Chavez shutting down private tv station

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Since when did television become a 'fundamental right'.

Well, I'll have to rephrase too. I'm referring to freedom of speech, which is what is at stake, not TV or RCTV programming per se.

NMyTree

gue_barium only seems to be concerned with painting Chavez as the good guy, and Bush/Cheney as the bad guys.

Certainly I'm no supporter or fan of Bush/Cheney, but it never seems to occur to gue_barium, that sometimes, there are no good guys.

Sometimes, they are all bad guys trying to achieve their own agendas and goals.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Well, I'll have to rephrase too. I'm referring to freedom of speech, which is what is at stake, not TV or RCTV programming per se.

Well, I guess if people want regurgitated soap operas on their televisions in Venezuela, they'll have to look elsewhere.

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

Since when did television become a 'fundamental right'.

Wow, for someone who is so nit-picky about what others say; you sure never take much time to get your sentences and facts right.

If you're a stickler for accuracy, you should start with your assumptions and accusations of others. Which by the way are so far off the mark and on anothe planet.

Disecting you comments is a analyst's wet-dream:D

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

Well, I guess if people want regurgitated soap operas on their televisions in Venezuela, they'll have to look elsewhere.

Surely this is all an act. You can't possibily be THAT dumb.

I know you get what she's saying. But you're just making shit up, playing dumb and trying to piss her off.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Well, I guess if people want regurgitated soap operas on their televisions in Venezuela, they'll have to look elsewhere.

OK, I'll refrain myself. There is no point whatsoever in arguing with you.

Anyway, I'll say it for the last time, just 'cause I believe it is important: the problem here it is not whether the soapoperas are good or not (that's a non issue, I don't believe in Venezuela there will ever be a shortage of lousy TV shows). The issue here is that this channel was shut down for the sole reason of being the single remaining channel with national coverage with an editorial line contrary to Chavez. The rest is purple prose.

Peace,
Caterina

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

OK, I'll refrain myself. There is no point whatsoever in arguing with you.

Anyway, I'll say it for the last time, just 'cause I believe it is important: the problem here it is not whether the soapoperas are good or not (that's a non issue, I don't believe in Venezuela there will ever be a shortage of lousy TV shows). The issue here is that this channel was shut down for the sole reason of being the single remaining channel with national coverage with an editorial line contrary to Chavez. The rest is purple prose.

Peace,
Caterina

Maybe it's all purple prose...:) At least take a good look at who is saying what in this article.

The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=2044

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Maybe it's all purple prose...:) At least take a good look at who is saying what in this article.

The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=2044

OK I can't help but to be my-stubborn-self.

I read the article. I'm not claiming the measure is illegal, 'cause it is not, it is actually contemplated in the Constitution and in the CONATEL regulations. However, if you look at the background of this case, it is clear that this is censorship.

Can you read Spanish? Just wondering, 'cause if you can I have plenty of information to provide to stress my points. What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

OK I can't help but to be my-stubborn-self.

I read the article. I'm not claiming the measure is illegal, 'cause it is not, it is actually contemplated in the Constitution and in the CONATEL regulations. However, if you look at the background of this case, it is clear that this is censorship.

Can you read Spanish? Just wondering, 'cause if you can I have plenty of information to provide to stress my points. What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.

Then what do you make of this part of the article:

Regarding RCTV's refusal to cover the return of Chavez to power, Columbia University professor and former NPR editor John Dinges told Marketplace (5/8/07):


What RCTV did simply can't be justified under any stretch of journalistic principles…. When a television channel simply fails to report, simply goes off the air during a period of national crisis, not because they're forced to, but simply because they don't agree with what's happening, you've lost your ability to defend what you do on journalistic principles.

I don't read Spanish. Muy poquito.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Then what do you make of this part of the article:

Regarding RCTV's refusal to cover the return of Chavez to power, Columbia University professor and former NPR editor John Dinges told Marketplace (5/8/07):


What RCTV did simply can't be justified under any stretch of journalistic principles…. When a television channel simply fails to report, simply goes off the air during a period of national crisis, not because they're forced to, but simply because they don't agree with what's happening, you've lost your ability to defend what you do on journalistic principles.

I don't read Spanish. Muy poquito.

What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.

Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...

NMyTree

Just to summarize:

The Chalk Swallower (gue_barium ) is right, because he provides "links".

And before anyone gets too crazy and tries to post links of their own; his links are always the "links" to the truth of the matter; and what anyone else says, posts or "links" to........is always wrong.

There, that should bring a rational conclusion to this.........non-debate.

:D

NMyTree

CaterinaA wrote:

What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.

Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...

But...but...but....his links are always right!!!!!:D:D

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

What bothers me the most about this Chavez thing is the fact that since Bush is so unpopular and disliked (for valid reasons I might add), since Chavez has openly critized him, he gets a free pass.

I don't give Chavez a free pass in my opinion of him. As my opinion of Venezuela means nothing in the first place, I don't spend much time on the matter...

gue_barium

NMyTree wrote:

Just to summarize:

The Chalk Swallower (gue_barium ) is right, because he provides "links".

And before anyone gets too crazy and tries to post links of their own; his links are always the "links" to the truth of the matter; and what anyone else says, posts or "links" to........is always wrong.

There, that should bring a rational conclusion to this.........non-debate.

:D

I've been civil here, if you want to take this up in PM's give it your best, otherwise, watch yourself.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

What I make of that is that it is not true. When Chavez returned to power, all private networks frequencies were shut down by the government for hours. I remember it very clearly. Only official networks were able to broadcast that day and a small local cable news channel.

Too bad you don't speak Spanish, in this case it could be very handy...

I'll look it up. Were you in Venezuela at the time?

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

I've been civil here, if you want to take this up in PM's give it your best, otherwise, watch yourself.

You've been civil? " Watch yourself"?

Oh go fuck yourself, you bullshitting asshole!

You've been behaving like a horse' ass!

Watch myself?

LMAO!!

What are you going to do? Post a link to prove you'eve been civil?:D:D

Certainly the proof in this thread says otherwise.

NMyTree

gue_barium wrote:

Were you in Venezuela at the time?

Were you?

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

I'll look it up. Were you in Venezuela at the time?

Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Well, not during those days; but since it was a holiday here in Argentina I spent the long weekend attached to my TV and to the phone making sure all my friends and their families were OK.

I'm looking...can't find anything yet. Do you have any links? I think I can get them translated, if necessary.

NMyTree

must find a link....must find a link.....must post a link.......must watch Judge Whoppner at 4:00 PM Eastern Time....must watch Whoppner