Everything really looked fake. They both are really bad, but I guess Palin did lose this one. She needs some Obama acting classes if she really wants people to respect her. Or just show a nipple.
She never answered a question and she rambled and rambled...
I was watching the debate with my girlfriend...and palin gave one of incoherent, rambling answers...I said "what did she just say"....my girlfriend said "something about maps....".....
palin did a bit better than miss teen SC....
let me just add....biden kicked the crap out of mccain....and palin couldn't defend it....
I liked the "ya keep loookin' back" talking point that palin kept using....yet she went on to ramble about mccain's experience....I guess that's not loookin' back, don't ya know...
It really discouraged me that even though she wasn't talking about anything deep (or even addressing the questions asked!), and even though she was passing out wrong facts, she gave a better emotional presentation than Biden.
Why can't Obama and Biden get on the ball and blow them away? They aren't being aggressive enough or emotionally connected enough to plow their opponents into the ground!!
I wish they'd work on the emotional presentations. They may have good ideas, but they're not demonstrating their strengths well enough!!!
I here people praising her and giving her a win based on her not imploding? Little Sarah thinks 1+1 =5, but lets give her an A b/c she can add? She avoided details and actually at one point said im not answering that question. She may have appealed to her base, but she already has those people.
i would say her performance was expected - i'll give her a 4 out of 5 ... she avoided for the most part the stuttering that looks bad on tv ... all she had to do was say the same talking points for all the predictable questions and she did a good job ...
but eerily similar to most right wing campaigns - she offered a whole lot of nothing which really has to be the GOP strategy for them to win ... she wasn't able to defende any of the accusations biden laid at her nor was she interested ...
she is still in waaaaaaaaaaaay over her head - anyone objective can see that ...
They all do that. Obama, Biden especially, McCain, Palin. They change the subject constantly. What it comes down to most of the time is they simply disagree. You can't take it any farther than that. The problem is, disagreement is "bad" considering both sides are trying to appeal to everyone. So they change the subject.
I give her a 4 also. I just can't wait to see how the Dems and the media will somehow try to get a new stereotype going about Palin. That is all that has been done against Palin. Stereotyping. She's not the VP yet, obviously, she never did anything glaringly abhorrent as governor or mayor. Actually, she did a pretty good job. So, all they had to go on was the idea of portraying her as the psycho religious, milf, redneck, pit bull fanatic from Alaska. Pathetic.
It's a sad state of affairs when people's political opinions come entirely from SNL.
couldn't say it better myself.
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I think she is more a female Obama ....talks a lot with nothing to back it up....but that's OK...she is only running for the VP..I give her a 4
Excellent point
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Abot three and a half stars. I thought Biden won the debate, but she certainly did better than her interviews would have led someone to believe. She did well; she was trying very very hard to be Ronald Reagan...I think she even threw out a "there you go again"...I don't think she was quite that successful.
Who I thought of actually was a much smarter George W. Bush who is much better at speaking. The "white flag of surrender" stuff, that "they hate us for our freedoms", that kind of skin deep analysis was very Bush-like, but she was far more personable and effective in its delivery, which I suppose is a little scary. The false folksiness, the social conservative streak; I agree with those who would say that Palin reminds them more of the past eight years than McCain.
Just to remind everyone, the grading was based on you PRIOR expectations and whether they were met or not. I think some are grading on how she did overall.... that's not what this thread was supposed to be about.
Just to remind everyone, the grading was based on you PRIOR expectations and whether they were met or not. I think some are grading on how she did overall.... that's not what this thread was supposed to be about.
Which is a way of slanting it so that Palin comes off as better than she, in reality, was. Of course, it was the disaster a lot were hoping for, but a large part of that was down to the format and Palin not being challenged on her responses. Note, I said responses and not answers, because she didn't actually offer up many of those. I don't give her credit for not falling on her face, we should be able to automatically expect and demand that from someone who could be VP. Fact is, she spewed out memorised sound-bytes and home-spun tales about Alaska that often pertained to nothing. She may as well have carved "Sarah Wuz Here" into the podium, because after the 90 minutes that's about all she contributed.
She did great. So well that she suprised Biden, did you see him with his constant nervous chuckle. He was totally taken back by it.
Say what you will, she suprised everyone and did way batter then anyone thought she would have.
Biden came off as old school politics with nothing new to the table.
Palin came off as new but hard working and someone who is not gonna stand for the old school bullshit.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
She did great. So well that she suprised Biden, did you see him with his constant nervous chuckle. He was totally taken back by it.
Say what you will, she suprised everyone and did way batter then anyone thought she would have.
Biden came off as old school politics with nothing new to the table.
Palin came off as new but hard working and someone who is not gonna stand for the old school bullshit.
She may as well have carved "Sarah Wuz Here" into the podium, because after the 90 minutes that's about all she contributed.
Sadly...LMFAO!!
This is so true. :(
Hopefully she won't be able to carve that shit any where in Washington! Keep her in Alaska so she can see Russia from her house.
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I think she did pretty good. I don't think the expectations for either candidate where extremely high. They basically just had to go into the debate and not loose it for their tickets. She definitely performed a lot better last night than she did in her interviews with Gibson and Couric. She dodged a few questions, but so did Biden, that she probably couldn't answer without sounding bad. Biden definitely did far better when it came to foreign policy, that is his strong suit, but he didn't mop the floor. All in all they both did better than expected. Neither performance won over large masses of independent voters but I don't believe that that was their aim.
On a side note, as a neutral observer, the one area that really stuck out to me was the question on a VP's role. I was a little unsettled by Palin's insinuation that a VP's role is not strictly regulated to the Executive branch. It is clearly stated, in my opinion, in the Constitution that a VP duties lay firmly in the Executive Branch and not in some limbo realm in between the Legislative and Executive. Her answer came off a bit to Dick Cheney for my liking. As for Biden I was a disappointed that when his disagreements and criticism of Obama in the past was sort of brushed aside by him. I would have preferred that he just stated that yes him and Senator Obama have disagreed in the past and will probably disagree in the future. Honesty would have been a better policy that just beating around the bush.
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She did great. So well that she suprised Biden, did you see him with his constant nervous chuckle. He was totally taken back by it.
Say what you will, she suprised everyone and did way batter then anyone thought she would have.
Biden came off as old school politics with nothing new to the table.
Palin came off as new but hard working and someone who is not gonna stand for the old school bullshit.
I thought she did fine. Perhaps a 3.5 rating.
But you totally misread Biden's laughter. He couldn't really put her in her place. He had to be very careful because he couldn't come across as a bully.
The smile that so often graced his lips was his disbelief that she wouldn't answer ANY of the questions, but instead went directly to script.
Sure he had a script, but his rolled with the question at hand, hers sluffed the question off.
If he could have let his emotions go he would have been laughing, shaking his head and proclaiming with the rest of America.
"Here she goes again, with her total disregard of the question".
It was like a 5 year old girl wrestling with an adult Uncle. The girl gets mad and starts to fight as hard as she can.
The girl is overmatched and really trying to hurt the Uncle. All he can do is laugh and try not to let her get hurt.
She did alright with layup questions regarding the economy and iraq, but where were the challenging questions like citing Supreme Court cases or even mentioning what magazines she reads.
One time, in debate camp ...
I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
Well, my prior expectations were about a one, and after her performance last night I'd say -3.
Sticking to talking points, that have no real substance is not a debate. If this were done like a highschool debate, where both sides got points based on the substance of their words, and an actual winner was declared she would have gotten none.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
2. Lowest expecatations ever. Tired of this PTA jargon. This women wants to increase the power of the vice president... ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I thought Biden was very solid. You could see why he was in the running to be President. He was smart to go after McCain and leave Palin alone. Didn't look like a bully. But Palin as President of the United States of America... yikes. Looking forward to SNL tomorrow.
She did great. So well that she suprised Biden, did you see him with his constant nervous chuckle. He was totally taken back by it.
Say what you will, she suprised everyone and did way batter then anyone thought she would have.
Biden came off as old school politics with nothing new to the table.
Palin came off as new but hard working and someone who is not gonna stand for the old school bullshit.
I don't think that was a nervous chuckle. I think he was laughing because he couldn't believe what she was saying and thought it was funny. If you watched closely, he laughed every time that she directly avoided answering a question, and I think his smile, was him being well aware and thinking to himself (and rightfully so) "wow, she's really not answering the question again. ridiculous."
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
She did great. So well that she suprised Biden, did you see him with his constant nervous chuckle. He was totally taken back by it.
Say what you will, she suprised everyone and did way batter then anyone thought she would have.
Biden came off as old school politics with nothing new to the table.
Palin came off as new but hard working and someone who is not gonna stand for the old school bullshit.
I think you are way off here. You are inserting your own biased opinion instead of trying to be as objective as possible. Both candidates performed better than expected. Neither did great, neither hit a home run for their team. They did what they where asked to do, not loose the election for their ticket. They played on their strengths and brushed aside questions they didn't want to answer. Biden tended to dive a little deeper into the issues while Palin stuck to talking points. That was expected because Biden does have much more experience then she does. Biden clearly had the upper hand when it came to foreign policy but Palin was able to stand her ground and not be made a fool of. People on both sides predicted that the opponent would screw up and guess what they where wrong. All in all it was a tie.
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I think she did pretty good. I don't think the expectations for either candidate where extremely high. They basically just had to go into the debate and not loose it for their tickets. She definitely performed a lot better last night than she did in her interviews with Gibson and Couric. She dodged a few questions, but so did Biden, that she probably couldn't answer without sounding bad. Biden definitely did far better when it came to foreign policy, that is his strong suit, but he didn't mop the floor. All in all they both did better than expected. Neither performance won over large masses of independent voters but I don't believe that that was their aim.
On a side note, as a neutral observer, the one area that really stuck out to me was the question on a VP's role. I was a little unsettled by Palin's insinuation that a VP's role is not strictly regulated to the Executive branch. It is clearly stated, in my opinion, in the Constitution that a VP duties lay firmly in the Executive Branch and not in some limbo realm in between the Legislative and Executive. Her answer came off a bit to Dick Cheney for my liking. As for Biden I was a disappointed that when his disagreements and criticism of Obama in the past was sort of brushed aside by him. I would have preferred that he just stated that yes him and Senator Obama have disagreed in the past and will probably disagree in the future. Honesty would have been a better policy that just beating around the bush.
I agree on your overall summation of both.
Sarah did much better than I expected. She didn't waver or waffle. Though, IMNSHO what did she really say?! She did a whole lot of defending herself. Beyond being able to speak coherently and looking good, she came off to me as a "programmed" cheerleader, cross b/w Ronald Regan & George Bush, with a little Dick Cheney thrown in. How many times did she get the "maverick" party line in?! And how many times has she quoted Ronald Regan over the past few weeks?! Any original thoughts Sarah?
I too was very unsettled by her insinuation that a VP's role is not strictly regulated to the Executive branch. I feel Biden set her straight on this. This especially nerves me as she was questioning "What does a VP do?" in the Gibson interview. She speaks of less government, though has no foundation what the government roles actually are.
Her "drill, drill, drill" push was too much. What a grave "lack" of understanding of the condition of our resources and future vision of possibilities.
Sure, she showed up, looked good and was able to form sentences without much waffle or waver. 5 points on that. Content 1, if even that.
Yeah, Biden carried his party line as well, no doubt. Though, the man had and has substance.
Sarah did much better than I expected. She didn't waver or waffle. Though, IMNSHO what did she really say?! She did a whole lot of defending herself. Beyond being able to speak coherently and looking good, she came off to me as a "programmed" cheerleader, cross b/w Ronald Regan & George Bush, with a little Dick Cheney thrown in. How many times did she get the "maverick" party line in?! And how many times has she quoted Ronald Regan over the past few weeks?! Any original thoughts Sarah?
I too was very unsettled by her insinuation that a VP's role is not strictly regulated to the Executive branch. I feel Biden set her straight on this. This especially nerves me as she was questioning "What does a VP do?" in the Gibson interview. She speaks of less government, though has no foundation what the government roles actually are.
Her "drill, drill, drill" push was too much. What a grave "lack" of understanding of the condition of our resources and future vision of possibilities.
Sure, she showed up, looked good and was able to form sentences without much waffle or waver. 5 points on that. Content 1, if even that.
Yeah, Biden carried his party line as well, no doubt. Though, the man had and has substance.
I agree that Biden came across with more substance, whether you agree with what he said or not. Palin stuck to simple talking points, but let's face it she is not going to be able to go toe to toe with someone like Biden. She had to stick with what she knows and does best. As I stated I don't think either performance is going to make a significant impact on this election. Neither performance is going to sway large amounts of undecided voters. I forgot her name, she is the political editor for US News, stated that this is a story until the House votes. After that no one will be talking about the Biden/Palin debate because it did not have a huge impact on the election.
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I agree that Biden came across with more substance, whether you agree with what he said or not. Palin stuck to simple talking points, but let's face it she is not going to be able to go toe to toe with someone like Biden. She had to stick with what she knows and does best. As I stated I don't think either performance is going to make a significant impact on this election. Neither performance is going to sway large amounts of undecided voters. I forgot her name, she is the political editor for US News, stated that this is a story until the House votes. After that no one will be talking about the Biden/Palin debate because it did not have a huge impact on the election.
Agree ... to an extent. Basically, I used your commentary as a jumping off point, sorry, should have noted that.
The VP debate will eventually fall by the wayside, though it gave a bit of perspective, a mere glimpse of who and what these VP's offer. This is a necessity as if anything happens to either Presidential Candidate once in office the VP is the next in command. Something to not take lightly. My 2 cents. : )
I keep hearing Palin had no substance but what most people are overlooking is she helped to expose some of Biden’s lies. No coal plants in America, Obama saying he would talk to meglomaniacs without preconditions, waving the white flag among others.
Actually I posted a thread with a link that fact checks some of those statements, the clean coal and Obama meeting with dictators, have been proven false. I'm not saying that Biden didn't stretch the truth because he did but if you are going to support Palin and least be aware that not all she said was not true.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Agree ... to an extent. Basically, I used your commentary as a jumping off point, sorry, should have noted that.
The VP debate will eventually fall by the wayside, though it gave a bit of perspective, a mere glimpse of who and what these VP's offer. This is a necessity as if anything happens to either Presidential Candidate once in office the VP is the next in command. Something to not take lightly. My 2 cents. : )
I agree that a VP candidate should not be taken lightly. I was just pointing out that for many people what was shown to us by each candidate was nothing new, nothing to really base a decision on.
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born on third indeed...
this is your last chance to say this is somekind of (cruel, deeply unfunny) comedy.
She never answered a question and she rambled and rambled...
I was watching the debate with my girlfriend...and palin gave one of incoherent, rambling answers...I said "what did she just say"....my girlfriend said "something about maps....".....
palin did a bit better than miss teen SC....
let me just add....biden kicked the crap out of mccain....and palin couldn't defend it....
I liked the "ya keep loookin' back" talking point that palin kept using....yet she went on to ramble about mccain's experience....I guess that's not loookin' back, don't ya know...
0 for substance...
it is really easy to be stylish when you do not answer any of the questions.
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Why can't Obama and Biden get on the ball and blow them away? They aren't being aggressive enough or emotionally connected enough to plow their opponents into the ground!!
I wish they'd work on the emotional presentations. They may have good ideas, but they're not demonstrating their strengths well enough!!!
It's so frustrating!!! :mad:
but eerily similar to most right wing campaigns - she offered a whole lot of nothing which really has to be the GOP strategy for them to win ... she wasn't able to defende any of the accusations biden laid at her nor was she interested ...
she is still in waaaaaaaaaaaay over her head - anyone objective can see that ...
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Who I thought of actually was a much smarter George W. Bush who is much better at speaking. The "white flag of surrender" stuff, that "they hate us for our freedoms", that kind of skin deep analysis was very Bush-like, but she was far more personable and effective in its delivery, which I suppose is a little scary. The false folksiness, the social conservative streak; I agree with those who would say that Palin reminds them more of the past eight years than McCain.
Just to remind everyone, the grading was based on you PRIOR expectations and whether they were met or not. I think some are grading on how she did overall.... that's not what this thread was supposed to be about.
Which is a way of slanting it so that Palin comes off as better than she, in reality, was. Of course, it was the disaster a lot were hoping for, but a large part of that was down to the format and Palin not being challenged on her responses. Note, I said responses and not answers, because she didn't actually offer up many of those. I don't give her credit for not falling on her face, we should be able to automatically expect and demand that from someone who could be VP. Fact is, she spewed out memorised sound-bytes and home-spun tales about Alaska that often pertained to nothing. She may as well have carved "Sarah Wuz Here" into the podium, because after the 90 minutes that's about all she contributed.
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Say what you will, she suprised everyone and did way batter then anyone thought she would have.
Biden came off as old school politics with nothing new to the table.
Palin came off as new but hard working and someone who is not gonna stand for the old school bullshit.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Enlighten me?
This is so true. :(
Hopefully she won't be able to carve that shit any where in Washington! Keep her in Alaska so she can see Russia from her house.
On a side note, as a neutral observer, the one area that really stuck out to me was the question on a VP's role. I was a little unsettled by Palin's insinuation that a VP's role is not strictly regulated to the Executive branch. It is clearly stated, in my opinion, in the Constitution that a VP duties lay firmly in the Executive Branch and not in some limbo realm in between the Legislative and Executive. Her answer came off a bit to Dick Cheney for my liking. As for Biden I was a disappointed that when his disagreements and criticism of Obama in the past was sort of brushed aside by him. I would have preferred that he just stated that yes him and Senator Obama have disagreed in the past and will probably disagree in the future. Honesty would have been a better policy that just beating around the bush.
I thought she did fine. Perhaps a 3.5 rating.
But you totally misread Biden's laughter. He couldn't really put her in her place. He had to be very careful because he couldn't come across as a bully.
The smile that so often graced his lips was his disbelief that she wouldn't answer ANY of the questions, but instead went directly to script.
Sure he had a script, but his rolled with the question at hand, hers sluffed the question off.
If he could have let his emotions go he would have been laughing, shaking his head and proclaiming with the rest of America.
"Here she goes again, with her total disregard of the question".
It was like a 5 year old girl wrestling with an adult Uncle. The girl gets mad and starts to fight as hard as she can.
The girl is overmatched and really trying to hurt the Uncle. All he can do is laugh and try not to let her get hurt.
lol.
One time, in debate camp ...
Sticking to talking points, that have no real substance is not a debate. If this were done like a highschool debate, where both sides got points based on the substance of their words, and an actual winner was declared she would have gotten none.
I don't think that was a nervous chuckle. I think he was laughing because he couldn't believe what she was saying and thought it was funny. If you watched closely, he laughed every time that she directly avoided answering a question, and I think his smile, was him being well aware and thinking to himself (and rightfully so) "wow, she's really not answering the question again. ridiculous."
I think you are way off here. You are inserting your own biased opinion instead of trying to be as objective as possible. Both candidates performed better than expected. Neither did great, neither hit a home run for their team. They did what they where asked to do, not loose the election for their ticket. They played on their strengths and brushed aside questions they didn't want to answer. Biden tended to dive a little deeper into the issues while Palin stuck to talking points. That was expected because Biden does have much more experience then she does. Biden clearly had the upper hand when it came to foreign policy but Palin was able to stand her ground and not be made a fool of. People on both sides predicted that the opponent would screw up and guess what they where wrong. All in all it was a tie.
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how many times did Palin say ALSO last night? I put the over under at 250.
I agree on your overall summation of both.
Sarah did much better than I expected. She didn't waver or waffle. Though, IMNSHO what did she really say?! She did a whole lot of defending herself. Beyond being able to speak coherently and looking good, she came off to me as a "programmed" cheerleader, cross b/w Ronald Regan & George Bush, with a little Dick Cheney thrown in. How many times did she get the "maverick" party line in?! And how many times has she quoted Ronald Regan over the past few weeks?! Any original thoughts Sarah?
I too was very unsettled by her insinuation that a VP's role is not strictly regulated to the Executive branch. I feel Biden set her straight on this. This especially nerves me as she was questioning "What does a VP do?" in the Gibson interview. She speaks of less government, though has no foundation what the government roles actually are.
Her "drill, drill, drill" push was too much. What a grave "lack" of understanding of the condition of our resources and future vision of possibilities.
Sure, she showed up, looked good and was able to form sentences without much waffle or waver. 5 points on that. Content 1, if even that.
Yeah, Biden carried his party line as well, no doubt. Though, the man had and has substance.
I agree that Biden came across with more substance, whether you agree with what he said or not. Palin stuck to simple talking points, but let's face it she is not going to be able to go toe to toe with someone like Biden. She had to stick with what she knows and does best. As I stated I don't think either performance is going to make a significant impact on this election. Neither performance is going to sway large amounts of undecided voters. I forgot her name, she is the political editor for US News, stated that this is a story until the House votes. After that no one will be talking about the Biden/Palin debate because it did not have a huge impact on the election.
Agree ... to an extent. Basically, I used your commentary as a jumping off point, sorry, should have noted that.
The VP debate will eventually fall by the wayside, though it gave a bit of perspective, a mere glimpse of who and what these VP's offer. This is a necessity as if anything happens to either Presidential Candidate once in office the VP is the next in command. Something to not take lightly. My 2 cents. : )
Actually I posted a thread with a link that fact checks some of those statements, the clean coal and Obama meeting with dictators, have been proven false. I'm not saying that Biden didn't stretch the truth because he did but if you are going to support Palin and least be aware that not all she said was not true.
I agree that a VP candidate should not be taken lightly. I was just pointing out that for many people what was shown to us by each candidate was nothing new, nothing to really base a decision on.