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Chavez shutting down private tv station

bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
Well, everyone still digging Venezuela's socialism? A tv station that disagrees with the government gets shut down. Freedom of speech doesn't matter I guess. Viva la Socialism! This Chavez guy is great!
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Um...

    link?
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    gue_barium wrote:
    Um...

    link?

    Sorry, saw it on the news. Let me do a quick search.

    Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6580863.stm
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I wish Chavez would get rid of TV altogether.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Heil Chavez! Heil nationalization. Heil socialism. Heil government control.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gue_barium wrote:
    I wish Chavez would get rid of TV altogether.

    Yes. It is always better to have the government remove choice.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    gue_barium wrote:
    I wish Chavez would get rid of TV altogether.

    Then how would I have just watched "Murder at 1600" starring Wesley Snipes? I could have got the DVD I guess. DVD's would be exempt right?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    Yes. It is always better to have the government remove choice.
    TV. The great American "Choice".

    Lol. Well said Jeff.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Then how would I have just watched "Murder at 1600" starring Wesley Snipes? I could have got the DVD I guess. DVD's would be exempt right?

    I called Huggy ( I cally him Huggy), he said DVD's were cool.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    gue_barium wrote:
    I called Huggy ( I cally him Huggy), he said DVD's were cool.

    You know what is not cool? Ruining the ending to movies.

    Murder at 1600 spoiler alert below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







    The National Security Advisor did it!
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    You know what is not cool? Ruining the ending to movies.

    Murder at 1600 spoiler alert below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







    The National Security Advisor did it!

    Well, it is 1600.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, it is 1600.

    Well played......well played. You've won this round. Peace!
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    jeffbr wrote:
    Heil Chavez! Heil nationalization. Heil socialism. Heil government control.
    Yikes!

    Bring back the Brady Bunch, quick!
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  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    Yesterday was a sad day in Venezuela. RCTV, the oldest TV network of the country was shut down after 53 years of broadcasting. In addition Venezuela's Supreme Court (comprised in its entirety by Chavez supporters) issued an act which states that all of RCTV equipment must be handed to the government new channel. This measure is allegedly temporary, until the new channel buys its own equipment. Given Chavez' record I think this won't be happening any time soon.

    Yes, the channel's editorial line was in the opposition lines, but such is the game of democracy. The right to speak their mind is for everybody, well not anymore in Venezuela.

    Yesterday, democracy died a little (more) in Venezuela, the message this government measure sends it is very clear and dangerous: you speak against us and your rights to speak will be taken away from you. Now, which media outlet will have the courage to tell the truth and not what the government wants?

    Furthermore, Chavez threatened to shut down for 72 hours every TV network, radio station or newspaper that dared to show the formal complaint issued by the Inter American Press Association and many other organizations, governments and such.

    Let's just hope that this does not happen in any other media outlet of my region.

    Peace
    Caterina

    EDIT: I forgot to say that this was the only non pro-Chavez channel that had the the tecnology broadcast to the whole country.
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    Can I just go on the air in the u of s and a ??? or does the government have to sanction me??
    that is what i thought
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    B nice wrote:
    Can I just go on the air in the u of s and a ??? or does the government have to sanction me??
    that is what i thought

    The answer to your question I suppose is no; likewise in Venezuela or Argentina or Chile (countries which laws I know). However, no matter how Chavez' government chooses to portray this situation, the shutting down of RCTV is a clear case of censorship.

    EDIT: Would you say the same thing if, for instance, Bush was shutting down a media outlet contrary to his policies?
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    CaterinaA wrote:
    The answer to your question I suppose is no; likewise in Venezuela or Argentina or Chile (countries which laws I know). However, no matter how Chavez' government chooses to portray this situation, the shutting down of RCTV is a clear case of censorship.

    EDIT: Would you say the same thing if, for instance, Bush was shutting down a media outlet contrary to his policies?


    i am not justifying chavez's' actions ... i am a liberal remember.... i believe in freedom

    i am simply pointing out the hypocrisy.. the double standard


    our government does shut shit down ... here ..iraq..off the coast.... kills people and signals


    look it up
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    B nice wrote:
    i am not justifying chavez's' actions ... i am a liberal remember.... i believe in freedom

    i am simply pointing out the hypocrisy.. the double standard


    our government does shut shit down ... here ..iraq..off the coast.... kills people and signals


    look it up

    Actually it is your government, 'cause I'm from Chile (although I live in Argentina) :). If the US government shuts down a media outlet 'cause it does not like its editorial line well it is plain wrong, and trust me I'll be complaining about it, as I do whenever I see a human right or a personal freedom being violated. I, too, believe in freedom, so that's why yesterday was a sad day for all of us Latin Americans who believe in pluralism and democracy

    I, as a Latin American (and as someone who lived for 17 years in Venezuela), am just complaining about the fact that freedom of speech was severed (once again) in my adoptive country.

    Peace,
    Caterina
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Actually it is your government, 'cause I'm from Chile (although I live in Argentina) :). If the US government shuts down a media outlet 'cause it does not like its editorial line well it is plain wrong, and trust me I'll be complaining about it, as I do whenever I see a human right or a personal freedom being violated. I, too, believe in freedom, so that's why yesterday was a sad day for all of us Latin Americans who believe in pluralism and democracy

    I, as a Latin American (and as someone who lived for 17 years in Venezuela), am just complaining about the fact that freedom of speech was severed (once again) in my adoptive country.

    Peace,
    Caterina


    edit i regret that post already




    wow that's interesting
    now, that's better
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    B nice wrote:
    i am not justifying chavez's' actions ... i am a liberal remember....

    So you hate America?

    (That line never gets old)
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    B nice wrote:
    edit i regret that post already




    wow that's interesting
    now, that's better

    Don't worry, even though you misjudged me ;), you did not have to know that I'm a Chilean that used to live in Venezuela, and now lives in Argentina. So, it is all good :)
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    So you hate America?

    (That line never gets old)


    what makes us great is our liberalism

    look it up

    shouldn't you be losing a war or sodomizing some a-rab right now ??
    go burn a book...like the bible, you religious fanatic
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,051
    B nice wrote:
    what makes us great is our liberalism

    look it up

    shouldn't you be losing a war or sodomizing some a-rab right now ??
    go burn a book...like the bible, you religious fanatic

    Look at you get all angry over a joke. Angry liberals never disappoint.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    According to an unclassified State Department memo, “A program that gives Flores a better understanding of and closer ties with U.S. media executive decision-making policies and practices can help Globovision, already the country’s news leader, an even more professional responsible force in Venezuela’s media environment, with profound implications not only for more positive coverage of U.S. policies but for Venezuela’s evolving political situation as well.”


    http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2309
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  • BraighniBraighni Posts: 58
    From wikipedia (the lazy mans research tool I know but its quick and contained the point I heard raised last week)
    Criticism

    RCTV has been criticized by Hugo Chávez's government and supporters for its role in the attempted coup of April 11, 2002 and the December 2, 2002 to February 4, 2003 general strike (during which free advertisements for the opposition were broadcast by privately owned TV stations including RCTV). On the afternoon of April 11, 2002, RCTV interrupted a speech made by Chávez to broadcast a shooting that was taking place at an opposition march. Over the next couple of days, the private networks supported Pedro Carmona's interim government, which dissolved the National Assembly and suspended the Constitution. As the coup began to collapse due to popular pressure to restore the democratically elected president to power, RCTV conducted a news blackout.
    www.baddog.ie
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    gue_barium wrote:
    According to an unclassified State Department memo, “A program that gives Flores a better understanding of and closer ties with U.S. media executive decision-making policies and practices can help Globovision, already the country’s news leader, an even more professional responsible force in Venezuela’s media environment, with profound implications not only for more positive coverage of U.S. policies but for Venezuela’s evolving political situation as well.”


    http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2309


    I just read the article. But just so you know, Globovision's concession is not the one at stake, it is RCTV that was shut down.

    And couldn't you find a more pro-Chavez webiste ;)
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    CaterinaA wrote:
    I just read the article. But just so you know, Globovision's concession is not the one at stake, it is RCTV that was shut down.

    And couldn't you find a more pro-Chavez webiste ;)

    I know they aren't the same TV stations, but it is the US State Department meddling in Venezuelan media affairs that is the story.
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  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    Braighni wrote:
    From wikipedia (the lazy mans research tool I know but its quick and contained the point I heard raised last week)
    RCTV has been criticized by Hugo Chávez's government and supporters for its role in the attempted coup of April 11, 2002 and the December 2, 2002 to February 4, 2003 general strike (during which free advertisements for the opposition were broadcast by privately owned TV stations including RCTV). On the afternoon of April 11, 2002, RCTV interrupted a speech made by Chávez to broadcast a shooting that was taking place at an opposition march. Over the next couple of days, the private networks supported Pedro Carmona's interim government, which dissolved the National Assembly and suspended the Constitution. As the coup began to collapse due to popular pressure to restore the democratically elected president to power, RCTV conducted a news blackout.


    Well, this is at best partially true. I don't have the links right now, but I remember perfectly those days.

    First of all, Chavez himself attempted two Coup d'Etat at a democratic governmet in 1992, I remember the F-16 blasting through the air. This is just some background data.

    On April 11th 2002, yes RCTV stopped broadcasting a Chavez's speech because civilians were being shot in a pacific rally by Chavez supporters (Chavez' hitmen to be more accurate), I'm sorry but I would call this relevant news material.

    Yes, all private networks were wrong in not condemning the Coup d'Etat. However, when Chavez regained power, those networks (RCTV, Venevisión and Televén) did not conduct a news blackout, their signal was shut down by the goverment and they could not broadcast. Only a local news cable channel was able to broadcast what was going on and the rest of Latin America's news reports and shows picked up that signal and those coming from the government.
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    gue_barium wrote:
    I know they aren't the same TV stations, but it is the US State Department meddling in Venezuelan media affairs that is the story.

    I'm sorry, but you can't be neutral in this particular case. I won't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it. This is what freedom of speech is all about.

    I don't care how much Chavez' government want to disguise it, the only reason this channel is being shut down is because he does not like its editorial line, period. Have you read the official resolution, which states the reasons for ceasing the contract?

    Among the reasons cited are: excessive violence in their programming, excess of sex content in their soap-operas, excess of reality shows in their programming and, this is my favorite, RCTV content is not in tune with Venezuela's current and future destination.

    And what about the fact that this is a private network and the Supreme Court allowed the government to retain the channel's facilities and equipment?
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    CaterinaA wrote:
    I'm sorry, but you can't be neutral in this particular case. I won't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it. This is what freedom of speech is all about.

    I don't care how much Chavez' government want to disguise it, the only reason this channel is being shut down is because he does not like its editorial line, period. Have you read the official resolution, which states the reasons for ceasing the contract?

    Among the reasons cited are: excessive violence in their programming, excess of sex content in their soap-operas, excess of reality shows in their programming and, this is my favorite, RCTV content is not in tune with Venezuela's current and future destination.

    And what about the fact that this is a private network and the Supreme Court allowed the government to retain the channel's facilities and equipment?

    Well, I'm not neutral. I wouldn't have a problem with Fox, et al being shut-down here in the US.
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  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, I'm not neutral. I wouldn't have a problem with Fox, et al being shut-down here in the US.

    So, I guess there is not much room for us to discuss about this. Although I don't live in the US, I'm pretty sure I'd strongly disagree with FOX editorial line, but I would never ever condone censoring FOX. I don't care if the media outlet caters to my taste or not, I can't stand censorship, period...

    Peace

    Caterina
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