Control, insecurities, way of life. Religions were created as a means to control the masses...and the more idiotic a religion the harder it is to justify.....Muslims in power know...subconsciously that with westernization...the young will crave to join....as their religion (as all religions) suck..really bad......and those in power don't want to loose it....you know...insecure men. Course this also holds true for Christianity....maybe to a lesser extent. Religion and the belief in deities is dying...and there will be lots of humans that will fight to the end......they will though ultimately loose.
You paint with a pretty wide brush. Who is this 'they' that you speak of? Your first post didn't limit your 'they' to just radical Muslims, but simply stated that 'they' hate us. Seemed like you were referring to anybody who happened to hail from the Middle East. Hence my use of the words 'conjecture' and 'racist'.
Actually the second sentence of my first post stated that I was referring to extremist militant Islam so I was pretty clear about who I was talking about. Maybe next time you may want to take more time and re-read a post before jumping to conclusions and making personal attacks against someone. But then again this is pretty much par for the course when it comes to you.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Your original post was just a load of half-baked racist twaddle.
Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty funny to hear a bullshit spewing anti-semite calling someone else a racist. 90% of the posts you put on this board are nothing more that half-baked racist twaddle, pardon me for borrowing your term.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Because the north vietnamese would go into villages, treat them with respect, set up an electoral process, and give the people of the village controll over the resources that they had labored to extract. That's a freedom rarely seen in human history. Controlling ones actions. And these people were willing to die for that.
Not sure who told you that, but you couldn't be more wrong. This may have happened in isolated instances to villages that fully cooperated with the viet cong out of total fear of retribution, but it certainly was not the case overall.
Clearest case in point is the montagnard villagers who were literally waiting for the opportunity to join the US in the fight against the north as payback for years of atrocities committed against them by the north.
Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I've had the honor of befriending and associating with vietnamese refugees or offsprings of refugees. I can't think of a single one of them who doesn't completely detest what communism did to their families and their way of life. For you to sit there and try to pass off that government as giving them some kind of unconditional freedom is a mind boggling thing to witness. I can't begin to imagine what kind of completely fictionalized propaganda you've been fed in order to make you think that way.
In fact, I implore you to make those statements in the company of any randomly selected vietnamese person you come across.
Wow, there you go again. Not even the leftest of the leftists on this board would agree with that statement. Even the slightest bit of common sense will tell you that if the US backs out of Iraq we will be looking at another 1970's cambodia at the very least. No one is saying the US does not have blood on its hands, but statements like the above are total fairy tale.
let me make sure i understand this conspiracy with 911....
democrats and republicans can not agree to keep a "blow job" secret, but they can agree to keep the idea of killing thousands of innocent people a secret.
i need help.
On the other hand democrats and republicans are strange. They're willing to impeach a president for lying about a blow job (casualty : 1 dress) but not a president for lying about a war (casualties : thousands). So I guess, you never know you know?
On the other hand democrats and republicans are strange. They're willing to impeach a president for lying about a blow job (casualty : 1 dress) but not a president for lying about a war (casualties : thousands). So I guess, you never know you know?
Point in fact is that none of those things are secret.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1627
'Madrasas provide free religious education, boarding and lodging and are essentially schools for the poor. Over one and a half million children attend madrasas.[1] These seminaries run on public philanthropy and produce indoctrinated clergymen of various Muslim sects. Some sections of the more orthodox Muslim sects have been radicalised by state sponsored exposure to jihad, first in Afghanistan, then in Kashmir.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
'Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages.'
whats really funny is this statement. I'm free to do whatever I want, such as make posts on a american message board or stand on the street corner with a loud speaker saying.....
bush is an asshole or jesus christ should be sodomized.
can you in pakistan? Iran? syria? (replacing bush with their president and jesus with allah)
Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty funny to hear a bullshit spewing anti-semite calling someone else a racist. 90% of the posts you put on this board are nothing more that half-baked racist twaddle, pardon me for borrowing your term.
I'm anti-semitic because I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation and human rights abuses in the west bank and Gaza? Sure.
Have you ever been to the US Byrnzie? It's true that the police sometimes lose sight of right and wrong, but in each of those links you provided, those people were released and most of them had or will have their vindication in court.
That's hardly oppression in fact not even close to it. I've seen with my own eyes plenty of protests protesting everything from the war to a supermarket chain.
Meanwhile, 2 hrs south of me is a country where public protesting is simply against the law and often those people don't get their vindication in a court of law or their stories sympathetically printed in the news. Wasn't too long ago that the Tijuana police department was randomly pulling over tourist vehicles, taking the women to a nearby hotel and gangraping them.
Do you understand the difference? I've lived here all my life and have never spent a day living in fear of the government. I'm just curious to know when it was that you were here and were oppressed by the gestapo.
Have you ever been to the US Byrnzie? It's true that the police sometimes lose sight of right and wrong, but in each of those links you provided, those people were released and most of them had or will have their vindication in court.
That's hardly oppression in fact not even close to it. I've seen with my own eyes plenty of protests protesting everything from the war to a supermarket chain.
Meanwhile, 2 hrs south of me is a country where public protesting is simply against the law and often those people don't get their vindication in a court of law or their stories sympathetically printed in the news. Wasn't too long ago that the Tijuana police department was randomly pulling over tourist vehicles, taking the women to a nearby hotel and gangraping them.
Do you understand the difference?
I've been to the U.S five times. And those links I provided are just a handful. I could have posted about 100 more.
My point is that you're not free to criticise your government. Your only freedom is to be able to vote for one of two types of corporate puppets once every four years. Beyond that, your freedom is pretty limited.
Have you ever read 'manufacturing consent'? Give it a go sometime.
I've been to the U.S five times. And those links I provided are just a handful. I could have posted about 100 more.
My point is that you're not free to criticise your government. Your only freedom is to be able to vote for one of two types of corporate puppets once every four years. Beyond that, your freedom is pretty limited.
Have you ever read 'manufacturing consent'? Give it a go sometime.
Manufacturing consent? You mean the common sense notion of those having the money writing the laws? I have not read it, but can you honestly say its premise is otherwise?
It's every single day that I am exposed to media which criticizes the government to no end.
You just have to live here to know the difference between what a few books tell you and what actually happens. Do you mean to tell me that without corporate influence my ideals will never carry any real weight? No kidding. But do you actually expect me to believe that I have any reason at all to be afraid of expresing my point of view in public?
A 100 more links? You mean of ones detailing people who get arrested, immediately released, and eventually have their day in court? Your point is what?
Manufacturing consent? You mean the common sense notion of those having the money writing the laws? I have not read it, but can you honestly say its premise is otherwise?
It's every single day that I am exposed to media which criticizes the government to no end.
You just have to live here to know the difference between what a few books tell you and what actually happens. Do you mean to tell me that without corporate influence my ideals will never carry any real weight? No kidding. But do you actually expect me to believe that I have any reason at all to be afraid of expresing my point of view in public?
No, it's not quite as simple and innocuous as that.
A 100 more links? You mean of ones detailing people who get arrested, immediately released, and eventually have their day in court? Your point is what?
My point is that people are harrassed, intimidated and otherwise coerced into keeping their mouths shut.
A 100 more links? You mean of ones detailing people who get arrested, immediately released, and eventually have their day in court? Your point is what?
why were they arrested in the first place if they're so free to protest?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Point in fact is that none of those things are secret.
Out of these two stories true. But all the noise these stories are (and were) making also covers up other stories which go unnoticed. Every nation has its secrets, which are necessary, but no citizen in any country knows everything their country has done or will do. Legitimate questions about 9/11 are asked and not many convincing answers have been put forward and face it leaving questions unanswered is the best way to make conspiration theories prosper. I honestly doubt that an administration would do that to their countries but having some answers would be nice.
Like you know anything about the Middle East - the nearest you've ever been to the Middle East is East side Chicago.
He still has a point. You can't spend a month without hearing someone in a middle eastern country getting arrested for speaking against the government/religion, or even for writing in a blog. Countries in which presidents are elected by 99% of the voters (when there are elections) generally don't leave much place for true freedom of speech.
Then again in most western countries the coercion made on people to make them shut up by unjustified laws (patriot act for example, which does not really make you confident in speaking out your point of view) or by being ridiculed by the majority (like in my country) is not really a sign of freedom either.
That is exactly what I said. There are people that use terror as a weapon. Those that fit into that category are virtually all humans.
to say we are at war with terrorists is a political play - to support virtually anything. the fact that further have instilled the view that these "terrorists" are muslim is racist and basically an attempt at genocide.
No, it's not quite as simple and innocuous as that.
My point is that people are harrassed, intimidated and otherwise coerced into keeping their mouths shut.
dude you arent american. stop pretending like you know what the fuck goes on here. you are such a joke. millions of americans protest everyday whether it be in the streets, in a letter, on the internet, on ta, or in a newspaper. how many radical anti bush news columns come out daily? does the government harass back? probably sometimes.
even you, and marxist anti semitic brit can write into an american news paper and have a hate piece about bush published.
but you'd like to claim we get some type of middle east treatment where you are locked in a jail cell and tortured or killed by the opposition. maybe you missed the recent events in pakistan.
you want to talk about people being intimidated into keeping their mouth shut in america? ok, stand on the corner and proclaim jesus was gay in new york city. or stand on the corner in Islamabad with a sign that says Allah is gay.
I guess you're going to try and tell me there is no hate taught in Christian schools?
yea yea yea I saw the jesus camp videos. lets talk in shear numbers k? millions of children taught to hate vs a few thousand at best.
I went to a catholic school. I was taught to love everyone and it was drilled into my head for the first 14 years of my life. fuckers realyl brainwashed me. I guess I'm the exception though?
I'm anti-semitic because I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation and human rights abuses in the west bank and Gaza? Sure.
Because that is all you do. Israel is guilty of countless crimes against the Palestinian people but the pendulum swings both ways. You on the other hand fail to recognize the wrongs the Palestinians, and other Arab states, had committed against Israel. Just as in the case I made. US foreign policy is responsible for the many misfortunes that transpire in the Middle East but the Muslims themselves are equally responsible for the conditions there. You have opportunist who would take advantage of the situation in order to prevert the Islamic faith and spread that radical form to all who are downtrodden.
Now instead of viewing my post as a whole and realizing that I was placing the blame on these groups and US foreign policy, which I stated clearly, you decided to pick out one sentence and call me a racist based on that alone.
I honestly expected this from you because you usually have nothing of any value to add to any debate on this thread. You come on here with your holier than though attitude believing that you know better than the rest simply because they don't agree with your half assed beliefs.
Also I apologize, you are not an anti-semite. You are just a clueless bastard.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
yea yea yea I saw the jesus camp videos. lets talk in shear numbers k? millions of children taught to hate vs a few thousand at best.
I went to a catholic school. I was taught to love everyone and it was drilled into my head for the first 14 years of my life. fuckers realyl brainwashed me. I guess I'm the exception though?
not talking about jesus camp.. talking about every school in the us. Taught to hate muslims..
catholic schools taught to have false view of American's superiority - and false view of our richeousness in war after war and of virtually all other historic events - painting foreigners as inferiors -
we teach hate ... its deep in you - and you think yourself so much above that.
yea yea yea I saw the jesus camp videos. lets talk in shear numbers k? millions of children taught to hate vs a few thousand at best.
I went to a catholic school. I was taught to love everyone and it was drilled into my head for the first 14 years of my life. fuckers realyl brainwashed me. I guess I'm the exception though?
Did you read New Testament? Filled with hate for Jews.. Well excpet for that one Jew - you know - Jesus.
not talking about jesus camp.. talking about every school in the us. Taught to hate muslims..
catholic schools taught to have false view of American's superiority - and false view of our richeousness in war after war and of virtually all other historic events - painting foreigners as inferiors -
we teach hate ... its deep in you - and you think yourself so much above that.
its funny how you actually believe the bullshit that comes from your mouth. Christian schools to not teach hate for muslims. if so, where are all the young Christians lining up to be suicide bombers? where are the daily death to muslim chants held? similar to this..
and I just told you I went to a catholic school and was taught to love and respect all races and religions but yet you are going to tell me I'm wrong? who the fuck do you think you are?
you have created your own false sense of reality. glad I'm here to make easy work of your utter lies.
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Actually the second sentence of my first post stated that I was referring to extremist militant Islam so I was pretty clear about who I was talking about. Maybe next time you may want to take more time and re-read a post before jumping to conclusions and making personal attacks against someone. But then again this is pretty much par for the course when it comes to you.
Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty funny to hear a bullshit spewing anti-semite calling someone else a racist. 90% of the posts you put on this board are nothing more that half-baked racist twaddle, pardon me for borrowing your term.
Not sure who told you that, but you couldn't be more wrong. This may have happened in isolated instances to villages that fully cooperated with the viet cong out of total fear of retribution, but it certainly was not the case overall.
Clearest case in point is the montagnard villagers who were literally waiting for the opportunity to join the US in the fight against the north as payback for years of atrocities committed against them by the north.
Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I've had the honor of befriending and associating with vietnamese refugees or offsprings of refugees. I can't think of a single one of them who doesn't completely detest what communism did to their families and their way of life. For you to sit there and try to pass off that government as giving them some kind of unconditional freedom is a mind boggling thing to witness. I can't begin to imagine what kind of completely fictionalized propaganda you've been fed in order to make you think that way.
In fact, I implore you to make those statements in the company of any randomly selected vietnamese person you come across.
Wow, there you go again. Not even the leftest of the leftists on this board would agree with that statement. Even the slightest bit of common sense will tell you that if the US backs out of Iraq we will be looking at another 1970's cambodia at the very least. No one is saying the US does not have blood on its hands, but statements like the above are total fairy tale.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Point in fact is that none of those things are secret.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I see that you're now relying on the Telegraph and the Sun newspapers for your information. How laughable!
Also featured in that same Sun Newspaper webpage:
A GRINNING airline pilot gropes a saucy stewardess’s BOOB – as she performs a strip-tease in mid-air.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article749215.ece
Man Says He Was Arrested After Criticizing Cheney
http://cbs4denver.com/local/Colorado.news.Beaver.2.552732.html
Busted for wearing a peace T-shirt; has this country gone completely insane?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/busted_for_wearing_peace_tshirt.htm
Activist Cindy Sheehan Arrested at Capitol
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8FG23S8G&show_article=1
Secret Service visits 81-year-old to ask about letter criticizing Bush
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/01/secret_service__1.html
Kerry Supporters Arrested at Bush Rally Sue Law Enforcement
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0429-07.htm
Anti-Bush protesters arrested outside U.N.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20980625/
US Lawyer arrested for wearing peace T-shirt
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=271162&page=7
MIT Coed Arrested for Wearing T-Shirt of Mass Destruction at Airport
http://www.icwt.us/index.php/2007/09/21/mit-coed-arrested-for-wearing-t-shirt-of-mass-destruction-at-airport/
Bush protesters arrested in downtown
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/729564,protest010708.article
Dozens of Capitol Hill protesters arrested
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/22/capitol.hill.arrests/index.html
Bush Protesters Arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ef_1183415431
Man Arrested for Wearing Anti-War T-shirt
http://www.lies.com/wp/2003/03/05/man-arrested-for-wearing-anti-war-t-shirt/
Bush protesters arrested in downtown
http://chicago.everyblock.com/news-articles/by-date/2008/1/7/528036/
'Peace' T-shirt gets man arrested
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/05/offbeat.peace.arrest.reut/index.html
I'm anti-semitic because I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation and human rights abuses in the west bank and Gaza? Sure.
Like you know anything about the Middle East - the nearest you've ever been to the Middle East is East side Chicago.
As for knowing anything about freedom....dream on!
That's hardly oppression in fact not even close to it. I've seen with my own eyes plenty of protests protesting everything from the war to a supermarket chain.
Meanwhile, 2 hrs south of me is a country where public protesting is simply against the law and often those people don't get their vindication in a court of law or their stories sympathetically printed in the news. Wasn't too long ago that the Tijuana police department was randomly pulling over tourist vehicles, taking the women to a nearby hotel and gangraping them.
Do you understand the difference? I've lived here all my life and have never spent a day living in fear of the government. I'm just curious to know when it was that you were here and were oppressed by the gestapo.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I've been to the U.S five times. And those links I provided are just a handful. I could have posted about 100 more.
My point is that you're not free to criticise your government. Your only freedom is to be able to vote for one of two types of corporate puppets once every four years. Beyond that, your freedom is pretty limited.
Have you ever read 'manufacturing consent'? Give it a go sometime.
Manufacturing consent? You mean the common sense notion of those having the money writing the laws? I have not read it, but can you honestly say its premise is otherwise?
It's every single day that I am exposed to media which criticizes the government to no end.
You just have to live here to know the difference between what a few books tell you and what actually happens. Do you mean to tell me that without corporate influence my ideals will never carry any real weight? No kidding. But do you actually expect me to believe that I have any reason at all to be afraid of expresing my point of view in public?
A 100 more links? You mean of ones detailing people who get arrested, immediately released, and eventually have their day in court? Your point is what?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
No, it's not quite as simple and innocuous as that.
My point is that people are harrassed, intimidated and otherwise coerced into keeping their mouths shut.
why were they arrested in the first place if they're so free to protest?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
He still has a point. You can't spend a month without hearing someone in a middle eastern country getting arrested for speaking against the government/religion, or even for writing in a blog. Countries in which presidents are elected by 99% of the voters (when there are elections) generally don't leave much place for true freedom of speech.
Then again in most western countries the coercion made on people to make them shut up by unjustified laws (patriot act for example, which does not really make you confident in speaking out your point of view) or by being ridiculed by the majority (like in my country) is not really a sign of freedom either.
That is exactly what I said. There are people that use terror as a weapon. Those that fit into that category are virtually all humans.
to say we are at war with terrorists is a political play - to support virtually anything. the fact that further have instilled the view that these "terrorists" are muslim is racist and basically an attempt at genocide.
I've to Dubai twice. nice try though. you'd love it there, they dont recognize Israel! and have no freedom of speech or press.
I could post many other stories if you'd like. I guess your going to try and tell me there is no hate taught in extremist Islamic schools?
I guess you're going to try and tell me there is no hate taught in Christian schools?
dude you arent american. stop pretending like you know what the fuck goes on here. you are such a joke. millions of americans protest everyday whether it be in the streets, in a letter, on the internet, on ta, or in a newspaper. how many radical anti bush news columns come out daily? does the government harass back? probably sometimes.
even you, and marxist anti semitic brit can write into an american news paper and have a hate piece about bush published.
but you'd like to claim we get some type of middle east treatment where you are locked in a jail cell and tortured or killed by the opposition. maybe you missed the recent events in pakistan.
you want to talk about people being intimidated into keeping their mouth shut in america? ok, stand on the corner and proclaim jesus was gay in new york city. or stand on the corner in Islamabad with a sign that says Allah is gay.
where will you be more scared and intimidated?
yea yea yea I saw the jesus camp videos. lets talk in shear numbers k? millions of children taught to hate vs a few thousand at best.
I went to a catholic school. I was taught to love everyone and it was drilled into my head for the first 14 years of my life. fuckers realyl brainwashed me. I guess I'm the exception though?
Because that is all you do. Israel is guilty of countless crimes against the Palestinian people but the pendulum swings both ways. You on the other hand fail to recognize the wrongs the Palestinians, and other Arab states, had committed against Israel. Just as in the case I made. US foreign policy is responsible for the many misfortunes that transpire in the Middle East but the Muslims themselves are equally responsible for the conditions there. You have opportunist who would take advantage of the situation in order to prevert the Islamic faith and spread that radical form to all who are downtrodden.
Now instead of viewing my post as a whole and realizing that I was placing the blame on these groups and US foreign policy, which I stated clearly, you decided to pick out one sentence and call me a racist based on that alone.
I honestly expected this from you because you usually have nothing of any value to add to any debate on this thread. You come on here with your holier than though attitude believing that you know better than the rest simply because they don't agree with your half assed beliefs.
Also I apologize, you are not an anti-semite. You are just a clueless bastard.
not talking about jesus camp.. talking about every school in the us. Taught to hate muslims..
catholic schools taught to have false view of American's superiority - and false view of our richeousness in war after war and of virtually all other historic events - painting foreigners as inferiors -
we teach hate ... its deep in you - and you think yourself so much above that.
Did you read New Testament? Filled with hate for Jews.. Well excpet for that one Jew - you know - Jesus.
its funny how you actually believe the bullshit that comes from your mouth. Christian schools to not teach hate for muslims. if so, where are all the young Christians lining up to be suicide bombers? where are the daily death to muslim chants held? similar to this..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCNLRSE_48Y
and I just told you I went to a catholic school and was taught to love and respect all races and religions but yet you are going to tell me I'm wrong? who the fuck do you think you are?
you have created your own false sense of reality. glad I'm here to make easy work of your utter lies.
bzyine you here this!!! you just converted him.
the CATO institute? How laughable! thats right mamma, keep posted your racist propaganda. :rolleyes: