Saudi Kidnap Rape victim faces 90 lashes

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Collin

dg1979us wrote:

How can this not be at least somewhat critical of Islam? This is done in a country ran by Sharia law. How can you possibly talk about this story, without having it in the context of Islam? If this were a case of a random Muslim doing something on his own accord, I would agree with you. This isnt. This is a terrible action called for under Islamic law. If you dont talk about it within a context of Islam, then you arent talking about the whole story. And no, that isnt condemning all Muslims, but it is most definately condemning Sharia law.

Just to be clear, Saudi Arabia is 1.7% of the Islam world. So I agree with you when you condemn the Sharia law but when a poster posts this story and says this:

Its a good thing that this is a religion of peace, I would hate to see what it was if they get violent.

He is condemning a entire religion based on the actions of the government of one country which is only 1.7% of the muslims world.

dg1979us

Collin wrote:

Just to be clear, Saudi Arabia is 1.7% of the Islam world. So I agree with you when you condemn the Sharia law but when a poster posts this story and says this:



He is condemning a entire religion based on the actions of the government of one country which is only 1.7% of the muslims world.

But like Hippiemom said, shouldnt this type of thing be at the forefront of the Muslim world? And Al jazeera doesnt even cover it because it is such an accepted practice. And no, I am not condemning Muslims on an individual level, but I have no problem condemning Sharia Law and Islam in general. This type of practice is just barbaric, and it seems the more rational Muslims and clerics would show some sort of out rage over it.

Byrnzie

MrBrian wrote:

Yeah but that killing is done behind closed doors right? the stink is contained. It's contained!

What difference does it make whether someone is electrocuted, given a lethal injection, or flogged, indoors or outdoors?

Byrnzie

yoke wrote:

GW doesn't behead people in the town square in the name of Jesus.

Maybe he should. I mean, if capital punishment is meant to be a deterrent then why are Americans not executed in full public view? Reeks of hypocrisy to me.

Collin

dg1979us wrote:

But like Hippiemom said, shouldnt this type of thing be at the forefront of the Muslim world?

Yes, in fact I think it should be forefront of the entire world.

And Al jazeera doesnt even cover it because it is such an accepted practice.

I don't know why Al-Jazeera isn't covering it.

And no, I am not condemning Muslims on an individual level, but I have no problem condemning Sharia Law and Islam in general.

I can understand condemning Sharia Law but since you're a Christian I can't understand how you can condemn Islam?

This type of practice is just barbaric, and it seems the more rational Muslims and clerics would show some sort of out rage over it.

I think there are plenty of Muslims who find this outrageous.

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yoke wrote:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=348792007




Its a good thing that this is a religion of peace, I would hate to see what it was if they get violent.

Supposedly they got violent on 911. Where were you? And to boot your government did a whole lot of nothing to the country where most, if not all the bad boogie men came from. You comment is amusing to say the least about the religion.

dg1979us

Collin wrote:

Yes, in fact I think it should be forefront of the entire world.


I don't know why Al-Jazeera isn't covering it.


I can understand condemning Sharia Law but since you're a Christian I can't understand how you can condemn Islam?



I think there are plenty of Muslims who find this outrageous.

Who said I was a Christian? I never mentioned or defended Christianity a bit, so not sure what ass you pulled that out of.

Collin

dg1979us wrote:

Who said I was a Christian? I never mentioned or defended Christianity a bit, so not sure what ass you pulled that out of.

I must have you confused with somebody else then, sorry.

dg1979us

Collin wrote:

I must have you confused with somebody else then, sorry.

No problem, it happens.

gabers

MrBrian wrote:

It's just a bunch of backward people. backward government. I'm happy the US does not support them (Saudi Arabia) in anyway.

Are you kidding? Didn't Bush get caught tongue kissing one of their sheiks?!

Milestone

gabers wrote:

Are you kidding? Didn't Bush get caught tongue kissing one of their sheiks?!

No, but I think he was on film giving the sheik a reacharound.

Abookamongstthemany

hippiemom wrote:

This isn't one lone Muslim, or some tiny group of fanatics. It's a theocratic government of one of the largest countries in the Muslim world acting according to their interpretation of their sacred texts. I spent a long time googling this yesterday and was unable to find a single instance of a Muslim anywhere being critical of it. The story isn't even being covered by Al Jazeera. There's no getting around it, this does not speak well of their culture.

Their government doesn't allow for such freedoms. And you won't find our government being too critical of Saudi Arabia, either. They are happy enough with how things are being ran over there...the last thing they'd want is a Saudi Arabia actually ran by it's people.

dg1979us

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Their government doesn't allow for such freedoms. And you won't find our government being too critical of Saudi Arabia, either. They are happy enough with how things are being ran over there...the last thing they'd want is a Saudi Arabia actually ran by it's people.

But you rarely hear any Muslim clerics in the middle east criticise Saudi Arabia. And while you are right about the US government's relationship with Saudi Arabia, it still doesnt excuse this type of behavior. Lets be honest, our government doesnt care what type of society they have, we care about our business relationship. So, again, I agree with you that we shouldnt be dealing with them, but I hardly think you can hold our government responsible for the Sharia law.

hippiemom

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Their government doesn't allow for such freedoms. And you won't find our government being too critical of Saudi Arabia, either. They are happy enough with how things are being ran over there...the last thing they'd want is a Saudi Arabia actually ran by it's people.

Shit, I don't expect our government to criticize anyone ... which is probably a good thing, they're in no position to be pointing fingers. And I know that Saudis don't have freedom of speech. But I could find NO instance of a Muslim anywhere in the world criticizing this action ... not in the Middle East, not in the US, not in Europe. And if you were getting all your news from Al Jazeera, you'd never know it was happening. Are they embarrassed, or is it such a common occurance that it's not even news?

Again, if this were a one-time deal it would still be tragic, but I wouldn't be talking about it as a Muslim issue. It's not a one-time thing though, stories like this crop up all the time from throughout the middle east and Asia. Only Muslim countries repeatedly do things like this, and I don't recall once hearing a Muslim anywhere denounce it.

Collin

Well there's Fuziyah al-Ouni (mentioned in the article) who critisizes the House of Saud. And there's the Saudi Gazette brave enough to publish her (the victim) story.

Abookamongstthemany

dg1979us wrote:

But you rarely hear any Muslim clerics in the middle east criticise Saudi Arabia. And while you are right about the US government's relationship with Saudi Arabia, it still doesnt excuse this type of behavior. Lets be honest, our government doesnt care what type of society they have, we care about our business relationship. So, again, I agree with you that we shouldnt be dealing with them, but I hardly think you can hold our government responsible for the Sharia law.

I'm not saying we should. And I'm not making excuses for this. I'm saying that as far as speaking out about things like this, our government is at fault for supporting them and turning a blind eye to these disgusting human rights violations in the name of money. I can't be too disgusted by their governments actions and their peoples lack of a dissenting voice without also taking a long, hard look at my own country and it's indifference as long as the money is flowing. Both piss me the fuck off.

MrBrian

dg1979us wrote:

But like Hippiemom said, shouldnt this type of thing be at the forefront of the Muslim world? And Al jazeera doesnt even cover it because it is such an accepted practice. And no, I am not condemning Muslims on an individual level, but I have no problem condemning Sharia Law and Islam in general. This type of practice is just barbaric, and it seems the more rational Muslims and clerics would show some sort of out rage over it.

It's a sick practice and of course other muslims should not allow such things to happen in the name of islam. But again, this practice is not islam. Saudi arabia goes on about being a muslim country with muslim laws but the truth is they are not, islam does not even allow royals like the kings and princes living in palaces while it's people face so many struggles. If saudi arabia was a true muslim country they would not have the royals. women would not have to sit outside while men sit inside and eat lunch. saudi arabia is a backward country. a US backed backward country.

For example Look at the face covering for woman, it's not islam. it has nothing to do with islam. it was a practice created many years before islam. Yet it's all over saudi arabia. If anyone should be whipped it should be the royals and the clerics.

Abookamongstthemany

hippiemom wrote:

Shit, I don't expect our government to criticize anyone ... which is probably a good thing, they're in no position to be pointing fingers. And I know that Saudis don't have freedom of speech. But I could find NO instance of a Muslim anywhere in the world criticizing this action ... not in the Middle East, not in the US, not in Europe. And if you were getting all your news from Al Jazeera, you'd never know it was happening. Are they embarrassed, or is it such a common occurance that it's not even news?

Again, if this were a one-time deal it would still be tragic, but I wouldn't be talking about it as a Muslim issue. It's not a one-time thing though, stories like this crop up all the time from throughout the middle east and Asia. Only Muslim countries repeatedly do things like this, and I don't recall once hearing a Muslim anywhere denounce it.

Maybe the people, though, do denounce it, and we just don't hear it. Look at how our media covers our own outrage and then multiply that by 1000. And most of these people don't have internet access, I'm guessing...at least not on the scale we do and they are also fearful, I'm sure, of speaking out and being punished for it. Keeping these people in a state of fear is quite beneficial to the Saudi govt.

hippiemom

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Maybe the people, though, do denounce it, and we just don't hear it. Look at how our media covers our own outrage and then multiply that by 1000. And most of these people don't have internet access, I'm guessing...at least not on the scale we do and they are also fearful, I'm sure, of speaking out and being punished for it. Keeping these people in a state of fear is quite beneficial to the Saudi govt.

I don't hear the Muslim populations of Europe or the US making a peep.

I understand what you're saying about our own government, and I agree 100%. But I'd be having a conniption if some bunch of Christians were doing anything close to this, and I'd be expecting Christians everywhere to denounce it ... I'd have a lot of company on this board, too. I'm not going to make excuses because it's Muslims.