dog says niggar in private conversation and loses career

soulsinging

Jeanie wrote:

Ok, so you're saying that no matter who you are, where you are or what you are doing, you need to choose your words carefully?

Shitty people may be, and not illegal either, but that's not really an excuse to compound bad behaviour is it?

yes, you do. welcome to the new millenium.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

One of the drawbacks of being famous. Watching what you say all the time and being able to trust people.

Welcome to fame...walk the tightrope.

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

no, that isnt the way it works. it's not a precedent. it's established law.

See? This is where I can only look at the US and shake my head.

And be nervous because your laws are eroding the rest of the worlds legal systems.

Of course it shouldn't be all that hard to repeal the law or amend it.

You know because it's WRONG.

mookie9999

MahoganySouls wrote:

I get what your saying Cosmo, but even Jill would not stoop to making a big issue of the swastika. Does it have negative connotations? Sure. But one of the great things about the recovery of the Jewish nation is that they don't dwell on that one event as being their defining moment. They have moved on. They cherish their lives in the present not the suffering of the past. They might reflect on it from time to time, but they aren't shoving down peoples throats every change they get. They also don't go around talking smack with each other. When was the last time you heard Jill say "get gassed you filthy emaciated baldy" to a fellow Jewish friend?

The point in all of this is, everyone has something from their ancestry that can be percieved as negative. It can drum up painful memories or represent a sore spot in history. But to take issue with every little thing that comes up is only going to make the reprocussions of that event linger longer.

Words and symbols are ineffective unless we give them creedence.

I have to disagree with most of what you said. First, while Jews may not be making the outrageous comment you typed above (I realize it was in jest) most of the people directly affected by the Nazi's (Jews over 60) along with their children have not "moved on". My gf worked at a Jewish nursing home in Brooklyn and believe me, all was not forgotten, nor should it be. Now, I believe you were comparing this to the continued use of the word "nigger" by blacks. Well, although life has dramatically improved for blacks since the '60's, the amount of racism they continue to face on a daily basis across the U.S. runs far more rampant then any other group. While there is still hatred amongst all types, what is done to blacks far exceeds all of it. Makes it a little harder for them to "move on".

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

yes, you do. welcome to the new millenium.

I can see now why old people get sick of living.

Some things just don't need to happen.

I reckon this would be one of them.

soulsinging

mookie9999 wrote:

I have to disagree with most of what you said. First, while Jews may not be making the outrageous comment you typed above (I realize it was in jest) most of the people directly affected by the Nazi's (Jews over 60) along with their children have not "moved on". My gf worked at a Jewish nursing home in Brooklyn and believe me, all was not forgotten, nor should it be. Now, I believe you were comparing this to the continued use of the word "nigger" by blacks. Well, although life has dramatically improved for blacks since the '60's, the amount of racism they continue to face on a daily basis across the U.S. runs far more rampant then any other group. While there is still hatred amongst all types, what is done to blacks far exceeds all of it. Makes it a little harder for them to "move on".

not to mention, just as with those old jewish folks, the old black folks grew up in days when they had to have separate schools, separate drinking fountains, etc.

MahoganySouls

mookie9999 wrote:

what is done to blacks far exceeds all of it.

Maybe you could elaborate. What exactly is "done to blacks" in todays modern society?

Also, could you clarify for us what role things like deliberate involvement in drugs, gangs, drop out rates, unemployment, abuse of the welfare system, teen pregnancy and multiple/absentee parenting play into this?

soulsinging

MahoganySouls wrote:

Maybe you could elaborate. What exactly is "done to blacks" in todays modern society?

Also, could you clarify for us what role things like deliberate involvement in drugs, gangs, drop out rates, unemployment, abuse of the welfare system, teen pregnancy and multiple/absentee parenting play into this?

you're right. niggers are lazy and worthless.

racial profiling
glass ceilings
housing discrimination
underfunded schools
police brutality
latent racism

Allie

soulsinging wrote:

not to mention, just as with those old jewish folks.

my ex was half German and my parents and Grandmother had a problem with THAT :eek:

but you know stories/knowledge, feelings about the Holocaust, that gets passed down
one of my father's uncles's was a Holocaust survivor

and then there's the anti Semitism. It still exists. I experienced plenty of it growing up on Long Island
and there's still plenty of it in existence today... there is a consistent stream of stories of Swastikas being painted on temples, homes, in Jewish neighborhoods...

and what about the recent rash of incidents of nooses turning up, threatening/menacing people, that's disturbing

And anybody who doesn't 'get' why white people shouldn't use the N word, I mean I can't believe that requires an explanation.
That's what slave owners used to call their slaves. It is one of the worst possible insults. I don't think the younger generations realize that....

soulsinging

Allie wrote:

my ex was half German and my parents and Grandmother had a problem with THAT :eek:

but you know stories/knowledge, feelings about the Holocaust, that gets passed down
one of my father's uncles's was a Holocaust survivor

and then there's the anti Semitism. It still exists. I experienced plenty of it growing up on Long Island
and there's still plenty of it in existence today... there is a consistent stream of stories of Swastikas being painted on temples, homes, in Jewish neighborhoods...

and what about the recent rash of incidents of nooses turning up, threatening/menacing people, that's disturbing

And anybody who doesn't 'get' why white people shouldn't use the N word, I mean I can't believe that requires an explanation.
That's what slave owners used to call their slaves. It is one of the worst possible insults. I don't think the younger generations realize that....

i love the jews, but mainly becos one of the foxiest girls i ever dated was jewish. she seemed to feel there was a lot of anti-semitism out there too. i've personally never seen it, but i grew up sheltered.

Intothewild

We are the Mods, We are the, We are the We are the We are the Mods.......Ok, Im not about shutting down speech but this thread is way the fuck out of control. Settle it down or maybe the Mods can. Freedom of speech=cool. Freedom to defame or hate=not cool. Settle the fuck down people and dont use that fucking N word!!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Intothewild wrote:

We are the Mods, We are the, We are the We are the We are the Mods.......Ok, Im not about shutting down speech but this thread is way the fuck out of control. Settle it down or maybe the Mods can. Freedom of speech=cool. Freedom to defame or hate=not cool. Settle the fuck down people and dont use that fucking N word!!

You're free to not use the word, and/or or not click and be offended from the content within.

What do you suppose you're going to do about it? Even if this thread does get locked. You're wasting your breath...the world still happens.

zip... bupkiss...

Anon

Intothewild wrote:

We are the Mods, We are the, We are the We are the We are the Mods.......Ok, Im not about shutting down speech but this thread is way the fuck out of control. Settle it down or maybe the Mods can. Freedom of speech=cool. Freedom to defame or hate=not cool. Settle the fuck down people and dont use that fucking N word!!

We came, we saw, we kicked its ass.

who ya gonna call?

know1

MahoganySouls wrote:

Wow and I thought America had this little thing called "freedom of speech". I guess not.

America does, private companies do not.

know1

onelongsong wrote:

that bit is grasped. the bit that isn't is that THEY GAVE A REASON. and that reason was because of ONE COMMON WORD he used in a private conversation. if you were sitting over dinner and said your boss was an arse; and your child said something and you got fired over it; you'd understand the point.

Again, if they can fire you for no reason, then they can just as well fire you for a reason.

mookie9999

MahoganySouls wrote:

Maybe you could elaborate. What exactly is "done to blacks" in todays modern society?

Also, could you clarify for us what role things like deliberate involvement in drugs, gangs, drop out rates, unemployment, abuse of the welfare system, teen pregnancy and multiple/absentee parenting play into this?

As to what is done to blacks nowadays, here is a partial list:

-Racial Profiling
-Police Harassment/Brutality/"Accidental Shootings (where person is shot 20+times, accidentaly)
-Distrust by others (People locking doors, clutching purses, etc)
-Hatred and prejudice on a daily basis (sometimes doesn't come out until you think you're in private, hello Dog)
-Nooses
-Continued attempts at segregation in some small towns
-Hate Crimes
-Gentrification

As to the "deliberate involement" you describe, I assume you are referring to the larger population of blacks involved in what you mentioned vs. other races, as those acts are committed by all types. Well, if you on a daily basis were faced with the above mentioned list on a regular basis, you might, just might, turn to criminal activites at a higher rate than say a white person. Whatever the case, whites shouldn't use the word nigger. If people on here can't understand that or want to continue to say their is a double standard, well they are beyond help. To them I say, feel free to use the word and see how that works out for you.

soulsinging

MahoganySouls wrote:

again, the response was....I was not hypocritical. Try again.

Furthermore, is Speedy so inept that you have to fight his battle for him?

a response that is wrong. he makes a crack about cooking good dog and he's a racist. you talk about how all the niggers are lazy, drug-addicted, welfare-abusing so and so's, and you're just stating honest facts, right? meanwhile, halloween is a holiday of satan and thanksgiving is about american genocide of the indians. funny how you're so concerned about the plight of minorities... as long as they're not those colored folks cos they brought it on themselves eh?

onelongsong

MahoganySouls wrote:

Maybe you could elaborate. What exactly is "done to blacks" in todays modern society?

Also, could you clarify for us what role things like deliberate involvement in drugs, gangs, drop out rates, unemployment, abuse of the welfare system, teen pregnancy and multiple/absentee parenting play into this?

i have to agree. which bit didn't blacks bring upon themselves? in the 70's we were asked NOT to use the "N" word and for the most part; american society stopped using it. then years later some blacks decided to dig it up and bring it into mailstream america. they called eachother the n word and brought it into comedy and music. needless to say the word stuck and now it's everyday language OFF THE TELE. so now we're in a situation where a word is brought back into the venacular of the day once again and those who asked us not to say it; are the ones that brought it back. so now we have to divide society into sections. this section is allowed to use these words and other sections are not. personally; i've heard the n word used more by mexicans but i don't have exposure to many blacks. when chriss rock uses the n word it's funny. but let a white man say it and he loses his career.
so all this bullshit about equality goes out the window because the blacks now decide they want special treatment and want to be allowed to use words that whites are banned from using.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

i have to agree. which bit didn't blacks bring upon themselves? in the 70's we were asked NOT to use the "N" word and for the most part; american society stopped using it. then years later some blacks decided to dig it up and bring it into mailstream america. they called eachother the n word and brought it into comedy and music. needless to say the word stuck and now it's everyday language OFF THE TELE. so now we're in a situation where a word is brought back into the venacular of the day once again and those who asked us not to say it; are the ones that brought it back. so now we have to divide society into sections. this section is allowed to use these words and other sections are not. personally; i've heard the n word used more by mexicans but i don't have exposure to many blacks. when chriss rock uses the n word it's funny. but let a white man say it and he loses his career.
so all this bullshit about equality goes out the window because the blacks now decide they want special treatment and want to be allowed to use words that whites are banned from using.

becos whites use them in a different and offensive sense. blacks use nigger as in "brother" or "fellow minority." whites, as you yourself admitted, use it in the sense of "motherfucker" or "lazy piece of shit." blacks have tried to change its meaning and use it in that sense and whites are trying to use it as an excuse to resurrect an old word and use it in the same sense that led to its being dropped from the popular lexicon.

the blacks alive today are first generation from segregation and sharecropping. the grandparents grew up under jim crow. you don't think that takes some time to get past? the problems iin the ghetto now pale in comparison to what they were 10 years ago. give it another 30 and things will have levelled out.

onelongsong

mookie9999 wrote:

As to what is done to blacks nowadays, here is a partial list:

-Racial Profiling
-Police Harassment/Brutality/"Accidental Shootings (where person is shot 20+times, accidentaly)
-Distrust by others (People locking doors, clutching purses, etc)
-Hatred and prejudice on a daily basis (sometimes doesn't come out until you think you're in private, hello Dog)
-Nooses
-Continued attempts at segregation in some small towns
-Hate Crimes
-Gentrification

As to the "deliberate involement" you describe, I assume you are referring to the larger population of blacks involved in what you mentioned vs. other races, as those acts are committed by all types. Well, if you on a daily basis were faced with the above mentioned list on a regular basis, you might, just might, turn to criminal activites at a higher rate than say a white person. Whatever the case, whites shouldn't use the word nigger. If people on here can't understand that or want to continue to say their is a double standard, well they are beyond help. To them I say, feel free to use the word and see how that works out for you.

that is so full of shite. a black person has a better chance than anyone in the us. blacks don't need good grades to get scholarships. they only need to be black. racial profiling?? where? in black neighborhoods? there was a big deal about racial profiling mexicans when arizona was clearing out illegals. the city of mesa i believe was going to be sued because the police were only stopping mexicans to see if they were legal. this in a town which is 95% mexican. there's nobody else to stop. get off your arses and go to work. 5 out of 6 of my doctors are black so stop crying. all you're looking for is a reason to fail.