Example of Muslim Leadership Part II

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  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yeah, I am against violence and killing no matter what country or religion it has. Our government uses more violence and has killed more but I figure that's only because we have more resources to do so. The only way to stop this shit is for everyone to urge diplomacy and condemn violence. You can't just say 'Well, they are doing it.' It only prolongs this cycle of endless violence. It has to stop.

    And when diplomacy fails what is the next course of (in)action?
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Religions don't kill people. Guns do.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yeah, I am against violence and killing no matter what country or religion it has. Our government uses more violence and has killed more but I figure that's only because we have more resources to do so. The only way to stop this shit is for everyone to urge diplomacy and condemn violence. You can't just say 'Well, they are doing it.' It only prolongs this cycle of endless violence. It has to stop.

    I am against violence and killing to. However, I have resolved to accept military action when there are people in the world, who are unwilling to use diplomacy, and use violence against others and treat them in horrific ways. If my nation is threatened, and there is no diplomatic way to stave off the threat, than military action becomes necessary. It is a sad truth.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Collin wrote:
    Blame, accountibility or responsibility shouldn't fall on the shoulders of Islam, imo but on the shoulders of the radical muslims.

    I agree completely. Its not the religion as a whole that is bad. Sadly however, in Muslim countries the extremist view has been growing and has becoming in many cases the predominant view.
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  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Collin wrote:
    Blame, accountibility or responsibility shouldn't fall on the shoulders of Islam, imo but on the shoulders of the radical muslims.

    The problem is the countries where these radical muslims hide and live either support or condone their actions. This then requires military action to stop them from carrying out further attacks which leads to innocent lives being lost.

    How to stop this endless circle of violence?? Not until they stop blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Because he didn't say but or if. Usually new is better than old. Old means outdated.

    And that is why the Old Testament is a totally biased and unfair name for what should be referred to the Hebrew Bible. For the Jews there is no New Testament. Only the original.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Jammin909 wrote:
    The problem is the countries where these radical muslims hide and live either support or condone their actions. This then requires military action to stop them from carrying out further attacks which leads to innocent lives being lost.

    How to stop this endless circle of violence?? Not until they stop blowing up trains, towers, and subways.

    Military action is only a temporary solution, in this case not a solution at all.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    There are plenty of of high level leaders in the church and in the political community who have come out against the president. Look at his approval rating. Turn on the news. Everything is anti-Bush, anti-war. If I wasn't American and turned on the news and read the message boards and followed the polls, I would say that the country is very much anti-Bush and his actions.

    I doubt I could say the same thing by watching Muslim television, or by reading Muslim newspapers.

    So you havent watched muslim tv or read muslim newspapers, yet you make blank statements based on your own bias? Brilliant. Religion has nothing to do with whether people can speak out against they're goverment. Politics does. You're refusal to factor any other variable than religion is wrong and disturbing.
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Collin wrote:
    Military action is only a temporary solution, in this case not a solution at all.

    Military action is only in response to the current threat.

    The long-term solution would be to have stable and prosperous countries with leaders who spend their billions upon billions of oil surpluses revamping infrastructure, education and industry. I believe the Muslim only becomes a radical when there are no other opportunities.

    On the other hand there are many people other poor people with unstable governments in the world that don’t go around on assignment blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    yosi wrote:
    I am against violence and killing to. However, I have resolved to accept military action when there are people in the world, who are unwilling to use diplomacy, and use violence against others and treat them in horrific ways. If my nation is threatened, and there is no diplomatic way to stave off the threat, than military action becomes necessary. It is a sad truth.


    Violence will not solve violence. You're only kidding yourself if you think it will. What has the violence thus far produced?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    yosi wrote:
    And that is why the Old Testament is a totally biased and unfair name for what should be referred to the Hebrew Bible. For the Jews there is no New Testament. Only the original.

    I think the Bible is bullshit, through and through. I am addressing christian nations not jewish ones.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Jammin909 wrote:
    And when diplomacy fails what is the next course of (in)action?

    Defense not offense.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    yosi wrote:
    I agree completely. Its not the religion as a whole that is bad. Sadly however, in Muslim countries the extremist view has been growing and has becoming in many cases the predominant view.

    Perhaps it has more to do with location than religion.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Violence will not solve violence. You're only kidding yourself if you think it will. What has the violence thus far produced?

    I don't think it will either, but sometimes military action is needed to stave off further violence. In certain situations if there is no military action then all that will be left is the destruction of a people/nation/country and the death of innocents. Sometimes militants need to be taken out in order to save innocents.
    However, the only lasting solution is obviously diplomatic - although lasting is certainly up for debate.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I think the Bible is bullshit, through and through. I am addressing christian nations not jewish ones.

    You think that the events in the Bible are bullshit, or you think that there is nothing positive to be learned from the Bible, and is not inspirational in anyway (two totally different things).

    And it doesn't matter who you are addressing since there are Jewish people reading on this forum. Be more specific in when your posting with who you are addressing.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Perhaps it has more to do with location than religion.

    I certainly think so. I also think it has to do with who is in power in these countries and how they may influence the thinking of others. I do NOT think (and maybe I am being naive - I hope not though) that Islam is an inherently violent religion. When taken to the extreme level though, it is easy to see why some people would think it might be. But again, that may very well have to do with location.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    yosi wrote:
    You think that the events in the Bible are bullshit, or you think that there is nothing positive to be learned from the Bible, and is not inspirational in anyway (two totally different things).

    And it doesn't matter who you are addressing since there are Jewish people reading on this forum. Be more specific in when your posting with who you are addressing.

    I think the teaching of Jesus are valuable. But I'm agnostic leaning towards atheism.

    I meant I'm addressing how christian nations use violence just as much as muslim ones....not that jewish posters couldn't reply.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I think the teaching of Jesus are valuable. But I'm agnostic leaning towards atheism.

    I meant I'm addressing how christian nations use violence just as much as muslim ones....not that jewish posters couldn't reply.

    I know, but you refered to the New Testament as better because it was new. That is offensive to a Jewish view. You could have said it in a better way. But its not really important because I think we are in agreement.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Defense not offense.

    What do you mean by defense? Military action can be defensive.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    yosi wrote:
    I certainly think so. I also think it has to do with who is in power in these countries and how they may influence the thinking of others. I do NOT think (and maybe I am being naive - I hope not though) that Islam is an inherently violent religion. When taken to the extreme level though, it is easy to see why some people would think it might be. But again, that may very well have to do with location.

    I think that perhaps Middle Eastern people are more devout with their religion so people associate their actions with their religion. Their actions are based on our foreign policy.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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