech.

We'll have to wait and see what happens, so far the first day of the new channel did nothing of what the government promised it would do (cultural and educational programming, with independence from the government agenda), so far it has been Chavez propaganda...

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

I realized he was anti-Chavez while reading his article, however he comes as a rational person and tried to portray the events in a balanced manner. He stated was I was trying to convey, in a hurry 'cause I was at work. I strongly disagree with the fact that TV channels did not condemn the Coup d'Etat, it was anti-democratic, the only way to overthrow Chavez should be through popular vote. However, none of the networks actually participated in the attempt. Actually, such claims begun when Chavez, out of the blue, in his radio-show (Alo Presidente) said something like this "Hmm, RCTV license is about to expire, well they better find another job 'cause I won't renew it".

Not a single investigation was carried out to prove RCTV's involvement in the failed attempt to overthrow Chavez and neither him nor his allies presented a formal complaint in Judiciary instances. Considering that the Justice is in his power it would be a piece of cake to do so, but there is no evidence. The accusations against the alleged participation of the channel in the 2002 events begun this year, when Chavez decided that he was going to rule the country for 18 months without the help of the Congress (composed in its entirety by Chavez supporters, by the way)

My main beef with the shutting down of RCTV is not the channel per se, it is the fact that Chavez is slowly but firmly advancing and concentrating power and the message this RCTV affair sends it is both powerful and frightening. Now media outlets will think twice or thrice before showing a news story that does not favor the government. He also threatened the other private channels with shutting them down for 72 hours if they dared to show the statements released by the Inter American Press Asociation, Human Rights Watch, Reporters without Borders, NGO's and such protesting the shutting down of the network. Last but not least he has stated that any channel that gives air-time to RCTV will be punished and tried for treason to the country. The channel won't be able to broadcast at all, so yesterday over 3,000 people lost their jobs.

And I just heard Nicolas Maduro (Vzla's chancellor, i.e. Foreign Affairs Minister) saying in CNN en español (in spanish) that this is just the beginning, they will review every single license of TV channels and radio stations. I believe they are in the process of trying to "own" the media as whole. I'm sorry but this is a clear attempt to shut up dissent and hinders freedom of speech.

We'll have to wait and see what happens, so far the first day of the new channel did nothing of what the government promised it would do (cultural and educational programming, with independence from the government agenda), so far it has been Chavez propaganda...

I see your point of view. I do. And it is unfortunate that Chavez, despite overwhelming support of the people(80%!) at the onset of his presidency, he has failed to take advantage of that popularity. Without pointing blame, it does seem that the privately owned television media there is in the pockets of the rich, mainly the oil companies, and from all reports, they have been nothing but unrelenting in their persecution of Chavez on the airwaves. Even sportscasters at baseball games. Chavez hasn't handled this very well. So, it has come to this. He has chosen to fight the elitist battle, and this means he is losing touch with the platform that got him elected in the first place.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

I see your point of view. I do. And it is unfortunate that Chavez, despite overwhelming support of the people(80%!) at the onset of his presidency, he has failed to take advantage of that popularity. Without pointing blame, it does seem that the privately owned television media there is in the pockets of the rich, mainly the oil companies, and from all reports, they have been nothing but unrelenting in their persecution of Chavez on the airwaves. Even sportscasters at baseball games. Chavez hasn't handled this very well. So, it has come to this. He has chosen to fight the elitist battle, and this means he is losing touch with the platform that got him elected in the first place.

Yes he used to have that kind of spontaneous support, nowadays I'm not sure how much of his support is genuine and how much of it spurrs from fear of facing the consequences of adversing him. For instance, there's plenty of people that got fired from their governmental job after it was found they signed the Referendum petition, one of my parents' closest friend was denied of his retirement pension for signing the aforemention petition...The approx- 4 million persons who signed the petition are in black list.

Just to clarify, TV channels are not in the hands of oil companies. There's no link whatsoever. The owners of private networks are rich (like almost everywhere, putting down and running a media outlet involves a huge investment), but they are the so-called Venezuela's traditional families. See, oil in Venezuela since 1975 (if my elementary school memories don't fail me), when Carlos Andrés Pérez nationalized it, has been in the hands of the State. Prior to that it was exploited by international oil companies.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Yes he used to have that kind of spontaneous support, nowadays I'm not sure how much of his support is genuine and how much of it spurrs from fear of facing the consequences of adversing him. For instance, there's plenty of people that got fired from their governmental job after it was found they signed the Referendum petition, one of my parents' closest friend was denied of his retirement pension for signing the aforemention petition...The approx- 4 million persons who signed the petition are in black list.

Just to clarify, TV channels are not in the hands of oil companies. There's no link whatsoever. The owners of private networks are rich (like almost everywhere, putting down and running a media outlet involves a huge investment), but they are the so-called Venezuela's traditional families. See, oil in Venezuela since 1975 (if my elementary school memories don't fail me), when Carlos Andrés Pérez nationalized it, has been in the hands of the State. Prior to that it was exploited by international oil companies.

Suffice to say, things aren't all that great in Venezuela.
Unfortunately, as long as hostility is the prevailing factor, it seems, even if Chavez is removed, this country has some things to work out.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Suffice to say, things aren't all that great in Venezuela.
Unfortunately, as long as hostility is the prevailing factor, it seems, even if Chavez is removed, this country has some things to work out.

See, here we fully agree... Venezuela's situation is a huge mess and I believe the worst is yet to come. Keep in mind that most of Venezuelan's are armed and I fear violence will seriously take place if Chavez' law of expropriating houses over a 120mt2 (something like that) and forcing people to share their houses with other families is actually implemented...I really hope to be wrong, but I'm worried.

Well, it's been a pleasure, now I'm off to catch the Spurs-Jazz 2nd half (Go Manu and the Spurs!!!)

Peace
Caterina

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

See, here we fully agree... Venezuela's situation is a huge mess and I believe the worst is yet to come. Keep in mind that most of Venezuelan's are armed and I fear violence will seriously take place if Chavez' law of expropriating houses over a 120mt2 (something like that) and forcing people to share their houses with other families is actually implemented...I really hope to be wrong, but I'm worried.

Well, it's been a pleasure, now I'm off to catch the Spurs-Jazz 2nd half (Go Manu and the Spurs!!!)

Peace
Caterina

Hope...
hope is the (whatever ed said).

gue_barium

underdog.

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

Suffice to say, things aren't all that great in Venezuela.
Unfortunately, as long as hostility is the prevailing factor, it seems, even if Chavez is removed, this country has some things to work out.

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LMAO! Sounds familiar:D