why did they attack us?

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    is that all you have? like I said, I dont need to go into a free speech zone. I can stand in the middle of downtown chicago with a loud speaker and say george bush is an asshole.

    these zones you speak of were probably set up in rare occasions to allow the people's right to hold a rally or whatnot. even with freedom, there are rules and responsibilty that need to happen.



    great dodge on my question though. can you do such things in the middle east?

    when the APEC circus rolled into my town late last year, an exclusion zone was set up around the venues used for the meetings. in a country where we take it for granted that we can walk where ever the hell we feel like, we can even shake the hand of our fearless leader whilst he's on his morning jog without being manhandled by goons, the thought of a perimeter fance set up to exclude us was an insult. this is australia for christ's sake. we knew the reason was to keep the people away from certain world leaders, so they wouldnt be tainted by the presence of a protest unsupportive of their actions and policy. to suggest that these zones are implemented for the 'good' of all concern is utter crap. you can say what you like but you cant say where you want. that's bullshit.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    spiral out wrote:
    Go stand in downtown Chicago then and do exactly that for a couple of hours and report back here on what happens, don't forget the proof though. Maybe get a work colleague of yours to film it for proof.

    what's the middle east got to do with anything.

    You're having trouble following the conversation with jlew. I'm not even in it, and I'm following it.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    catefrances wrote:
    when the APEC circus rolled into my town late last year, an exclusion zone was set up around the venues used for the meetings. in a country where we take it for granted that we can walk where ever the hell we feel like, we can even shake the hand of our fearless leader whilst he's on his morning jog, the thought of a perimeter fance set up to exclude us was an insult. this is australia for christ's sake. we knew the reason was to keep the people away from certain world leaders, so they wouldnt be tainted by the presence of a protest unsupportive of their actions and policy. to suggest that these zones are implemented for the 'good' of all concern is utter crap. you can say what you like but you cant say where you want. that's bullshit.

    can't comment on that specific instance, of course, but I know here a lot of times when big events come to town they have designated protest zones to basically keep people from blocking public streets and whatnot.

    It's perfectly fine and dandy to protest, just don't block traffic and keep innocent passersby from getting to work on time.
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    slightofjeff wrote:
    You're having trouble following the conversation with jlew. I'm not even in it, and I'm following it.

    Not really, but thanks for your useless comment.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    spiral out wrote:
    Not really, but thanks for your useless comment.

    You're welcome. Anytime.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    slightofjeff wrote:
    can't comment on that specific instance, of course, but I know here a lot of times when big events come to town they have designated protest zones to basically keep people from blocking public streets and whatnot.

    It's perfectly fine and dandy to protest, just don't block traffic and keep innocent passersby from getting to work on time.

    and it would fine and dandy if the event itself didnt shut down half the city. i might point out that we actually got a public holiday for the main APEC meeting. so there was no concerns over people actually being late for work anyway because of protestors.
    and personally people need to be inconvenienced from time to time. otherwise they float around in a complacency bubble thinking everything's just fine and dandy with the world. ;):D
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Go stand in downtown Chicago then and do exactly that for a couple of hours and report back here on what happens, don't forget the proof though. Maybe get a work colleague of yours to film it for proof.
    you obviosuly have never been to chicago. people do this all the time. (protest that is) are you suggesting its not allowed? funny coming from someone who isnt even american. you have no fucking clue.
    spiral out wrote:
    what's the middle east got to do with anything.

    the middle east isnt free.
  • yellowsnowbetter
    yellowsnowbetter Posts: 12
    let me make sure i understand this conspiracy with 911....

    democrats and republicans can not agree to keep a "blow job" secret, but they can agree to keep the idea of killing thousands of innocent people a secret.

    i need help.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    yellowsnowbetter wrote:
    let me make sure i understand this conspiracy with 911....

    democrats and republicans can not agree to keep a "blow job" secret, but they can agree to keep the idea of killing thousands of innocent people a secret.

    i need help.

    ha welcome to the train. please search 9/11 threads. you will be shocked at what you find
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ha welcome to the train. please search 9/11 threads. you will be shocked at what you find

    i knew it!!! tis a conspiracy. those bastards!! :D:D:p
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    DPrival78 wrote:
    ... or are we not supposed to talk about it?

    the 9/11 commission dodge questions about al qaeda's motivations.. why?

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Byrnzie wrote:
    You paint with a pretty wide brush. Who is this 'they' that you speak of? Your first post didn't limit your 'they' to just radical Muslims, but simply stated that 'they' hate us. Seemed like you were referring to anybody who happened to hail from the Middle East. Hence my use of the words 'conjecture' and 'racist'.

    Actually the second sentence of my first post stated that I was referring to extremist militant Islam so I was pretty clear about who I was talking about. Maybe next time you may want to take more time and re-read a post before jumping to conclusions and making personal attacks against someone. But then again this is pretty much par for the course when it comes to you.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Your original post was just a load of half-baked racist twaddle.

    Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty funny to hear a bullshit spewing anti-semite calling someone else a racist. 90% of the posts you put on this board are nothing more that half-baked racist twaddle, pardon me for borrowing your term.
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    Commy wrote:
    Because the north vietnamese would go into villages, treat them with respect, set up an electoral process, and give the people of the village controll over the resources that they had labored to extract. That's a freedom rarely seen in human history. Controlling ones actions. And these people were willing to die for that.

    Not sure who told you that, but you couldn't be more wrong. This may have happened in isolated instances to villages that fully cooperated with the viet cong out of total fear of retribution, but it certainly was not the case overall.

    Clearest case in point is the montagnard villagers who were literally waiting for the opportunity to join the US in the fight against the north as payback for years of atrocities committed against them by the north.

    Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I've had the honor of befriending and associating with vietnamese refugees or offsprings of refugees. I can't think of a single one of them who doesn't completely detest what communism did to their families and their way of life. For you to sit there and try to pass off that government as giving them some kind of unconditional freedom is a mind boggling thing to witness. I can't begin to imagine what kind of completely fictionalized propaganda you've been fed in order to make you think that way.

    In fact, I implore you to make those statements in the company of any randomly selected vietnamese person you come across.
    commy wrote:
    It can all stop, if the US chooses.

    Wow, there you go again. Not even the leftest of the leftists on this board would agree with that statement. Even the slightest bit of common sense will tell you that if the US backs out of Iraq we will be looking at another 1970's cambodia at the very least. No one is saying the US does not have blood on its hands, but statements like the above are total fairy tale.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    yellowsnowbetter wrote:
    let me make sure i understand this conspiracy with 911....

    democrats and republicans can not agree to keep a "blow job" secret, but they can agree to keep the idea of killing thousands of innocent people a secret.

    i need help.
    On the other hand democrats and republicans are strange. They're willing to impeach a president for lying about a blow job (casualty : 1 dress) but not a president for lying about a war (casualties : thousands). So I guess, you never know you know?
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    Kann wrote:
    On the other hand democrats and republicans are strange. They're willing to impeach a president for lying about a blow job (casualty : 1 dress) but not a president for lying about a war (casualties : thousands). So I guess, you never know you know?

    Point in fact is that none of those things are secret.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1627
    'Madrasas provide free religious education, boarding and lodging and are essentially schools for the poor. Over one and a half million children attend madrasas.[1] These seminaries run on public philanthropy and produce indoctrinated clergymen of various Muslim sects. Some sections of the more orthodox Muslim sects have been radicalised by state sponsored exposure to jihad, first in Afghanistan, then in Kashmir.'


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
    'Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/06/nschools306.xml

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article31255.ece

    I see that you're now relying on the Telegraph and the Sun newspapers for your information. How laughable!

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    whats really funny is this statement. I'm free to do whatever I want, such as make posts on a american message board or stand on the street corner with a loud speaker saying.....


    bush is an asshole or jesus christ should be sodomized.



    can you in pakistan? Iran? syria? (replacing bush with their president and jesus with allah)

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mammasan wrote:
    Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty funny to hear a bullshit spewing anti-semite calling someone else a racist. 90% of the posts you put on this board are nothing more that half-baked racist twaddle, pardon me for borrowing your term.

    I'm anti-semitic because I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation and human rights abuses in the west bank and Gaza? Sure.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the middle east isnt free.

    Like you know anything about the Middle East - the nearest you've ever been to the Middle East is East side Chicago.

    As for knowing anything about freedom....dream on!

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