Libertarian ideology

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    RainDog wrote:
    Basically.

    Or, you could look at it another way and say that you're still held accountable - in the same way that a virus is held accountable by an immune system, or an asteroid is held accountable by gravity.

    Of course I am held accountable because I made the decision, knowing the consequences of my actions. That is the flaw in Ahnimus' theory, there is no accountablity for people's actions because you are placing the ownership of those actions on something besides the person actually carrying out the action.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It may be a boring theory, but it's reality and as such we should model our social and political systems around it.

    Your reality, not mine.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It may be a boring theory, but it's reality and as such we should model our social and political systems around it.

    For what purpose?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    Your reality, not mine.

    Right... but your reality is a children's book. The carebear stare doesn't work here.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    For what purpose?

    Morality
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Right... but your reality is a children's book. The carebear stare doesn't work here.

    It seems to work for everyone but you. I can easily throw out a childish insult to discredit your theory but I'll be the adult here.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    It seems to work for everyone but you. I can easily throw out a childish insult to discredit your theory but I'll be the adult here.

    Oh right. So you have the cure for cancer? Might I ask why so many board members suffer from terminal illnesses if your reality really works? Just fucking carebear stare them, hold hands and hug trees, and all your ailments should be gone, right? Or maybe it just takes your 'cares' away, makes you a careless person. You ignore reality for your comfort.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Morality

    What is that?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    What is that?

    A human social construct
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh right. So you have the cure for cancer? Might I ask why so many board members suffer from terminal illnesses if your reality really works? Just fucking carebear stare them, hold hands and hug trees, and all your ailments should be gone, right? Or maybe it just takes your 'cares' away, makes you a careless person. You ignore reality for your comfort.

    What the fuck are you talking about. Have you completely gone nuts. What does my belief in free will have to do with the search for a cure for cancer or any other terminal illness. I'll answer that question for you abso-fucking-lutely nothing. Simply because I don't buy your fucking mumbo jumbo doesn't mean I am blind to the problems of the world or that my perception of reality is somehow suger coated with cherries and fucking gum drops.

    Let me ask you since you seem to think that you have all the right answers, do you have the cure for cancer?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    A human social construct

    So we "should model our social and political systems around" determinism for the purpose of "a human social construct"? Doesn't any socio-political model accomplish that?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Ahnimus wrote:
    As far as personal choice goes libertarianism is complete bullshit.

    This was a setup for a thread hijack if I've ever seen one.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    This was a setup for a thread hijack if I've ever seen one.

    And stupid me fucking fell for it.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mammasan wrote:
    And stupid me fucking fell for it.

    LOL. I used to until I got sucked into a couple of very long threads and decided life was too short and I had a lot of choices to make!
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    LOL. I used to until I got sucked into a couple of very long threads and decided life was too short and I had a lot of choices to make!

    I'm making a mental note to avoid Ahnimus' posts from this day forward.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    What the fuck are you talking about. Have you completely gone nuts. What does my belief in free will have to do with the search for a cure for cancer or any other terminal illness. I'll answer that question for you abso-fucking-lutely nothing. Simply because I don't buy your fucking mumbo jumbo doesn't mean I am blind to the problems of the world or that my perception of reality is somehow suger coated with cherries and fucking gum drops.

    Let me ask you since you seem to think that you have all the right answers, do you have the cure for cancer?

    Prevention is the cure.

    Nobody has to get cancer. But they fail to educate themselves, because they some how think intuition has all the answers.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So we "should model our social and political systems around" determinism for the purpose of "a human social construct"? Doesn't any socio-political model accomplish that?

    Determinism
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Prevention is the cure.

    Nobody has to get cancer. But they fail to educate themselves, because they some how think intuition has all the answers.

    How about the poor souls who already have it. How do you cure them. How about small children who develope lukemia. I guess they failed to educate themselves so that's why they contracted lukemia.

    Is prevention your cure to all diseases or just cancer.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Determinism

    Hehe...I asked two yes-or-no questions. "Determinism" is not a valid answer to either.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    How about the poor souls who already have it. How do you cure them. How about small children who develope lukemia. I guess they failed to educate themselves so that's why they contracted lukemia.

    Is prevention your cure to all diseases or just cancer.

    It needs to be a concerted effort.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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