They are always justified in their manipulation, bullying and violence.
No blame, accountibility or responsibility should ever fall on a Muslim's shoulders. The Prophet says so.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
....and the apologists dance.
Nope.
I'm saying christian nations are no better than muslim ones. They are both violent and reactionary. But the fact is christian nations kill way more people than islamic ones. I figured you'd be equally pissed at both.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And my argument is weak when I'm quoting Jesus and you are the one assuming what he would have done. Hmmmm
The Bible is a large book that includes the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God struck down many nations and enabled the Jews to win many battles. It is noble to give up your life for anothers. That is what the brave men of the Allied forces did in WWII. How do you know that Jesus meant to turn the other cheek when a nation decides to kill millions of people in furnaces and gas chambers?
The problem that I have is when you say something like "Murderous, corrupt, deceitful = The US government", you portray only the US government as being "bad". You should at least be equally rebuking the leadership of such governments like Iraq and Iran. It is not fair to only make statements like that about the United States which I still believe to be doing a better job (although
not great) than these and other Arab governments.
Well said...
Yes, we have nukes but we have behaved well in past decades and have a stable and established system. Half these countries have new governments, constitutions, and parliaments every other week. It is not acceptable for these countries to have nukes when they will only use the technology to blackmail the west.
Ahmadinejad does not want nuclear technology so he can supply his poor citizens with cheap and reliable energy...
I am refering too to the actions of these governments.
The problem that I have is when you say something like "Murderous, corrupt, deceitful = The US government", you portray only the US government as being "bad". You should at least be equally rebuking the leadership of such governments like Iraq and Iran. It is not fair to only make statements like that about the United States which I still believe to be doing a better job (although not great) than these and other Arab governments.
Yeah, I am against violence and killing no matter what country or religion it has. Our government uses more violence and has killed more but I figure that's only because we have more resources to do so. The only way to stop this shit is for everyone to urge diplomacy and condemn violence. You can't just say 'Well, they are doing it.' It only prolongs this cycle of endless violence. It has to stop.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yes, we have nukes but we have behaved well in past decades and have a stable and established system. Half these countries have new governments, constitutions, and parliaments every other week. It is not acceptable for these countries to have nukes when they will only use the technology to blackmail the west.
Ahmadinejad does not want nuclear technology so he can supply his poor citizens with cheap and reliable energy...
If you are against violence than you are against it no matter who. You can't condemn Muslim violence and then ok our own.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The Bible is a large book that includes the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God struck down many nations and enabled the Jews to win many battles. It is noble to give up your life for anothers. That is what the brave men of the Allied forces did in WWII. How do you know that Jesus meant to turn the other cheek when a nation decides to kill millions of people in furnaces and gas chambers?
Because he didn't say but or if. Usually new is better than old. Old means outdated.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yeah, I am against violence and killing no matter what country or religion it has. Our government uses more violence and has killed more but I figure that's only because we have more resources to do so. The only way to stop this shit is for everyone to urge diplomacy and condemn violence. You can't just say 'Well, they are doing it.' It only prolongs this cycle of endless violence. It has to stop.
And when diplomacy fails what is the next course of (in)action?
Yeah, I am against violence and killing no matter what country or religion it has. Our government uses more violence and has killed more but I figure that's only because we have more resources to do so. The only way to stop this shit is for everyone to urge diplomacy and condemn violence. You can't just say 'Well, they are doing it.' It only prolongs this cycle of endless violence. It has to stop.
I am against violence and killing to. However, I have resolved to accept military action when there are people in the world, who are unwilling to use diplomacy, and use violence against others and treat them in horrific ways. If my nation is threatened, and there is no diplomatic way to stave off the threat, than military action becomes necessary. It is a sad truth.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
Blame, accountibility or responsibility shouldn't fall on the shoulders of Islam, imo but on the shoulders of the radical muslims.
I agree completely. Its not the religion as a whole that is bad. Sadly however, in Muslim countries the extremist view has been growing and has becoming in many cases the predominant view.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
Blame, accountibility or responsibility shouldn't fall on the shoulders of Islam, imo but on the shoulders of the radical muslims.
The problem is the countries where these radical muslims hide and live either support or condone their actions. This then requires military action to stop them from carrying out further attacks which leads to innocent lives being lost.
How to stop this endless circle of violence?? Not until they stop blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
Because he didn't say but or if. Usually new is better than old. Old means outdated.
And that is why the Old Testament is a totally biased and unfair name for what should be referred to the Hebrew Bible. For the Jews there is no New Testament. Only the original.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
The problem is the countries where these radical muslims hide and live either support or condone their actions. This then requires military action to stop them from carrying out further attacks which leads to innocent lives being lost.
How to stop this endless circle of violence?? Not until they stop blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
Military action is only a temporary solution, in this case not a solution at all.
There are plenty of of high level leaders in the church and in the political community who have come out against the president. Look at his approval rating. Turn on the news. Everything is anti-Bush, anti-war. If I wasn't American and turned on the news and read the message boards and followed the polls, I would say that the country is very much anti-Bush and his actions.
I doubt I could say the same thing by watching Muslim television, or by reading Muslim newspapers.
So you havent watched muslim tv or read muslim newspapers, yet you make blank statements based on your own bias? Brilliant. Religion has nothing to do with whether people can speak out against they're goverment. Politics does. You're refusal to factor any other variable than religion is wrong and disturbing.
Military action is only a temporary solution, in this case not a solution at all.
Military action is only in response to the current threat.
The long-term solution would be to have stable and prosperous countries with leaders who spend their billions upon billions of oil surpluses revamping infrastructure, education and industry. I believe the Muslim only becomes a radical when there are no other opportunities.
On the other hand there are many people other poor people with unstable governments in the world that don’t go around on assignment blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
I am against violence and killing to. However, I have resolved to accept military action when there are people in the world, who are unwilling to use diplomacy, and use violence against others and treat them in horrific ways. If my nation is threatened, and there is no diplomatic way to stave off the threat, than military action becomes necessary. It is a sad truth.
Violence will not solve violence. You're only kidding yourself if you think it will. What has the violence thus far produced?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And that is why the Old Testament is a totally biased and unfair name for what should be referred to the Hebrew Bible. For the Jews there is no New Testament. Only the original.
I think the Bible is bullshit, through and through. I am addressing christian nations not jewish ones.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree completely. Its not the religion as a whole that is bad. Sadly however, in Muslim countries the extremist view has been growing and has becoming in many cases the predominant view.
Perhaps it has more to do with location than religion.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Violence will not solve violence. You're only kidding yourself if you think it will. What has the violence thus far produced?
I don't think it will either, but sometimes military action is needed to stave off further violence. In certain situations if there is no military action then all that will be left is the destruction of a people/nation/country and the death of innocents. Sometimes militants need to be taken out in order to save innocents.
However, the only lasting solution is obviously diplomatic - although lasting is certainly up for debate.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
I think the Bible is bullshit, through and through. I am addressing christian nations not jewish ones.
You think that the events in the Bible are bullshit, or you think that there is nothing positive to be learned from the Bible, and is not inspirational in anyway (two totally different things).
And it doesn't matter who you are addressing since there are Jewish people reading on this forum. Be more specific in when your posting with who you are addressing.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
Perhaps it has more to do with location than religion.
I certainly think so. I also think it has to do with who is in power in these countries and how they may influence the thinking of others. I do NOT think (and maybe I am being naive - I hope not though) that Islam is an inherently violent religion. When taken to the extreme level though, it is easy to see why some people would think it might be. But again, that may very well have to do with location.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
You think that the events in the Bible are bullshit, or you think that there is nothing positive to be learned from the Bible, and is not inspirational in anyway (two totally different things).
And it doesn't matter who you are addressing since there are Jewish people reading on this forum. Be more specific in when your posting with who you are addressing.
I think the teaching of Jesus are valuable. But I'm agnostic leaning towards atheism.
I meant I'm addressing how christian nations use violence just as much as muslim ones....not that jewish posters couldn't reply.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think the teaching of Jesus are valuable. But I'm agnostic leaning towards atheism.
I meant I'm addressing how christian nations use violence just as much as muslim ones....not that jewish posters couldn't reply.
I know, but you refered to the New Testament as better because it was new. That is offensive to a Jewish view. You could have said it in a better way. But its not really important because I think we are in agreement.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
I certainly think so. I also think it has to do with who is in power in these countries and how they may influence the thinking of others. I do NOT think (and maybe I am being naive - I hope not though) that Islam is an inherently violent religion. When taken to the extreme level though, it is easy to see why some people would think it might be. But again, that may very well have to do with location.
I think that perhaps Middle Eastern people are more devout with their religion so people associate their actions with their religion. Their actions are based on our foreign policy.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Comments
They are always justified in their manipulation, bullying and violence.
No blame, accountibility or responsibility should ever fall on a Muslim's shoulders. The Prophet says so.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
....and the apologists dance.
Nope.
I'm saying christian nations are no better than muslim ones. They are both violent and reactionary. But the fact is christian nations kill way more people than islamic ones. I figured you'd be equally pissed at both.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The Bible is a large book that includes the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God struck down many nations and enabled the Jews to win many battles. It is noble to give up your life for anothers. That is what the brave men of the Allied forces did in WWII. How do you know that Jesus meant to turn the other cheek when a nation decides to kill millions of people in furnaces and gas chambers?
Well said...
Yes, we have nukes but we have behaved well in past decades and have a stable and established system. Half these countries have new governments, constitutions, and parliaments every other week. It is not acceptable for these countries to have nukes when they will only use the technology to blackmail the west.
Ahmadinejad does not want nuclear technology so he can supply his poor citizens with cheap and reliable energy...
Yeah, I am against violence and killing no matter what country or religion it has. Our government uses more violence and has killed more but I figure that's only because we have more resources to do so. The only way to stop this shit is for everyone to urge diplomacy and condemn violence. You can't just say 'Well, they are doing it.' It only prolongs this cycle of endless violence. It has to stop.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If the US backed off, there would be slaughter.
If you are against violence than you are against it no matter who. You can't condemn Muslim violence and then ok our own.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
There is slaughter now.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Blame, accountibility or responsibility shouldn't fall on the shoulders of Islam, imo but on the shoulders of the radical muslims.
naděje umírá poslední
Because he didn't say but or if. Usually new is better than old. Old means outdated.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And when diplomacy fails what is the next course of (in)action?
I am against violence and killing to. However, I have resolved to accept military action when there are people in the world, who are unwilling to use diplomacy, and use violence against others and treat them in horrific ways. If my nation is threatened, and there is no diplomatic way to stave off the threat, than military action becomes necessary. It is a sad truth.
I agree completely. Its not the religion as a whole that is bad. Sadly however, in Muslim countries the extremist view has been growing and has becoming in many cases the predominant view.
The problem is the countries where these radical muslims hide and live either support or condone their actions. This then requires military action to stop them from carrying out further attacks which leads to innocent lives being lost.
How to stop this endless circle of violence?? Not until they stop blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
And that is why the Old Testament is a totally biased and unfair name for what should be referred to the Hebrew Bible. For the Jews there is no New Testament. Only the original.
Military action is only a temporary solution, in this case not a solution at all.
naděje umírá poslední
So you havent watched muslim tv or read muslim newspapers, yet you make blank statements based on your own bias? Brilliant. Religion has nothing to do with whether people can speak out against they're goverment. Politics does. You're refusal to factor any other variable than religion is wrong and disturbing.
Military action is only in response to the current threat.
The long-term solution would be to have stable and prosperous countries with leaders who spend their billions upon billions of oil surpluses revamping infrastructure, education and industry. I believe the Muslim only becomes a radical when there are no other opportunities.
On the other hand there are many people other poor people with unstable governments in the world that don’t go around on assignment blowing up trains, towers, and subways.
Violence will not solve violence. You're only kidding yourself if you think it will. What has the violence thus far produced?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think the Bible is bullshit, through and through. I am addressing christian nations not jewish ones.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Defense not offense.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Perhaps it has more to do with location than religion.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't think it will either, but sometimes military action is needed to stave off further violence. In certain situations if there is no military action then all that will be left is the destruction of a people/nation/country and the death of innocents. Sometimes militants need to be taken out in order to save innocents.
However, the only lasting solution is obviously diplomatic - although lasting is certainly up for debate.
You think that the events in the Bible are bullshit, or you think that there is nothing positive to be learned from the Bible, and is not inspirational in anyway (two totally different things).
And it doesn't matter who you are addressing since there are Jewish people reading on this forum. Be more specific in when your posting with who you are addressing.
I certainly think so. I also think it has to do with who is in power in these countries and how they may influence the thinking of others. I do NOT think (and maybe I am being naive - I hope not though) that Islam is an inherently violent religion. When taken to the extreme level though, it is easy to see why some people would think it might be. But again, that may very well have to do with location.
I think the teaching of Jesus are valuable. But I'm agnostic leaning towards atheism.
I meant I'm addressing how christian nations use violence just as much as muslim ones....not that jewish posters couldn't reply.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I know, but you refered to the New Testament as better because it was new. That is offensive to a Jewish view. You could have said it in a better way. But its not really important because I think we are in agreement.
What do you mean by defense? Military action can be defensive.
I think that perhaps Middle Eastern people are more devout with their religion so people associate their actions with their religion. Their actions are based on our foreign policy.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde