Since when did television become a 'fundamental right'.
Wow, for someone who is so nit-picky about what others say; you sure never take much time to get your sentences and facts right.
If you're a stickler for accuracy, you should start with your assumptions and accusations of others. Which by the way are so far off the mark and on anothe planet.
Well, I guess if people want regurgitated soap operas on their televisions in Venezuela, they'll have to look elsewhere.
OK, I'll refrain myself. There is no point whatsoever in arguing with you.
Anyway, I'll say it for the last time, just 'cause I believe it is important: the problem here it is not whether the soapoperas are good or not (that's a non issue, I don't believe in Venezuela there will ever be a shortage of lousy TV shows). The issue here is that this channel was shut down for the sole reason of being the single remaining channel with national coverage with an editorial line contrary to Chavez. The rest is purple prose.
OK, I'll refrain myself. There is no point whatsoever in arguing with you.
Anyway, I'll say it for the last time, just 'cause I believe it is important: the problem here it is not whether the soapoperas are good or not (that's a non issue, I don't believe in Venezuela there will ever be a shortage of lousy TV shows). The issue here is that this channel was shut down for the sole reason of being the single remaining channel with national coverage with an editorial line contrary to Chavez. The rest is purple prose.
Peace,
Caterina
Maybe it's all purple prose...:) At least take a good look at who is saying what in this article.
The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.
Maybe it's all purple prose...:) At least take a good look at who is saying what in this article.
The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.
I read the article. I'm not claiming the measure is illegal, 'cause it is not, it is actually contemplated in the Constitution and in the CONATEL regulations. However, if you look at the background of this case, it is clear that this is censorship.
Can you read Spanish? Just wondering, 'cause if you can I have plenty of information to provide to stress my points. What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.
I read the article. I'm not claiming the measure is illegal, 'cause it is not, it is actually contemplated in the Constitution and in the CONATEL regulations. However, if you look at the background of this case, it is clear that this is censorship.
Can you read Spanish? Just wondering, 'cause if you can I have plenty of information to provide to stress my points. What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.
Then what do you make of this part of the article:
Regarding RCTV's refusal to cover the return of Chavez to power, Columbia University professor and former NPR editor John Dinges told Marketplace (5/8/07):
What RCTV did simply can't be justified under any stretch of journalistic principles…. When a television channel simply fails to report, simply goes off the air during a period of national crisis, not because they're forced to, but simply because they don't agree with what's happening, you've lost your ability to defend what you do on journalistic principles.
Then what do you make of this part of the article:
Regarding RCTV's refusal to cover the return of Chavez to power, Columbia University professor and former NPR editor John Dinges told Marketplace (5/8/07):
What RCTV did simply can't be justified under any stretch of journalistic principles…. When a television channel simply fails to report, simply goes off the air during a period of national crisis, not because they're forced to, but simply because they don't agree with what's happening, you've lost your ability to defend what you do on journalistic principles.
I don't read Spanish. Muy poquito.
What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.
Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...
The Chalk Swallower (gue_barium ) is right, because he provides "links".
And before anyone gets too crazy and tries to post links of their own; his links are always the "links" to the truth of the matter; and what anyone else says, posts or "links" to........is always wrong.
There, that should bring a rational conclusion to this.........non-debate.
What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.
Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...
But...but...but....his links are always right!!!!!:D:D
What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.
I don't give Chavez a free pass in my opinion of him. As my opinion of Venezuela means nothing in the first place, I don't spend much time on the matter...
The Chalk Swallower (gue_barium ) is right, because he provides "links".
And before anyone gets too crazy and tries to post links of their own; his links are always the "links" to the truth of the matter; and what anyone else says, posts or "links" to........is always wrong.
There, that should bring a rational conclusion to this.........non-debate.
:D
I've been civil here, if you want to take this up in PM's give it your best, otherwise, watch yourself.
What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.
Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...
I'll look it up. Were you in Venezuela at the time?
I'll look it up. Were you in Venezuela at the time?
Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.
Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.
I'm looking...can't find anything yet. Do you have any links? I think I can get them translated, if necessary.
Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.
Everything I've found, and this is from a variety of news outlets, says that the media ban was self-imposed.
I haven't found a one that says Chavez shut down the private television stations that day. I can imagine he would have had a good reason to, as they were advocating people to take to the streets during the coup...
But, all I'm finding is that they voluntarily decided not to carry any news on Chavez's return to power.
Everything I've found, and this is from a variety of news outlets, says that the media ban was self-imposed.
I haven't found a one that says Chavez shut down the private television stations that day. I can imagine he would have had a good reason to, as they were advocating people to take to the streets during the coup...
But, all I'm finding is that they voluntarily decided not to carry any news on Chavez's return to power.
Well, I clearly recall that the day Chavez regained power, a news black out took place for 4 or 5 hours. I was at home, going crazy with the remote control and making phone calls to Caracas; and suddenly an Argentine news network said they managed to connect to a Venezuelan cable news network which reported that the frecuency of private networks (RCTV, Venevision and Televen) was being shut down. I'll try to find a link to back me up, for now I'm relying on my memory (which is very good by the way;))
CARACAS, Venezuela - National Guard troops fired tear gas and rubber bullets Monday into a crowd of protesters angry over a decision by President Hugo Chavez that forced a critical television station off the air.
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University students blocked one lane of a major highway hours after Radio Caracas Television ceased broadcasting at midnight and was replaced with a new state-funded channel. Chavez had refused to renew RCTV's broadcast license, accusing it of "subversive" activities and of backing a 2002 coup against him.
Two students were injured by rubber bullets and a third was hit with a tear gas canister, said Ana Teresa Yepez, an administrator at Caracas' Metropolitan University. She said about 20 protesters were treated for inhaling tear gas.
The new public channel, TVES, launched its transmissions with artists singing pro-Chavez music, then carried an exercise program and a talk show, interspersed with government ads proclaiming, "Now Venezuela belongs to everyone."
Crowds of students demonstrated across Caracas, saying they fear for the future of free speech.
"I plan to keep protesting because we're Venezuelans and it's our right," said Valentina Ramos, 17, a Metropolitan University student who was hit in the head with a tear gas canister and received stitches.
She said the protest was peaceful, but National Guard troops said they acted after students hurled rocks and sticks. Police said 11 officers were injured in separate protests on Sunday that were broken up with water cannon and tear gas.
Thousands of government supporters reveled in the streets as they watched the midnight changeover on large TV screens, seeing RCTV's signal go black and then be replaced by a TVES logo. Others launched fireworks and danced in the streets.
Inside the studios of RCTV — the sole opposition-aligned TV station with nationwide reach — disheartened actors and comedians wept and embraced in the final minutes on the air.
They bowed their heads in prayer, and presenter Nelson Bustamante declared: "Long live Venezuela! We will return soon."
The socialist president says he is democratizing the airwaves by turning the network's signal over to public use.
Germany, which holds the
European Union presidency, officially declared its concern that Venezuela let RCTV's license expire "without holding an open competition for the successor license." It said the EU expects that Venezuela will uphold freedom of speech and "support pluralism."
Leading politicians from Peru, Mexico, Brazil, Chile and the Organization of American States also either criticized the closure Monday or made statements reaffirming that freedom of expression is an inherent right in democracies.
Founded in 1953, RCTV regularly topped viewer ratings with its talk shows, sports, soap operas and comedy programs. But Chavez accused the network of helping to incite a failed coup in 2002, violating broadcast laws and "poisoning" Venezuelans with programming that promoted capitalism. RCTV's managers deny wrongdoing.
The government promises TVES will be more diverse, buying 70 percent of its content from independent Venezuelan producers.
"We've come here to start a new television with the true face of the people, the face that was hidden, the face that they didn't allow us to show," said Roman Chalbaud, a pro-Chavez filmmaker appointed by the government to TVES' board of directors.
TVES received US$4 million (€3 million) in startup funds from the government, but officials say it also may seek commercial advertising.
Most Venezuelan news media are in private hands, including many newspapers and radio stations that remain critical of Chavez. But the only major surviving opposition-sided TV channel is Globovision, which is not seen in all parts of the country.
"Almost unconsciously he traced with his finger in the dust on the table: 2+2=5" 1984
Well, I clearly recall that the day Chavez regained power, a news black out took place for 4 or 5 hours. I was at home, going crazy with the remote control and making phone calls to Caracas; and suddenly an Argentine news network said they managed to connect to a Venezuelan cable news network which reported that the frecuency of private networks (RCTV, Venevision and Televen) was being shut down. I'll try to find a link to back me up, for now I'm relying on my memory (which is very good by the way;))
I just read this article written by Francisco Toro who was there over that April weekend. This is quite a story. I had no idea it was so complicated.
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Well, I'll have to rephrase too. I'm referring to freedom of speech, which is what is at stake, not TV or RCTV programming per se.
Certainly I'm no supporter or fan of Bush/Cheney, but it never seems to occur to gue_barium, that sometimes, there are no good guys.
Sometimes, they are all bad guys trying to achieve their own agendas and goals.
Well, I guess if people want regurgitated soap operas on their televisions in Venezuela, they'll have to look elsewhere.
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Wow, for someone who is so nit-picky about what others say; you sure never take much time to get your sentences and facts right.
If you're a stickler for accuracy, you should start with your assumptions and accusations of others. Which by the way are so far off the mark and on anothe planet.
Disecting you comments is a analyst's wet-dream:D
Surely this is all an act. You can't possibily be THAT dumb.
I know you get what she's saying. But you're just making shit up, playing dumb and trying to piss her off.
OK, I'll refrain myself. There is no point whatsoever in arguing with you.
Anyway, I'll say it for the last time, just 'cause I believe it is important: the problem here it is not whether the soapoperas are good or not (that's a non issue, I don't believe in Venezuela there will ever be a shortage of lousy TV shows). The issue here is that this channel was shut down for the sole reason of being the single remaining channel with national coverage with an editorial line contrary to Chavez. The rest is purple prose.
Peace,
Caterina
Maybe it's all purple prose...:) At least take a good look at who is saying what in this article.
The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=2044
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OK I can't help but to be my-stubborn-self.
I read the article. I'm not claiming the measure is illegal, 'cause it is not, it is actually contemplated in the Constitution and in the CONATEL regulations. However, if you look at the background of this case, it is clear that this is censorship.
Can you read Spanish? Just wondering, 'cause if you can I have plenty of information to provide to stress my points. What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.
Regarding RCTV's refusal to cover the return of Chavez to power, Columbia University professor and former NPR editor John Dinges told Marketplace (5/8/07):
What RCTV did simply can't be justified under any stretch of journalistic principles…. When a television channel simply fails to report, simply goes off the air during a period of national crisis, not because they're forced to, but simply because they don't agree with what's happening, you've lost your ability to defend what you do on journalistic principles.
I don't read Spanish. Muy poquito.
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What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.
Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...
The Chalk Swallower (gue_barium ) is right, because he provides "links".
And before anyone gets too crazy and tries to post links of their own; his links are always the "links" to the truth of the matter; and what anyone else says, posts or "links" to........is always wrong.
There, that should bring a rational conclusion to this.........non-debate.
But...but...but....his links are always right!!!!!:D:D
I don't give Chavez a free pass in my opinion of him. As my opinion of Venezuela means nothing in the first place, I don't spend much time on the matter...
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You've been civil? " Watch yourself"?
Oh go fuck yourself, you bullshitting asshole!
You've been behaving like a horse' ass!
Watch myself?
LMAO!!
What are you going to do? Post a link to prove you'eve been civil?:D:D
Certainly the proof in this thread says otherwise.
Were you?
Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.
I'm looking...can't find anything yet. Do you have any links? I think I can get them translated, if necessary.
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better watch yourself Tree ahahahahahahahahahahahaah...................
ahhaahhahahahahahahahahahah watch yourself!!!!
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
post a link
Yet you dismiss the accounts of real live people from Venezuela, LMAO!
Spend more time on it. You need it.
He even admits he hasn't spent any real time on this subject, but he insists the accounts of Venezuelan people, who I know personally, are incorrect.
Incorrect because I can't provide a link to the personall experiences of these people and their families:rolleyes:
You can't make this shit up, guys (shit) like this one......speak for themselves
what a joke.
Oh yeah, I forgot that the cut-off age here was 13 or 14...sorry.
carry on.
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Oh my, an attack on my maturity [cringes in pain]:D
Pretty funny from a guy who was just treathening me in the previous page:rolleyes:
BTW, that's what you got? That's what I should watch out for?
Everything I've found, and this is from a variety of news outlets, says that the media ban was self-imposed.
I haven't found a one that says Chavez shut down the private television stations that day. I can imagine he would have had a good reason to, as they were advocating people to take to the streets during the coup...
But, all I'm finding is that they voluntarily decided not to carry any news on Chavez's return to power.
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Well, I clearly recall that the day Chavez regained power, a news black out took place for 4 or 5 hours. I was at home, going crazy with the remote control and making phone calls to Caracas; and suddenly an Argentine news network said they managed to connect to a Venezuelan cable news network which reported that the frecuency of private networks (RCTV, Venevision and Televen) was being shut down. I'll try to find a link to back me up, for now I'm relying on my memory (which is very good by the way;))
CARACAS, Venezuela - National Guard troops fired tear gas and rubber bullets Monday into a crowd of protesters angry over a decision by President Hugo Chavez that forced a critical television station off the air.
ADVERTISEMENT
University students blocked one lane of a major highway hours after Radio Caracas Television ceased broadcasting at midnight and was replaced with a new state-funded channel. Chavez had refused to renew RCTV's broadcast license, accusing it of "subversive" activities and of backing a 2002 coup against him.
Two students were injured by rubber bullets and a third was hit with a tear gas canister, said Ana Teresa Yepez, an administrator at Caracas' Metropolitan University. She said about 20 protesters were treated for inhaling tear gas.
The new public channel, TVES, launched its transmissions with artists singing pro-Chavez music, then carried an exercise program and a talk show, interspersed with government ads proclaiming, "Now Venezuela belongs to everyone."
Crowds of students demonstrated across Caracas, saying they fear for the future of free speech.
"I plan to keep protesting because we're Venezuelans and it's our right," said Valentina Ramos, 17, a Metropolitan University student who was hit in the head with a tear gas canister and received stitches.
She said the protest was peaceful, but National Guard troops said they acted after students hurled rocks and sticks. Police said 11 officers were injured in separate protests on Sunday that were broken up with water cannon and tear gas.
Thousands of government supporters reveled in the streets as they watched the midnight changeover on large TV screens, seeing RCTV's signal go black and then be replaced by a TVES logo. Others launched fireworks and danced in the streets.
Inside the studios of RCTV — the sole opposition-aligned TV station with nationwide reach — disheartened actors and comedians wept and embraced in the final minutes on the air.
They bowed their heads in prayer, and presenter Nelson Bustamante declared: "Long live Venezuela! We will return soon."
The socialist president says he is democratizing the airwaves by turning the network's signal over to public use.
Germany, which holds the
European Union presidency, officially declared its concern that Venezuela let RCTV's license expire "without holding an open competition for the successor license." It said the EU expects that Venezuela will uphold freedom of speech and "support pluralism."
Leading politicians from Peru, Mexico, Brazil, Chile and the Organization of American States also either criticized the closure Monday or made statements reaffirming that freedom of expression is an inherent right in democracies.
Founded in 1953, RCTV regularly topped viewer ratings with its talk shows, sports, soap operas and comedy programs. But Chavez accused the network of helping to incite a failed coup in 2002, violating broadcast laws and "poisoning" Venezuelans with programming that promoted capitalism. RCTV's managers deny wrongdoing.
The government promises TVES will be more diverse, buying 70 percent of its content from independent Venezuelan producers.
"We've come here to start a new television with the true face of the people, the face that was hidden, the face that they didn't allow us to show," said Roman Chalbaud, a pro-Chavez filmmaker appointed by the government to TVES' board of directors.
TVES received US$4 million (€3 million) in startup funds from the government, but officials say it also may seek commercial advertising.
Most Venezuelan news media are in private hands, including many newspapers and radio stations that remain critical of Chavez. But the only major surviving opposition-sided TV channel is Globovision, which is not seen in all parts of the country.
I just read this article written by Francisco Toro who was there over that April weekend. This is quite a story. I had no idea it was so complicated.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:lc9GH8LKtZwJ:www.proveo.org/11A.pdf+venezuela+news+coverage+2002&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=29&gl=us
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