I don't think anyone on my side is saying we don't have dirty hands...
But at least we can agree that it isn't about religion, it's about manipulating religion by the politically powerful to persuade the poor. Islamofascist LEADERS are not poor, but the people willing to blow themselves up are. I can only encourage you to look at the actual statements of said leaders, and the reality that religion plays in our military vs. theirs.
They are a more religious people than we are and they may use their religion to have on their side when they do these things. But they are not doing what they do because we are not Islamic.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
They are a more religious people than we are and they may use their religion to have on their side when they do these things. But they are not doing what they do because we are not Islamic.
depends on who you refer to by "they"
the leadership, they don't care that we are not Islamic. But their followers that blow themselves up do.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Again, the intention of other terrorists is to cause harm civil disrupt and fear. Nothing constructive. Just to hurt others. That is not the intention of the CIA.
As an aside, I would never call anyone who died in 9/11 lucky. Not compared to anything. People who die as a result of terror aren't lucky, there's no reason to compare the different kinds of death. Its just wrong regardless.
Its interesting you bring up intent, especially when we are comparing the contras in Nicauragua to today's terrorists. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist is true today, whereas the contras had no popular support and were not fighting against repression, more the opposite.
They only had one objective-to instill fear through violence in the population of Nicauragua. The idea was to give the population a choice-vote for your guy and we give you blood, vote for the US guy and the violence will stop, and they eventually capitulated, after many years and some 20-30 thousand dead. Can't really blame them given the brutality of the Contras.
Being burned alive is one thing...being tortured and beaten for a week and then being burned alive is another, especially while your wife and kids are being forced to watch...it was a terrible thing what the CIA did in Nicauragua, and there are many more examples of this kind of brutality.
Its interesting you bring up intent, especially when we are comparing the contras in Nicauragua to today's terrorists. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist is true today, whereas the contras had no popular support and were not fighting against repression, more the opposite.
They only had one objective-to instill fear through violence in the population of Nicauragua. The idea was to give the population a choice-vote for your guy and we give you blood, vote for the US guy and the violence will stop, and they eventually capitulated, after many years and some 20-30 thousand dead. Can't really blame them given the brutality of the Contras.
Being burned alive is one thing...being tortured and beaten for a week and then being burned alive is another, especially while your wife and kids are being forced to watch...it was a terrible thing what the CIA did in Nicauragua, and there are many more examples of this kind of brutality.
As 'PurpleHawk' stated, I think most Americans agree that we have dirty hands.
And yes- Latin/South America in the 70's and 80's was disastrous. There are direct parallels to current day Iraq where we have destroyed lives, economies and governments in the name of democracy when we were only after economic security to protect our own business interests.
What I fail to understand completely is why Bin Laden is after us instead of Russia for example. I believe this 'war' has more to do with our prosperity than religion, past injustices or our support of Israel. Ask the next suicide bomber why he wants to kill Americans and I doubt you get a coherent response...
I think our way of life is better. But our foreign policy is bullshit and only keeps these countries in in the mess they are currently in. Look into most of these countries past and you'll see the US has interfered. Most of those coutries we have helped support dictators and squash democractic attempts. The instability in the area works for our govt's interests.
So you think that the foreign policy of these other countries is better than our own? I agree that the US played a part in creating a mess but that still is no reason to take the responsibility away from the other country.
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As 'PurpleHawk' stated, I think most Americans agree that we have dirty hands.
And yes- Latin/South America in the 70's and 80's was disastrous. There are direct parallels to current day Iraq where we have destroyed lives, economies and governments in the name of democracy when we were only after economic security to protect our own business interests.
What I fail to understand completely is why Bin Laden is after us instead of Russia for example. I believe this 'war' has more to do with our prosperity than religion, past injustices or our support of Israel. Ask the next suicide bomber why he wants to kill Americans and I doubt you get a coherent response...
Bin Laden has explained why he is after the US...and if you think about it he's got a point. Russia doesn't have troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, near Mecca even, the Islam's holiest of sites, they aren't supporting the very harsh Saudi royals. They aren't arming Turkey, one of the more violent states in the region. They haven't been giving Israel weaponry in the amount of 2 billion dollars a year, the most violent state in the region-including nuclear technology. They haven't invaded Afghanistan lately....
The US has its hand in more countries than the rest of the world combined...over 150 around the world...some of the influence is purely ecvonomic, but much of our influence is pushed through violence. Russia's been having a tough time just maintaining their own soverignty. The only issue radicals might have with Russia is Chechnya, where Russia has been prettty harsh in their annex.
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They are a more religious people than we are and they may use their religion to have on their side when they do these things. But they are not doing what they do because we are not Islamic.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
depends on who you refer to by "they"
the leadership, they don't care that we are not Islamic. But their followers that blow themselves up do.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Its interesting you bring up intent, especially when we are comparing the contras in Nicauragua to today's terrorists. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist is true today, whereas the contras had no popular support and were not fighting against repression, more the opposite.
They only had one objective-to instill fear through violence in the population of Nicauragua. The idea was to give the population a choice-vote for your guy and we give you blood, vote for the US guy and the violence will stop, and they eventually capitulated, after many years and some 20-30 thousand dead. Can't really blame them given the brutality of the Contras.
Being burned alive is one thing...being tortured and beaten for a week and then being burned alive is another, especially while your wife and kids are being forced to watch...it was a terrible thing what the CIA did in Nicauragua, and there are many more examples of this kind of brutality.
Just info...
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-2-03.html
As 'PurpleHawk' stated, I think most Americans agree that we have dirty hands.
And yes- Latin/South America in the 70's and 80's was disastrous. There are direct parallels to current day Iraq where we have destroyed lives, economies and governments in the name of democracy when we were only after economic security to protect our own business interests.
What I fail to understand completely is why Bin Laden is after us instead of Russia for example. I believe this 'war' has more to do with our prosperity than religion, past injustices or our support of Israel. Ask the next suicide bomber why he wants to kill Americans and I doubt you get a coherent response...
So you think that the foreign policy of these other countries is better than our own? I agree that the US played a part in creating a mess but that still is no reason to take the responsibility away from the other country.
Bin Laden has explained why he is after the US...and if you think about it he's got a point. Russia doesn't have troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, near Mecca even, the Islam's holiest of sites, they aren't supporting the very harsh Saudi royals. They aren't arming Turkey, one of the more violent states in the region. They haven't been giving Israel weaponry in the amount of 2 billion dollars a year, the most violent state in the region-including nuclear technology. They haven't invaded Afghanistan lately....
The US has its hand in more countries than the rest of the world combined...over 150 around the world...some of the influence is purely ecvonomic, but much of our influence is pushed through violence. Russia's been having a tough time just maintaining their own soverignty. The only issue radicals might have with Russia is Chechnya, where Russia has been prettty harsh in their annex.