I can't speak for all "Christian schools", but my wife teaches at an Episcopal school. For those who don't know, Episcopal is best described as "Catholic light". It is somewhere in between Protestant and Catholic, but has priests that can actually can marry, some are actually women themselves. The head priest, Father Bob, is married (to a hot woman, might I add) and is from Vancouver and plays hockey. Anyway, the school is probably 90% anglo. And most of the parents are quite conservative Christians. But there are a small minority of Muslims and Jews. I can assure you that there is no hate taught at this school. My wife and I are liberal in our beliefs but we talk a lot about her students and their attitudes and she's made clear she's never seen any discrimination or even off color remarks made towards these minority students. Occasionally she'll hear the innocent, naive comments from teachers, but she never took offense to them. So as far as this Christian school goes, hate is definitely not taught. In fact, they've hired an African American woman to help recruit more minorities at their school. They seek diversity. The US is slowly evolving from a white run, Christian country into a extremely diverse one. Some people get it, some don't.
Because that is all you do. Israel is guilty of countless crimes against the Palestinian people but the pendulum swings both ways. You on the other hand fail to recognize the wrongs the Palestinians, and other Arab states, had committed against Israel. Just as in the case I made. US foreign policy is responsible for the many misfortunes that transpire in the Middle East but the Muslims themselves are equally responsible for the conditions there. You have opportunist who would take advantage of the situation in order to prevert the Islamic faith and spread that radical form to all who are downtrodden.
Now instead of viewing my post as a whole and realizing that I was placing the blame on these groups and US foreign policy, which I stated clearly, you decided to pick out one sentence and call me a racist based on that alone.
I honestly expected this from you because you usually have nothing of any value to add to any debate on this thread. You come on here with your holier than though attitude believing that you know better than the rest simply because they don't agree with your half assed beliefs.
Also I apologize, you are not an anti-semite. You are just a clueless bastard.
Let's take another look at your original post then shall we?
They hate us because that is what they are taught from the moment of conception. Many of the oppressive corrupt regimes in Muslim countries, ie. Saudi Arabia, spend a lot of money building religious schools to indoctrinate the poor young citizens of said country into this militant extremist form of Islam. They also teach these young men that the West, specially the US, is the reason for all their misery. This is the only way these governments can take the focus off of them and the way they treat their own people like shit. It also doesn't help that we back and support many of these governments. So in short the teachings of these government backed religious school plus our own actions is the reason why we are hated.
So, in your opinion 'they' hate 'us' because 'they' are indoctrinated by corrupt regimes, and 'they' also hate 'us' because 'we' unwittingly support many of these governments.
And you accuse me of being a clueless bastard? I'll let everyone on this board make up their own minds about which one of us is a clueless bastard.
Let's take another look at your original post then shall we?
So, in your opinion 'they' hate 'us' because 'they' are indoctrinated by corrupt regimes, and 'they' also hate 'us' because 'we' unwittingly support many of these governments.
And you accuse me of being a clueless bastard? I'll let everyone on this board make up their own minds about which one of us is a clueless bastard.
That's what I like about you Byrnzie no matter how stupid you sound you just keep on plugging away.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Let's take another look at your original post then shall we?
So, in your opinion 'they' hate 'us' because 'they' are indoctrinated by corrupt regimes, and 'they' also hate 'us' because 'we' unwittingly support many of these governments.
And you accuse me of being a clueless bastard? I'll let everyone on this board make up their own minds about which one of us is a clueless bastard.
dude you arent american. stop pretending like you know what the fuck goes on here. you are such a joke. millions of americans protest everyday whether it be in the streets, in a letter, on the internet, on ta, or in a newspaper. how many radical anti bush news columns come out daily? does the government harass back? probably sometimes.
even you, and marxist anti semitic brit can write into an american news paper and have a hate piece about bush published.
but you'd like to claim we get some type of middle east treatment where you are locked in a jail cell and tortured or killed by the opposition. maybe you missed the recent events in pakistan.
you want to talk about people being intimidated into keeping their mouth shut in america? ok, stand on the corner and proclaim jesus was gay in new york city. or stand on the corner in Islamabad with a sign that says Allah is gay.
where will you be more scared and intimidated?
Nice way of avoiding my list of cases of Americans being intimidated into shutting their mouths.
You can only answer with personal attacks and by assuming that because I don't live in America I know nothing of what goes there.
Stop trying to pretend that America has a free press. The American media is known the world over to be a fucking joke. Get yourself back to school.
Let's take another look at your original post then shall we?
So, in your opinion 'they' hate 'us' because 'they' are indoctrinated by corrupt regimes, and 'they' also hate 'us' because 'we' unwittingly support many of these governments.
And you accuse me of being a clueless bastard? I'll let everyone on this board make up their own minds about which one of us is a clueless bastard.
Well I have already posted two article supporting my statement about hatred being taught at Muslim religious schools and here is one about our foreign policy. I figured I would use the Nation since I'm sure that publication is right up your alley.
So I believe I have provided support for my argument but you have yet to post your argument or anything to support your argument. All you have done is post loads of bile. So are you going to provide anything to counter my argument or are you going to continue being a wanker.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Nice way of avoiding my list of cases of Americans being intimidated into shutting their mouths.
You can only answer with personal attacks and by assuming that because I don't live in America I know nothing of what goes there.
Stop trying to pretend that America has a free press. The American media is known the world over to be a fucking joke. Get yourself back to school.
well I would know alot more then you seeing how I live here. so yea, you really dont know whats going on here. I see people protesting all the time. there are people who protest by themselves EVERYDAY on the streets of downtown chicago. amazing how you say we arent free when you are posting on an american message board. you are free to say whatever you want here. people like olberman go on tv every night and smear bush. why isnt he in jail yet? keep it comin dude, I'll have a fun time "taking you to school" today
nice way of avoiding my question. where would you feel more intimidated in my example?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Well I have already posted two article supporting my statement about hatred being taught at Muslim religious schools and here is one about our foreign policy. I figured I would use the Nation since I'm sure that publication is right up your alley.
So I believe I have provided support for my argument but you have yet to post your argument or anything to support your argument. All you have done is post loads of bile. So are you going to provide anything to counter my argument or are you going to continue being a wanker.
I'll just stick to defending my criticism of your original post, rather than referring to anything you've posted since in an attempt to wriggle out of it.
So you have nothing constructive to say? Nothing new there then.
I have posted three article to support my point. You have posted none. All you have done is call me a racist. You have offered absolutely nothing to the debate but your childish antics which is what I expect from you. I know your type, since you can't offer up a respectable or even intelligent counter argument you resort to personal attacks. It's actually pretty pathetic.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
what does that mean? am I missing the death to muslims chants somewhere? it's great another european is going to come in here and tell us how it really is in america
I'll just stick to defending my crititism of your original post, rather than referring to anything you've posted since in an attempt to wriggle out of it.
Your baseless criticism.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
well I would know alot more then you seeing how I live here. so yea, you really dont know whats going on here. I see people protesting all the time. there are people who protest by themselves EVERYDAY on the streets of downtown chicago. amazing how you say we arent free when you are posting on an american message board. you are free to say whatever you want here. people like olberman go on tv every night and smear bush. why isnt he in jail yet? keep it comin dude, I'll have a fun time "taking you to school" today
nice way of avoiding my question. where would you feel more intimidated in my example?
America has the illusion of a free press, sure. The reality is somewhat different however. Sure, it's o.k to poke fun at the president, and even to publish full page adverts in the papers ala Sean Penn. But what happens when the power structure is really challenged?
Have you ever heard of the C.O.I.N.T.E.L.P.R.O papers? You should look it up. These are the lengths your government will go to when they feel genuinely threatened.
Your lame t.v talk show hosts can poke fun and criticise all they want. This is just harmless entertainment which makes people feel good about themselves. Where's the real challenge to power in America? What happens to people who really rock the boat?
They're either in jail, or dead.
what does that mean? am I missing the death to muslims chants somewhere? it's great another european is going to come in here and tell us how it really is in america
As i said you are lilly white, all those books that talk about the things the government and CIA have done in the past and up to the present day are are rubbish in your eyes right?
It's not about blame it's about understanding what is going on and why.
All it would take for you to understand where we are coming from is to pick up a few books and get to the bottom of the facts.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
As i said you are lilly white, all those books that talk about the things the government and CIA have done in the past and up to the present day are are rubbish in your eyes right?
It's not about blame it's about understanding what is going on and why.
All it would take for you to understand where we are coming from is to pick up a few books and get to the bottom of the facts.
Let me ask you a question. Would you say the US is completely responsible for why they hate us or do you feel that Muslims, specifically radical fundamentalists and corrupt regimes such as Saudi Arabia's, are also responsible for this animosity.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
'Americans need to educate themselves, from elementary school onward, about what their country has done abroad. And they need to play a more active role in ensuring that what the United States does abroad is not merely in keeping with a foreign policy elite's sense of realpolitik but also with the American public's own sense of American values.'
Let me ask you a question. Would you say the US is completely responsible for why they hate us or do you feel that Muslims, specifically radical fundamentalists and corrupt regimes such as Saudi Arabia's, are also responsible for this animosity.
I'm not saying america is completely responsible for anything i am saying that when you look at the facts you can understand why things happen the way they do.
There are corrupt regimes out there without a shadow of a doubt one of the worst being Saudi Arabia which you guys are in bed with. Doesn't that worry you.
I think to much time is spent pointing the finger and getting angry at what is happening outside of our countries. When the real big issues and the biggest threats to ourselves are in fact what is happening inside of our own countries.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I'm not saying america is completely responsible for anything i am saying that when you look at the facts you can understand why things happen the way they do.
There are corrupt regimes out there without a shadow of a doubt one of the worst being Saudi Arabia which you guys are in bed with. Doesn't that worry you.
I think to much time is spent pointing the finger and getting angry at what is happening outside of our countries. When the real big issues and the biggest threats to ourselves are in fact what is happening inside of our own countries.
I agree with you. If you have read any of my posts on this message board you would know that I am constantly criticizing our relationship with the Saudi's and how the Saudi government is a huge source of recruits and funds for terrorist organizations. I don't know if you have read it but I would suggest reading Sleeping With The Devil by Robert Baer. It discusses exactly what we have been talking about here. How our foreign policy has screwed these people over for decades. How corrupt governments have used that animosity to their advantage. How fundamentalists have used it to help spread their perverted interpretation of Islam and spread jihad.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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Let's take another look at your original post then shall we?
So, in your opinion 'they' hate 'us' because 'they' are indoctrinated by corrupt regimes, and 'they' also hate 'us' because 'we' unwittingly support many of these governments.
And you accuse me of being a clueless bastard? I'll let everyone on this board make up their own minds about which one of us is a clueless bastard.
That's what I like about you Byrnzie no matter how stupid you sound you just keep on plugging away.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCNLRSE_48Y
Nice way of avoiding my list of cases of Americans being intimidated into shutting their mouths.
You can only answer with personal attacks and by assuming that because I don't live in America I know nothing of what goes there.
Stop trying to pretend that America has a free press. The American media is known the world over to be a fucking joke. Get yourself back to school.
Your point being?
I think you and Mammassan need to stop sucking each other off and attempt to post something tangible for a change.
Well I have already posted two article supporting my statement about hatred being taught at Muslim religious schools and here is one about our foreign policy. I figured I would use the Nation since I'm sure that publication is right up your alley.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011015/johnson
So I believe I have provided support for my argument but you have yet to post your argument or anything to support your argument. All you have done is post loads of bile. So are you going to provide anything to counter my argument or are you going to continue being a wanker.
So you have nothing constructive to say? Nothing new there then.
well I would know alot more then you seeing how I live here. so yea, you really dont know whats going on here. I see people protesting all the time. there are people who protest by themselves EVERYDAY on the streets of downtown chicago. amazing how you say we arent free when you are posting on an american message board. you are free to say whatever you want here. people like olberman go on tv every night and smear bush. why isnt he in jail yet? keep it comin dude, I'll have a fun time "taking you to school" today
nice way of avoiding my question. where would you feel more intimidated in my example?
Yes yes i forgot how lilly white you guys are.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
are you kidding? look at what I replied too. my point is VERY clear.
I'll just stick to defending my criticism of your original post, rather than referring to anything you've posted since in an attempt to wriggle out of it.
I have posted three article to support my point. You have posted none. All you have done is call me a racist. You have offered absolutely nothing to the debate but your childish antics which is what I expect from you. I know your type, since you can't offer up a respectable or even intelligent counter argument you resort to personal attacks. It's actually pretty pathetic.
what does that mean? am I missing the death to muslims chants somewhere? it's great another european is going to come in here and tell us how it really is in america
Your baseless criticism.
America has the illusion of a free press, sure. The reality is somewhat different however. Sure, it's o.k to poke fun at the president, and even to publish full page adverts in the papers ala Sean Penn. But what happens when the power structure is really challenged?
Have you ever heard of the C.O.I.N.T.E.L.P.R.O papers? You should look it up. These are the lengths your government will go to when they feel genuinely threatened.
Your lame t.v talk show hosts can poke fun and criticise all they want. This is just harmless entertainment which makes people feel good about themselves. Where's the real challenge to power in America? What happens to people who really rock the boat?
They're either in jail, or dead.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/20/AR2007072001806_pf.html
As i said you are lilly white, all those books that talk about the things the government and CIA have done in the past and up to the present day are are rubbish in your eyes right?
It's not about blame it's about understanding what is going on and why.
All it would take for you to understand where we are coming from is to pick up a few books and get to the bottom of the facts.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Let me ask you a question. Would you say the US is completely responsible for why they hate us or do you feel that Muslims, specifically radical fundamentalists and corrupt regimes such as Saudi Arabia's, are also responsible for this animosity.
'Americans need to educate themselves, from elementary school onward, about what their country has done abroad. And they need to play a more active role in ensuring that what the United States does abroad is not merely in keeping with a foreign policy elite's sense of realpolitik but also with the American public's own sense of American values.'
True.
I'm not saying america is completely responsible for anything i am saying that when you look at the facts you can understand why things happen the way they do.
There are corrupt regimes out there without a shadow of a doubt one of the worst being Saudi Arabia which you guys are in bed with. Doesn't that worry you.
I think to much time is spent pointing the finger and getting angry at what is happening outside of our countries. When the real big issues and the biggest threats to ourselves are in fact what is happening inside of our own countries.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I agree with you. If you have read any of my posts on this message board you would know that I am constantly criticizing our relationship with the Saudi's and how the Saudi government is a huge source of recruits and funds for terrorist organizations. I don't know if you have read it but I would suggest reading Sleeping With The Devil by Robert Baer. It discusses exactly what we have been talking about here. How our foreign policy has screwed these people over for decades. How corrupt governments have used that animosity to their advantage. How fundamentalists have used it to help spread their perverted interpretation of Islam and spread jihad.