why did they attack us?

DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
edited January 2008 in A Moving Train
... or are we not supposed to talk about it?

the 9/11 commission dodge questions about al qaeda's motivations.. why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    They hate our freedom.
    Usama bin laden was sitting in the desert and said, "You know what? I fucking hate their freedom... that Bill of Rights is a bunch of bullshit. Let's kill them!!!"
    ...
    Then... they attacked.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    our support for Israel and because we have troops in saudi arabia. ....and personally I believe there are just too many muslims (i.e. El queda) brainwashed into having such extreme views. even they dont know why they want to kill us. mostly because its what allah wants.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Cosmo wrote:
    They hate our freedom.
    Usama bin laden was sitting in the desert and said, "You know what? I fucking hate their freedom... that Bill of Rights is a bunch of bullshit. Let's kill them!!!"
    ...
    Then... they attacked.

    usually im not so easily amused. but this one almost made me laugh. almost. :D
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  • How bout the hijackers that are supposedly still alive?

    Why not just ask them? ;)

    I wonder if this really happened?
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/illegaltades.html

    It would explain the zero media coverage and non-investigation. doesn't anyone want to know about the put options after all these years? No one?

    It would seem strange things are afoot at the circle K

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    How bout the hijackers that are supposedly still alive?

    Why not just ask them? ;)

    .


    when is the 20/20 interview?


    such a joke you are
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    when is the 20/20 interview?


    such a joke you are

    I know what you are as well blah bla bllahh fart...fart...

    can you actually say something intelligent from inside your head on the topic to maybe make it resemble a legitimate conversation instead of another petty little bitch slap contest?

    hmm?
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  • MasterFramerMasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    If you truly believe everything we have been told about 9/11 to be Truth then you have a very distorted view of reality. There are countless items that scream for a second look. Instead of the knee jerk reaction that the government would never do such a thing. Just look at the facts...
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    They hate us because that is what they are taught from the moment of conception. Many of the oppressive corrupt regimes in Muslim countries, ie. Saudi Arabia, spend a lot of money building religious schools to indoctrinate the poor young citizens of said country into this militant extremist form of Islam. They also teach these young men that the West, specially the US, is the reason for all their misery. This is the only way these governments can take the focus off of them and the way they treat their own people like shit. It also doesn't help that we back and support many of these governments. So in short the teachings of these government backed religious school plus our own actions is the reason why we are hated.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    They hate us because that is what they are taught from the moment of conception. Many of the oppressive corrupt regimes in Muslim countries, ie. Saudi Arabia, spend a lot of money building religious schools to indoctrinate the poor young citizens of said country into this militant extremist form of Islam. They also teach these young men that the West, specially the US, is the reason for all their misery. This is the only way these governments can take the focus off of them and the way they treat their own people like shit. It also doesn't help that we back and support many of these governments. So in short the teachings of these government backed religious school plus our own actions is the reason why we are hated.

    well said
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    DPrival78 wrote:
    ... or are we not supposed to talk about it?

    the 9/11 commission dodge questions about al qaeda's motivations.. why?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg


    the guys on the plane were instructed to
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Bin Laden, a wise and peace-loving man, was forced to perpetrate violence against the oppressive, war-mongering, imperialistic regime that is the US Gov. in an effort to protect his fellow arabs, whom he loves so dearly.
  • MasterFramerMasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    sponger wrote:
    Bin Laden, a wise and peace-loving man, was forced to perpetrate violence against the oppressive, war-mongering, imperialistic regime that is the US Gov. in an effort to protect his fellow arabs, whom he loves so dearly.

    Bin Laden is the boogie man...
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Bin Laden is the boogie man...

    No, he's bugs bunny.
  • If you truly believe everything we have been told about 9/11 to be Truth then you have a very distorted view of reality. There are countless items that scream for a second look. Instead of the knee jerk reaction that the government would never do such a thing. Just look at the facts...
    Why does every 9/11 conspiracist assume that everybody who doesn't believe their version of the story is some kind of brainwashed zombie who can't believe anything that's contrary to what the government says.
    I actually trust almost nothing that I hear from the government. And have no doubts that some in our government would gladly do something as horrific as the World Trade Center Attacks. However, I have a very difficult time believing that the state could pull off such a gigantic operation that is so incredibly morally disgusting without anybody reporting it.

    And there is a sparsity of actual facts in this situation. That's what makes it so murky. Your "facts" consist of a serious of dubious connections.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sponger wrote:
    Bin Laden, a wise and peace-loving man, was forced to perpetrate violence against the oppressive, war-mongering, imperialistic regime that is the US Gov. in an effort to protect his fellow arabs, whom he loves so dearly.

    and for the second time whilst reading this thread something has made me laugh. :rolleyes: :D
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    oops. :)
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  • Osama said in a video after the attacks that it was a direct response to US intervention in the Arab world. Specificaly, for longstanding US policy agression towards the Iraqis and the Palestinians.

    I'm not judging the comments.
    Simply telling you what Osama himself is on tape saying.

    Translation: "We're coming over there, because you are over here."
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  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    I think Mulder and Scully need to investigate this. I'm waiting for their report.
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Osama said in a video after the attacks that it was a direct response to US intervention in the Arab world. Specificaly, for longstanding US policy agression towards the Iraqis and the Palestinians.

    I'm not judging the comments.
    Simply telling you what Osama himself is on tape saying.

    Translation: "We're coming over there, because you are over here."

    He was also VERY upset when Kuwait decided to take Americas help during the first Gulf War instead of his. His fighters had already been key in driving the USSR out of Afganistan and he thought that Kuwait should have taken his offer of help instead of a non Muslim country.

    This pissed him off big time.

    Not to mention the support we give to Israel.
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  • He was also VERY upset when Kuwait decided to take Americas help during the first Gulf War instead of his. His fighters had already been key in driving the USSR out of Afganistan and he thought that Kuwait should have taken his offer of help instead of a non Muslim country.

    This pissed him off big time.

    Not to mention the support we give to Israel.

    I haven't heard about that one before, but it makes it very interesting, that's for sure.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    "Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

    This is from the FBI site. You'd think 9/11 would be mentioned.
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  • Simple....they want McDonalds.
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    I haven't heard about that one before, but it makes it very interesting, that's for sure.

    Can't remember if I read it or saw it on TV.
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    I haven't heard about that one before, but it makes it very interesting, that's for sure.

    From Wilki:

    Bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia in 1990 as a hero of jihad, who along with his Arab legion, "had brought down the mighty superpower" of the Soviet Union.[47] However, during this time Iraq invaded Kuwait and Laden met the Sultan, and told him not to depend on non-Muslim troops and offered to help defend Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden was rebuffed and publicly denounced Saudi Arabia's dependence on US military. Bin Laden's criticism of the Saudi monarchy led the government to attempt to silence him.

    I could have swore it was Kuwait that he met with but I guess I was wrong about that.
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  • From Wilki:

    Bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia in 1990 as a hero of jihad, who along with his Arab legion, "had brought down the mighty superpower" of the Soviet Union.[47] However, during this time Iraq invaded Kuwait and Laden met the Sultan, and told him not to depend on non-Muslim troops and offered to help defend Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden was rebuffed and publicly denounced Saudi Arabia's dependence on US military. Bin Laden's criticism of the Saudi monarchy led the government to attempt to silence him.

    I could have swore it was Kuwait that he met with but I guess I was wrong about that.

    Why do you think Saudi Arabia rebuffed him?
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Why do you think Saudi Arabia rebuffed him?

    The United States has airplanes.
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Why do you think Saudi Arabia rebuffed him?

    Probably because it was a wiser choice to side with the American forces it their mind. I found this:

    In 1990-91, King Fahd played a key role before and during the Gulf war. King Fahd's action also consolidated the coalition of forces against Iraq and helped define the tone of the operation as a multilateral effort to reestablish the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Kuwait. Acting as a rallying point and personal spokesman for the coalition, King Fahd helped bring together his nation's GCC allies, Western allies, and Arab allies, as well as nonaligned nations from Africa and the emerging democracies of eastern Europe. He used his influence as Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques to persuade other Arab and Islamic nations to join the coalition.

    It was probably just a nice, quick no thanks but in OBL's mind it goes against everything he believes for a Muslim country to accept help from non Muslims.

    They hate everything that we're about.

    It's a shame so much attention was diverted from what he did and so much focus is paid to the "Mistake in Iraq'. The real threat is still out there. The way we look around the world just plays into the views of him and helps him with getting young Arabs to believe what he thinks is right.

    They should have not stopped until they found him. We were moving in the right direction before Iraq.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    DPrival78 wrote:
    why did they attack us?

    I'm pretty sure we got attacked because of Rolands fascination with Mary Carey movies
  • The United States has airplanes.


    Okay, we certainly do. What I meant, though, was what difference did it make who helped out in that situation. Either way the goal was the same, wasn't it?
  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Okay, we certainly do. What I meant, though, was what difference did it make who helped out in that situation. Either way the goal was the same, wasn't it?

    When it boils down to it, yes, but in the eyes of extremists and their theory of jihad, no.

    I also pulled this out of Wilki too:

    The events of the Gulf War fueled additional Islamic extremism. The change of face by Hussein's secular regime did little to draw support from Islamist groups. This action combined with the Saudi Arabian alliance with the United States and Saudi Arabia being seen as being on the same side of Israel dramatically eroded that regime's legitimacy. Activity of Islamist groups against the Saudi regime increased dramatically. The presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia, the invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent blockade were some of the grievances listed by Osama bin Laden in his 1998 Fatwa.

    In part to win back favour with Islamist groups, Saudi Arabia greatly increased funding to those that would support the regime. Throughout the newly independent states of Central Asia the Saudis paid for the distribution of millions of Qur'ans and the building of hundreds of mosques for extremist groups. In Afghanistan the Saudi regime became a leading patron of the Taliban in that nation's civil war, and one of the few foreign countries to officially recognize the government.


    Funny how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis, 15 to be exact.
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