Socialized Healthcare?

Dylan Stone

lazymoon13 wrote:

no

I thought you didn't come from a privileged background?

Yet you went to private school?

More contradictions?

AND...when you took out your student loans...you said what...

"I don't want to apply for the Stafford Loan. No...I want mine to all be regular bank loans so I can pay a lot of interest but say I have never benefitted from the US government..." OK.

Commy

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

You are not providing any clarity or real insight into your argument. I was just requesting a little more info as you are contradicting yourself all over the place.

The seven kids that are born to the people that cannot afford them. You think it's stupid. The parents may be stupid. The parents may/may not be underprivileged...unempowered.

Ever know people with very low IQ's? Like in the 60-70 range. What should we do? Sterilize them? What about them? What about their kids?

Do these people have to go without healthcare? Because they are "stupid?"

Darwinism isn't completly dead it would seem.

Dylan Stone

lazymoon13 wrote:

um, I pay taxes.

So do MANY, MANY Of the 40 million uninsured Americans.

I think you are finally getting what we are talking about!

lazymoon13

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

So do MANY, MANY Of the 40 million uninsured Americans.

I think you are finally getting what we are talking about!

I never said they couldn't use roads or a library. did I ? and btw, healthcare is more expensive then roads so dont even bother.

how bout commy? he openly admits to not paying taxes. o its ok. we'll let him slid just this once.

prism

this was the question

Are you saying you have never taken advantage of any of the services my tax dollars - or those of the people who don't have health insurance - have paid for?

this was your answer

lazymoon13 wrote:

um, I pay taxes.

news flash....you're not the only one that pays taxes

there are plenty of people that pay taxes yet because of health problems are not able to get health insurance in this country. or if they do somehow do get approved despite their health problem the cost is so astronomical that health insurance is way beyond out of reach for them

Commy

lazymoon13 wrote:

I never said they couldn't use roads or a library. did I ? and btw, healthcare is more expensive then roads so dont even bother.

how bout commy? he openly admits to not paying taxes. o its ok. we'll let him slid just this once.

I still pay taxes, just not income, federal or state. Which is great, especially considering what the majority of taxes are used for.

lazymoon13

prism wrote:

news flash....you're not the only one that pays taxes

did I say I was? even though I pay a shitload of taxes, I'm not asking for free healthcare. you know why? I like the top quality care that I have access to.

prism wrote:

there are plenty of people that pay taxes yet because of health problems are not able to get health insurance in this country. or if they do somehow do get approved despite their health problem the cost is so astronomical that health insurance is way beyond out of reach for them

there are also many who do have access to healthcare via their workplace. those people who don't, have other options.

lazymoon13

Commy wrote:

I still pay taxes, just not income, federal or state. Which is great, especially considering what the majority of taxes are used for.

do you work? if not, why? if by choice, more power to you. just don't ask me to pay for your healthcare. find a fucking job or pay for it yourself.

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lazymoon13 wrote:

a woman can have as many kids as she wants. just dont ask me to pay for them. (even thought I already support a system that would)

bring in on?? lol ok. I'll say it again. I don't financial support stupidity and irresponsibility.

How dare you judge who is stupid or irresponsible when you don't know the first thing about their situations?

No, a woman can't necessarily have as many (or few) kids as she wants. The woman I spoke of with 7 kids was not allowed by her husband to use contraception or refuse sex. How dare you judge her? Where is your sense of justice or humanity?

49% of pregnancies in the US are unintended. Are ALL of those women AND MEN stupid and irresponsible? If you are in fact a man, it's unlikely that you don't even know how many unintended pregnancies you have caused - by having sex, I mean.

You have caused plenty by opposing women's right to reliable health care. One of the primary reasons the US has one of the highest (most shameful) rates of unintended pregnancies in the developed world is because of our lack of universal health care - not because we have more than our fair share of stupid, irresponsible people. (Although this conversation is making me wonder...) This is why while unintended pregnancy was decreasing by 20% among wealthier women, it was increasing by 29% among poorer women. Many women have every intention of maintaining a reliable form of birth control - but pills are $30/month, EC is $40 a pop, IUDs are $400, condoms aren't that reliable, etc. How do you expect these women to afford this? Or, once again, do you expect married women not to sleep with their husbands? Refusing access to birth control to poor women and then calling them stupid and irresponsible when they get pregnant is quite oxymoronical, don't ya think?

Additionally, exactly what the fuck do you know about the efficacy of birth control? 89% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy use birth control. They are being responsible! But - here's a news flash for ya pal - BIRTH CONTROL FAILS. Even tubal ligations and vasectomies fail. But these women who got pregnant with their tubes tied are just stupid and irresponsible, huh? What a crock of ignorant shit.

Commy

lazymoon13 wrote:

do you work? if not, why? if by choice, more power to you. just don't ask me to pay for your healthcare. find a fucking job or pay for it yourself.

sometimes circumstance puts us in situations where is is not so easy to take care of ourseleves.

lazymoon13

scb wrote:

How dare you judge who is stupid or irresponsible when you don't know the first thing about their situations?

No, a woman can't necessarily have as many (or few) kids as she wants. The woman I spoke of with 7 kids was not allowed by her husband to use contraception or refuse sex. How dare you judge her? Where is your sense of justice or humanity?

49% of pregnancies in the US are unintended. Are ALL of those women AND MEN stupid and irresponsible? If you are in fact a man, it's unlikely that you even know how many unintended pregnancies you have caused - by having sex, I mean.

You have caused plenty by opposing women's right to reliable health care. One of the primary reasons the US has the highest (most shameful) rate of unintended pregnancies in the developed world is because of our lack of universal health care - not because we have more than our fair share of stupid, irresponsible people. (Although this conversation is making me wonder...) This is why while unintended pregnancy was decreasing by 20% among wealthier women, it was increasing by 29% among poorer women. Many women have every intention of maintaining a reliable form of birth control - but pills are $30/month, EC is $40 a pop, IUDs are $400, condoms aren't that reliable, etc. How do you expect these women to afford this? Or, once again, do you expect married women not to sleep with their husbands? Refusing access to birth control to poor women and then calling them stupid and irresponsible when they get pregnant is quite oxymoronical, don't ya think?

Additionally, exactly what the fuck do you know about the efficacy of birth control? 89% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy use birth control. They are being responsible! But - here's a news flash for ya pal - BIRTH CONTROL FAILS. Even tubal ligations and vasectomies fail. But these women who got pregnant with their tubes tied are just stupid and irresponsible, huh? What a crock of ignorant shit.

I'll do and say and judge whoever I want? lose the fucking attitude. I can make up numbers and %'s too. but then you would just call me a lair. sorry I don't support stupidity and irresponsibility.

if you cant take on the responsibility of having children, dont have sex.

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lazymoon13 wrote:

shocking. you do realize that quality of care will go to shit when you ask the dumbfuck government to run healthcare? you are aware of this right?

When did I say the government should run healthcare? And when have you presented any proof that quality of care would go down if it did?

lazymoon13 wrote:

no, never.

So, no federal student loans? No state institutions of higher education? No use of roads? No children in public school?

prism

lazymoon13 wrote:

did I say I was? even though I pay a shitload of taxes, I'm not asking for free healthcare. you know why? I like the top quality care that I have access to.



they are also many who do have access to healthcare via their workplace. they people who don't have options.

and fewer and fewer workplaces with employers that are providing health benefits or any sort of access to health insurance for their employees.

who knows What you're trying to say by "they people who don't have options" unless of course you meant to say "there are many people who don't have options" in which case that is exactly the point

lazymoon13

Commy wrote:

sometimes circumstance puts us in situations where is is not so easy to take care of ourseleves.

isn't that what family is for? do you do something to piss them off? thats not my fault now is it? if not, good thing we have welfare i guess.

Dylan Stone

lazymoon13 wrote:

do you work? if not, why? if by choice, more power to you. just don't ask me to pay for your healthcare. find a fucking job or pay for it yourself.

You keep implying that many of us that are in favor of universal healthcare are in favor of it for our own personal benefit. I believe most of that are in favor of UHC are in favor of it for the good of society.

Just because you are all about YOU doesn't mean we all are.

Commy

lazymoon13 wrote:

isn't that what family is for? do you do something to piss them off? thats not my fault now is it? if not, good thing we have welfare i guess.

eh, not everyone has a family structure to rely on. think society casn pick up when family isn't an option.

lazymoon13

prism wrote:

and fewer and fewer workplaces with employers that are providing health benefits or any sort of access to health insurance for their employees.

is fun making shit up to fit your argument huh?

Dylan Stone

lazymoon13 wrote:

isn't that what family is for? do you do something to piss them off? thats not my fault now is it? if not, good thing we have welfare i guess.

Family, huh? Private school,huh?

But you don't see how you are more privileged than many, many others?

You really are VERY short-sighted.

lazymoon13

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

You keep implying that many of us that are in favor of universal healthcare are in favor of it for our own personal benefit. I believe most of that are in favor of UHC are in favor of it for the good of society.

Just because you are all about YOU doesn't mean we all are.

this has nothing to do with my post. instead of forums.pearljam.com try monster.com thank me later.

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lazymoon13 wrote:

um, I pay taxes.

Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you can dictate that others who pay taxes - or who will or have - shouldn't benefit from universal healthcare.

I pay taxes too. So I paid for your use of the public library - or whatever - and maybe I didn't want to. By your logic, that means you've stolen my money.

You don't get to have everything your way just because you pay taxes if I don't get to have everything my way because I pay taxes.