So, I guess there is not much room for us to discuss about this. Although I don't live in the US, I'm pretty sure I'd strongly disagree with FOX editorial line, but I would never ever condone censoring FOX. I don't care if the media outlet caters to my taste or not, I can't stand censorship, period...
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Caterina
I don't think this is about censorship, or freedom of speech.
So, I guess there is not much room for us to discuss about this. Although I don't live in the US, I'm pretty sure I'd strongly disagree with FOX editorial line, but I would never ever condone censoring FOX. I don't care if the media outlet caters to my taste or not, I can't stand censorship, period...
Peace
Caterina
Most people would agree with you 100% about that. I don't watch Fox news because I have a choice not to. Gue would have the government tell me what to do, say, think, learn, and is perfectly happy removing choice.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Most people would agree with you 100% about that. I don't watch Fox news because I have a choice not to. Gue would have the government tell me what to do, say, think, learn, and is perfectly happy removing choice.
Why would I do that? I have no say in that matter, nor would I want to.
issued an act which states that all of RCTV equipment must be handed to the government new channel. This measure is allegedly temporary, until the new channel buys its own equipment.
Hehehehe.....thankfully humor is not in such short supply as hope.
I don't think this is about censorship, or freedom of speech.
And this is about what then?
RCTV was the ONLY channel that had total national coverage and also was the ONLY channel still having an opposition editorial stand point. The other private channels (Venevision and Televen) got scared so they gave up on giving news contrary to the government. So, I believe the government had a clear interest in having this channel for itself. Very tempting if you ask me. Now Chavez' regime has for itself the channel with largest coverage.
Oh and so you know, this channel was broadcasting official news and Chavez speeches, according to the "Media Social Responsability Act". According to such law, private channels were obliged to give away like two hours of their programming to the government. Censorship was already taking place thanks to this act, so if you ask me this is about controlling every single media of the country.
Oh, by the way, according to every single poll conducted in Venezuela, approx. 80% of the population was against the shutting down of RCTV.
RCTV was the ONLY channel that had total national coverage and also was the ONLY channel still having an opposition editorial stand point. The other private channels (Venevision and Televen) got scared so they gave up on giving news contrary to the government. So, I believe the government had a clear interest in having this channel for itself. Very tempting if you ask me. Now Chavez' regime has for itself the channel with largest coverage.
Oh and so you know, this channel was broadcasting official news and Chavez speeches, according to the "Media Social Responsability Act". According to such law, private channels were obliged to give away like two hours of their programming to the government. Censorship was already taking place thanks to this act, so if you ask me this is about controlling every single media of the country.
Oh, by the way, according to every single poll conducted in Venezuela, approx. 80% of the population was against the shutting down of RCTV.
Well, regardless of how you want to spin this, government and media go hand in hand everywhere in the world. Just a handful of people, relatively speaking, control the entire network of what is available for viewers to watch worldwide. This isn't news. If you want to call censorship, then call it on the entire television-government world.
His phoney smokescreen that which portrayed him as a man giving power back to the people and elevating them from poverty...etc..etc; was exposed quite a while ago. The guy is just another power-hungry, violent murderer; just like all the other assholes around the world.
His phoney smokescreen that which portrayed him as a man giving power back to the people and elevating them from poverty...etc..etc; was exposed quite a while ago. The guy is just another power-hungry, violent murderer; just like all the other assholes around the world.
Well, Venezuela is doing that. Even poor Americans have benefited from Venezuelan "charity".
Well, regardless of how you want to spin this, government and media go hand in hand everywhere in the world. Just a handful of people, relatively speaking, control the entire network of what is available for viewers to watch worldwide. This isn't news. If you want to call censorship, then call it on the entire television-government world.
I'm not spinning anything, all I'm saying is that now plenty of venezuelans will only see what the government want to show them, since no other TV channels cover the farthest areas.
I know that government and media go hand and in hand. My point is that it should also exist room for dissent, and that's what Chavez is trying to avoid and obstruct.
I'm not spinning anything, all I'm saying is that now plenty of venezuelans will only see what the government want to show them, since no other TV channels cover the farthest areas.
I know that government and media go hand and in hand. My point is that it should also exist room for dissent, and that's what Chavez is trying to avoid and obstruct.
There is plenty of room for dissent in Venezuela...if it is indeed dissent. If I am in cahoots with a television station here in American, planning a violent overthrow the government, I would expect consequences for myself, and the television station.
Well, Venezuela is doing that. Even poor Americans have benefited from Venezuelan "charity".
Really? Interesting that I personally know some people originally from Venezuela, who still have family there. One woman in particular I worked with in an Administrative capacity with, for seven years. She and several other Venezuelan people tell quite a different story.
Chavez's Publicity Stunts/Events have you duped. He's well aware of the good 'ole PR approach and utilizes it. But it's all very shallow and misleading. What he has done there is horrific. He's no better than Bush Jr/Cheney or Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Really? Interesting that I personally know some people originally from Venezuela, who still have family there. One woman in particular I worked with in an Administrative capacity with, for seven years. She and several other Venezuelan people tell quite a different story.
Chavez's Publicity Stunts/Events have you duped. He's well aware of the good 'ole PR approach and utilizes it. But it's all very shallow and misleading. What he has done there is horrific. He's no better than Bush Jr/Cheney or Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
They are all duplicitous little weasels.
Well, that convinces me. I've been duped. InMyTree told me so.
Plenty of room to have yourself shot, slaughtered and disposed of; that is.
Good luck in that endeavor.
Lol. I guess every little boy and girl in America always needs a little "communist dictator" to hate.
Bring something to the debate, or go watch some more TV.
Better yet, read a book.
The funny thing is, you think I'm aligning myself with Chavez, and therein lies your error. There's always more to the story than the sound bytes, and pithy headlines you seem to be relying on.
Well, that convinces me. I've been duped. InMyTree told me so.
sheesh.
Hey, believe what you want to believe.
No one said you have to believe me. I'm just sharing what I know to be true.
I would rather say that Chavez is a great man, a great leader and providing these people with everything he claims he is. I'd like to say he's feeding the hungry, watering the thirsty, improving the infrastructure and that he's on a major mission to help the citizens on that country.
But sadly, I can not. Because he is not. He's doing some very horrific things.
There is plenty of room for dissent in Venezuela...if it is indeed dissent. If I am in cahoots with a television station here in American, planning a violent overthrow the government, I would expect consequences for myself, and the television station.
And can you please tell how do you know how much room for dissent exists in Venezuela? Cause, after tonight all relevant channel networks answer to the government. Yes, there are oppositor newspapers, but I guess you're not aware of the fact that in Venezuela newspapers have little influence, people get their news from the TV and that's a well known fact.
I'm sorry but nobody was in cahoots with RCTV to overthrow Chavez, that is not true. I stated that this and the other channels were plain wrong in not condemning the Coup d'Etat, but that is very different from taking part in it.
No one said you have to believe me. I'm just sharing what I know to be true.
I would rather say that Chavez is a great man, a great leader and providing these people with everything he claims he is. I'd like to say he's feeding the hungry, watering the thirsty, improving the infrastructure and that he's on a major mission to help the citizens on that country.
But sadly, I can not. Because he is not. He's doing some very horrific things.
You keep saying that, but I'm not seeing any proof. You're not providing any links.
At least I gave you the 'cheap oil for poor Americans' from the Venezuelans story. There's no denying that. That's a fact.
And can you please tell how do you know how much room for dissent exists in Venezuela? Cause, after tonight all relevant channel networks answer to the government. Yes, there are oppositor newspapers, but I guess you're not aware of the fact that in Venezuela newspapers have little influence, people get their news from the TV and that's a well known fact.
I'm sorry but nobody was in cahoots with RCTV to overthrow Chavez, that is not true. I stated that this and the other channels were plain wrong in not condemning the Coup d'Etat, but that is very different from taking part in it.
All America news stations answer to a very shady FCC here in America. You need government accountibility to be on the air in America. So, if you're trying to say that Venezuela is somehow worse than America in this respect, you would be incorrect.
Lol. I guess every little boy and girl in America always needs a little "communist dictator" to hate.
Bring something to the debate, or go watch some more TV.
Better yet, read a book.
The funny thing is, you think I'm aligning myself with Chavez, and therein lies your error. There's always more to the story than the sound bytes, and pithy headlines you seem to be relying on.
You're delusional and every single word in that post is completely wrong and inaccurate. You are the one drawing inaccurate conclusions and thinking you know something about me. You don't know your ass from your elbow.
I never claimed you were aligning yourself with Chavez. never even thought it.
Go back and read the posts. Clearly you're the one making shit up about me and the one being duped by Chavez.
Soundbytes.......pithy headlines? LMAO!
My only sources are people from Venezuela who have family there experiencing all of Chavez's glory.....first hand. And people who were there.
You keep saying that, but I'm not seeing any proof. You're not providing any links.
At least I gave you the 'cheap oil for poor Americans' from the Venezuelans story. There's no denying that. That's a fact.
I don't care about providing you links.
Like I said, believe what you want.
I submited my part, which comes directly from people who either live there now, who live here but have family there or have been there , physically.
What part of this are you having a problem understanding? Should I type slower?:D:D
All America news stations answer to a very shady FCC here in America. You need government accountibility to be on the air in America. So, if you're trying to say that Venezuela is somehow worse than America in this respect, you would be incorrect.
I'm not trying to compare the US with Venezuela. Let's get this straight: I'm not an US citizen and I don't live in the US. I was born in Chile, I currently live in Buenos Aires, Argentina and I lived for 17 years in Venezuela.
This for me it's not a Chavez vs Bush issue. My point of comparison it is not the USA, nor do I care to do so. I'm complaining against what is going on in Venezuela, because I hold freedom of speech as a fundamental value and a personal freedom.
Of course that in Latin America all countries have entities similar to FCC, which regulate public television (and public I'm referring to it signal being free, i.e, not cable TV). For example, in Argentina until 10pm you can't show nudity or curse, 'cause it is considered that until 10pm children can be watching TV, after such hour you can show and say pretty much everything you want.
In Venezuela there is an organism similar to FCC it is called CONATEL. However this organization had nothing to do with the shutting down of RCTV, it was done by a decree signed by Chavez.
I'm not trying to compare the US with Venezuela. Let's get this straight: I'm not an US citizen and I don't live in the US. I was born in Chile, I currently live in Buenos Aires, Argentina and I lived for 17 years in Venezuela.
This for me it's not a Chavez vs Bush issue. My point of comparison it is not the USA, nor do I care to do so. I'm complaining against what is going on in Venezuela, because I hold freedom of speech as a fundamental value and a personal freedom.
Of course that in Latin America all countries have entities similar to FCC, which regulate public television (and public I'm referring to it signal being free, i.e, not cable TV). For example, in Argentina until 10pm you can't show nudity or curse, 'cause it is considered that until 10pm children can be watching TV, after such hour you can show and say pretty much everything you want.
In Venezuela there is an organism similar to FCC it is called CONATEL. However this organization had nothing to do with the shutting down of RCTV, it was done by a decree signed by Chavez.
He doesn't care about any of that. Facts aren't important.
I'm not trying to compare the US with Venezuela. Let's get this straight: I'm not an US citizen and I don't live in the US. I was born in Chile, I currently live in Buenos Aires, Argentina and I lived for 17 years in Venezuela.
This for me it's not a Chavez vs Bush issue. My point of comparison it is not the USA, nor do I care to do so. I'm complaining against what is going on in Venezuela, because I hold freedom of speech as a fundamental value and a personal freedom.
Of course that in Latin America all countries have entities similar to FCC, which regulate public television (and public I'm referring to it signal being free, i.e, not cable TV). For example, in Argentina until 10pm you can't show nudity or curse, 'cause it is considered that until 10pm children can be watching TV, after such hour you can show and say pretty much everything you want.
In Venezuela there is an organism similar to FCC it is called CONATEL. However this organization had nothing to do with the shutting down of RCTV, it was done by a decree signed by Chavez.
Let me rephrase...the US, or anywhere else in the world.
By whatever mechanism, presidential decree, or otherwise, these decisions are made on a day to day basis, on what is put out there for the public to see by the powers that be. To me, this is a non-story. Venezuela is a changing country and what may seem dramatic to some, seems like not much of anything to me.
Let me rephrase...the US, or anywhere else in the world.
By whatever mechanism, presidential decree, or otherwise, these decisions are made on a day to day basis, on what is put out there for the public to see by the powers that be. To me, this is a non-story. Venezuela is a changing country and what may seem dramatic to some, seems like not much of anything to me.
OK, so let's leave it at this. For you it is a non issue, for me it is a big deal, 'cause I care both for Venezuela and for fundamental rights. End of story.
OK, so let's leave it at this. For you it is a non issue, for me it is a big deal, 'cause I care both for Venezuela and for fundamental rights. End of story.
Since when did television become a 'fundamental right'.
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Most people would agree with you 100% about that. I don't watch Fox news because I have a choice not to. Gue would have the government tell me what to do, say, think, learn, and is perfectly happy removing choice.
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By definition it most certainly is. Regardless of what you think.
Believing what you like has very little to do with Television, I would hope.
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Hehehehe.....thankfully humor is not in such short supply as hope.
And this is about what then?
RCTV was the ONLY channel that had total national coverage and also was the ONLY channel still having an opposition editorial stand point. The other private channels (Venevision and Televen) got scared so they gave up on giving news contrary to the government. So, I believe the government had a clear interest in having this channel for itself. Very tempting if you ask me. Now Chavez' regime has for itself the channel with largest coverage.
Oh and so you know, this channel was broadcasting official news and Chavez speeches, according to the "Media Social Responsability Act". According to such law, private channels were obliged to give away like two hours of their programming to the government. Censorship was already taking place thanks to this act, so if you ask me this is about controlling every single media of the country.
Oh, by the way, according to every single poll conducted in Venezuela, approx. 80% of the population was against the shutting down of RCTV.
Well, regardless of how you want to spin this, government and media go hand in hand everywhere in the world. Just a handful of people, relatively speaking, control the entire network of what is available for viewers to watch worldwide. This isn't news. If you want to call censorship, then call it on the entire television-government world.
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His phoney smokescreen that which portrayed him as a man giving power back to the people and elevating them from poverty...etc..etc; was exposed quite a while ago. The guy is just another power-hungry, violent murderer; just like all the other assholes around the world.
Well, Venezuela is doing that. Even poor Americans have benefited from Venezuelan "charity".
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I'm not spinning anything, all I'm saying is that now plenty of venezuelans will only see what the government want to show them, since no other TV channels cover the farthest areas.
I know that government and media go hand and in hand. My point is that it should also exist room for dissent, and that's what Chavez is trying to avoid and obstruct.
There is plenty of room for dissent in Venezuela...if it is indeed dissent. If I am in cahoots with a television station here in American, planning a violent overthrow the government, I would expect consequences for myself, and the television station.
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Really? Interesting that I personally know some people originally from Venezuela, who still have family there. One woman in particular I worked with in an Administrative capacity with, for seven years. She and several other Venezuelan people tell quite a different story.
Chavez's Publicity Stunts/Events have you duped. He's well aware of the good 'ole PR approach and utilizes it. But it's all very shallow and misleading. What he has done there is horrific. He's no better than Bush Jr/Cheney or Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
They are all duplicitous little weasels.
Plenty of room to have yourself shot, slaughtered and disposed of; that is.
Good luck in that endeavor.
Well, that convinces me. I've been duped. InMyTree told me so.
sheesh.
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Lol. I guess every little boy and girl in America always needs a little "communist dictator" to hate.
Bring something to the debate, or go watch some more TV.
Better yet, read a book.
The funny thing is, you think I'm aligning myself with Chavez, and therein lies your error. There's always more to the story than the sound bytes, and pithy headlines you seem to be relying on.
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Hey, believe what you want to believe.
No one said you have to believe me. I'm just sharing what I know to be true.
I would rather say that Chavez is a great man, a great leader and providing these people with everything he claims he is. I'd like to say he's feeding the hungry, watering the thirsty, improving the infrastructure and that he's on a major mission to help the citizens on that country.
But sadly, I can not. Because he is not. He's doing some very horrific things.
And can you please tell how do you know how much room for dissent exists in Venezuela? Cause, after tonight all relevant channel networks answer to the government. Yes, there are oppositor newspapers, but I guess you're not aware of the fact that in Venezuela newspapers have little influence, people get their news from the TV and that's a well known fact.
I'm sorry but nobody was in cahoots with RCTV to overthrow Chavez, that is not true. I stated that this and the other channels were plain wrong in not condemning the Coup d'Etat, but that is very different from taking part in it.
At least I gave you the 'cheap oil for poor Americans' from the Venezuelans story. There's no denying that. That's a fact.
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All America news stations answer to a very shady FCC here in America. You need government accountibility to be on the air in America. So, if you're trying to say that Venezuela is somehow worse than America in this respect, you would be incorrect.
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You're delusional and every single word in that post is completely wrong and inaccurate. You are the one drawing inaccurate conclusions and thinking you know something about me. You don't know your ass from your elbow.
I never claimed you were aligning yourself with Chavez. never even thought it.
Go back and read the posts. Clearly you're the one making shit up about me and the one being duped by Chavez.
Soundbytes.......pithy headlines? LMAO!
My only sources are people from Venezuela who have family there experiencing all of Chavez's glory.....first hand. And people who were there.
Have fun in your little game.
I don't care about providing you links.
Like I said, believe what you want.
I submited my part, which comes directly from people who either live there now, who live here but have family there or have been there , physically.
What part of this are you having a problem understanding? Should I type slower?:D:D
I think you're just shooting off your keyboard.
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I'm not trying to compare the US with Venezuela. Let's get this straight: I'm not an US citizen and I don't live in the US. I was born in Chile, I currently live in Buenos Aires, Argentina and I lived for 17 years in Venezuela.
This for me it's not a Chavez vs Bush issue. My point of comparison it is not the USA, nor do I care to do so. I'm complaining against what is going on in Venezuela, because I hold freedom of speech as a fundamental value and a personal freedom.
Of course that in Latin America all countries have entities similar to FCC, which regulate public television (and public I'm referring to it signal being free, i.e, not cable TV). For example, in Argentina until 10pm you can't show nudity or curse, 'cause it is considered that until 10pm children can be watching TV, after such hour you can show and say pretty much everything you want.
In Venezuela there is an organism similar to FCC it is called CONATEL. However this organization had nothing to do with the shutting down of RCTV, it was done by a decree signed by Chavez.
That's okay. You're entitled to think and believe what you want.
Doesn't effect me, whatsoever.
I'm just sharing what I know to be true, from several people, from several unrelated families.
It's your choice to dismiss it or consider the possibilities.
He doesn't care about any of that. Facts aren't important.
Well, I guess I'm way too stubborn to give up...
Let me rephrase...the US, or anywhere else in the world.
By whatever mechanism, presidential decree, or otherwise, these decisions are made on a day to day basis, on what is put out there for the public to see by the powers that be. To me, this is a non-story. Venezuela is a changing country and what may seem dramatic to some, seems like not much of anything to me.
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OK, so let's leave it at this. For you it is a non issue, for me it is a big deal, 'cause I care both for Venezuela and for fundamental rights. End of story.
Since when did television become a 'fundamental right'.
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