"Obama pals around with terrorists" - Sarah Palin

mammasan

digster wrote:

I don't mind that people have passionate feelings against against Obama; I understand entirely that many people may feel he's the direct wrong direction for this country. That's fine; let's talk about that. Let's talk economy. Let's talk Iraq. But just because someone's passionate like PEPPER is doesn't allow him/her or anybody else to ignore facts. The fact is that there is nothing reputable that could give Pepper the impression that Michelle Obama is a racist.

There's alot I disagree with in Pepper's most; for example, the Department of Energy, not liberal crazies, are the ones who have said the prices of gas will not be felt for thirty years. And we cannot drill our way into energy independence when we have an extremely limited supply. But let's have that argument, let's lay out those points. Issues like that aren't the point of Pepper's posts; "Michelle is a racist," "Barack Hussein Obama," the bizarre rant about Jimmy Carter and the Nobel Prize, Nancy Pelosi, I mean, who gives a shit? I ask why a McCain supporter is voting for him and I get that? False and half-truth accusations and character assassinations? I don't like it when any party or person does it, but I'm pretty sick, as I'm sure most are, at the pitiful excuse for political dialogue in this country. And most of my problems are illustrated nicely in Pepper's posts. I don't mean to call him or her out; both parties do it and many posters do it. But go back to the Michelle accusation; there's nothing to support that. At all. Why, then, would somebody believe it? Pepper, why do you believe that? It's baseless.

What's sadly ironic is that all that vile rhetoric, the Muslim stuff, Michelle is a racist, Rezko, etc...it's the same kind of political practices that brought down John McCain's incredible campaign in 2000. He's fallen so far it's hard to remember what a breath of fresh air he was then. Now it's 2008, and his supporters engage in it just the same.

I couldn't agree more, but this is what politics has become in this country. This ridiculous hyper-partisanship is destroying this country and we are the one's doing it. The politicians are going along, business as usually, while we fight over insignificant distractions. Anything to take the focus away from what a shit job they are doing and people like Pepper, and many liberals and Democrats on this board, fall for it. They eat that shit up. They sit there and talk about Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and witchdoctors. For fucks sake our stock market just took a fucking dive today, we just signed over $700 billion of our tax dollars with another $150 billion+ in pork and we are going to talk about Bill Ayers. It is crazy and much like you I'm tired of it. The decisions these voters make affects ME too and the fact that they are focusing on bullshit talking points instead of the issue is disdainful.

MattyJoe

mammasan wrote:

I couldn't agree more, but this is what politics has become in this country. This ridiculous hyper-partisanship is destroying this country and we are the one's doing it. The politicians are going along, business as usually, while we fight over insignificant distractions. Anything to take the focus away from what a shit job they are doing and people like Pepper, and many liberals and Democrats on this board, fall for it. They eat that shit up. They sit there and talk about Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, and witchdoctors. For fucks sake our stock market just took a fucking dive today, we just signed over $700 billion of our tax dollars with another $150 billion+ in pork and we are going to talk about Bill Ayers. It is crazy and much like you I'm tired of it. The decisions these voters make affects ME too and the fact that they are focusing on bullshit talking points instead of the issue is disdainful.

The problem I have is that your post is anti-McCain. Since you acknowledged that Obama wouldn't much different regarding spending, I think it's only fair that you include some criticism of his supporters. This is what turns people off from what you're saying because it's biased. As I've said (and I think you agree), the truth is that both parties suck.

mammasan

MattyJoe wrote:

The problem I have is that your post is anti-McCain. Since you acknowledged that Obama wouldn't much different regarding spending, I think it's only fair that you include some criticism of his supporters. This is what turns people off from what you're saying because it's biased. As I've said (and I think you agree), the truth is that both parties suck.

I did. I mentioned that stupid witch doctor story about Palin and I specifically said many liberals and Democrats do this. So I have no idea how you can say my post was anti McCain when I didn't even criticize any of the candidates themselves.

g under p

WASHINGTON -- By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.

And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret.

First, Palin's attack shows that her energetic debate with rival Joe Biden may be just the beginning, not the end, of a sharpened role in the battle to win the presidency.

Article from The Washington Post today, Analysis: Palin's words may backfire on McCain

Who knows how damaging Palin's words could be but we shall see. The debate is tomorrow and McCain has his favorite environment the town hall.

Peace

whidbey

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html

By Dana Milbank
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- "Okay, so Florida, you know that you're going to have to hang onto your hats," Sarah Palin told a rally of a few thousand here this morning, "because from now until Election Day it may get kind of rough."

You betcha. And the person dishing out the roughest stuff at the moment is Sarah Palin.

"I was reading my copy of the New York Times the other day," she said.

"Booooo!" replied the crowd.

"I knew you guys would react that way, okay," she continued. "So I was reading the New York Times and I was really interested to read about Barack's friends from Chicago."

It was time to revive the allegation, made over the weekend, that Obama "pals around" with terrorists, in this case Bill Ayers, late of the Weather Underground. Many independent observers say Palin's allegations are a stretch; Obama served on a Chicago charitable board with Ayers, now an education professor, and has condemned his past activities.

"Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.

"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Palin went on to say that "Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's living room, and they've worked together on various projects in Chicago." Here, Palin began to connect the dots. "These are the same guys who think that patriotism is paying higher taxes -- remember that's what Joe Biden had said. "And" -- she paused and sighed -- "I am just so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America, as the greatest force for good in the world. I'm afraid this is someone who sees America as 'imperfect enough' to work with a former domestic terrorist who had targeted his own country."

"Boooo!" said the audience.

g under p

whidbey wrote:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html

By Dana Milbank
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- "Okay, so Florida, you know that you're going to have to hang onto your hats," Sarah Palin told a rally of a few thousand here this morning, "because from now until Election Day it may get kind of rough."

You betcha. And the person dishing out the roughest stuff at the moment is Sarah Palin.

"I was reading my copy of the New York Times the other day," she said.

"Booooo!" replied the crowd.

"I knew you guys would react that way, okay," she continued. "So I was reading the New York Times and I was really interested to read about Barack's friends from Chicago."

It was time to revive the allegation, made over the weekend, that Obama "pals around" with terrorists, in this case Bill Ayers, late of the Weather Underground. Many independent observers say Palin's allegations are a stretch; Obama served on a Chicago charitable board with Ayers, now an education professor, and has condemned his past activities.

"Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.

"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Palin went on to say that "Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's living room, and they've worked together on various projects in Chicago." Here, Palin began to connect the dots. "These are the same guys who think that patriotism is paying higher taxes -- remember that's what Joe Biden had said. "And" -- she paused and sighed -- "I am just so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America, as the greatest force for good in the world. I'm afraid this is someone who sees America as 'imperfect enough' to work with a former domestic terrorist who had targeted his own country."

"Boooo!" said the audience.

Man this only the beginning it's going to get ugly. I guess that's why McCain wouldn't look at Obama in the first debate.

Peace

Vedderlution_Baby

whidbey wrote:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html

By Dana Milbank
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- "Okay, so Florida, you know that you're going to have to hang onto your hats," Sarah Palin told a rally of a few thousand here this morning, "because from now until Election Day it may get kind of rough."

You betcha. And the person dishing out the roughest stuff at the moment is Sarah Palin.

"I was reading my copy of the New York Times the other day," she said.

"Booooo!" replied the crowd.

"I knew you guys would react that way, okay," she continued. "So I was reading the New York Times and I was really interested to read about Barack's friends from Chicago."

It was time to revive the allegation, made over the weekend, that Obama "pals around" with terrorists, in this case Bill Ayers, late of the Weather Underground. Many independent observers say Palin's allegations are a stretch; Obama served on a Chicago charitable board with Ayers, now an education professor, and has condemned his past activities.

"Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.

"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Palin went on to say that "Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's living room, and they've worked together on various projects in Chicago." Here, Palin began to connect the dots. "These are the same guys who think that patriotism is paying higher taxes -- remember that's what Joe Biden had said. "And" -- she paused and sighed -- "I am just so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America, as the greatest force for good in the world. I'm afraid this is someone who sees America as 'imperfect enough' to work with a former domestic terrorist who had targeted his own country."

"Boooo!" said the audience.

If they're at a Palin rally, they already don't like Obama anyway and have made up their minds. Fuck em.

I can't tell why I want Obama to win anymore. Because I think he's the better candidate out of the two, because I fucking hate Mccain, or because if he does I won't have to look at fucking that cancer of a woman Palin anymore. She can head back to alaska and plan the god damn secession in private and leave us fucking alone.

JaneNY

whidbey wrote:

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Wow. Someone in an audience she is stirring up, who yells out advocating murder? I think she should have addressed that comment.

Anon

whidbey wrote:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html

By Dana Milbank
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- "Okay, so Florida, you know that you're going to have to hang onto your hats," Sarah Palin told a rally of a few thousand here this morning, "because from now until Election Day it may get kind of rough."

You betcha. And the person dishing out the roughest stuff at the moment is Sarah Palin.

"I was reading my copy of the New York Times the other day," she said.

"Booooo!" replied the crowd.

"I knew you guys would react that way, okay," she continued. "So I was reading the New York Times and I was really interested to read about Barack's friends from Chicago."

It was time to revive the allegation, made over the weekend, that Obama "pals around" with terrorists, in this case Bill Ayers, late of the Weather Underground. Many independent observers say Palin's allegations are a stretch; Obama served on a Chicago charitable board with Ayers, now an education professor, and has condemned his past activities.

"Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.

"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Palin went on to say that "Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's living room, and they've worked together on various projects in Chicago." Here, Palin began to connect the dots. "These are the same guys who think that patriotism is paying higher taxes -- remember that's what Joe Biden had said. "And" -- she paused and sighed -- "I am just so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America, as the greatest force for good in the world. I'm afraid this is someone who sees America as 'imperfect enough' to work with a former domestic terrorist who had targeted his own country."

"Boooo!" said the audience.

How cute. Only a week after the Katie Couric interview, and finally Palin can name a newspaper.

The more Palin speaks, the better she helps the Democratic ticket. She is a real piece of nasty work. i think we've just found something that Palin is actually good at. Hate-mongering.

polaris

good grief ... it's like everyone who votes for the GOP are given a standard play book and they follow it ... the shit you guys source is unbelievable?? ... is there an independant thought amongst y'all!?? ...

drilling for independence!?? ... that has gotta be the most absurd solution there is out there ... applying the kevin bacon rule to obama and anyone that is remotely out of touch is like everyone's main reason not to vote for the guy ...

Drew263

interesting..

Ayers's wife and closest collaborator was Bernardine Dohrn, whose views were so extreme that they seemed to cross a line from ultra-leftism to Satanism.

At a meeting of the Weather Underground, she hailed the murders then recently committed by Charles Manson's demented followers. "Dig it, first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach!" she exulted, giving a three-fingered salute to signify a fork.


Obama had his first campaign kicked off at this "lady's" house. And many of you called us sheep for following the moron that is W.

polaris

Drew263 wrote:

interesting..

Ayers's wife and closest collaborator was Bernardine Dohrn, whose views were so extreme that they seemed to cross a line from ultra-leftism to Satanism.

At a meeting of the Weather Underground, she hailed the murders then recently committed by Charles Manson's demented followers. "Dig it, first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach!" she exulted, giving a three-fingered salute to signify a fork.


Obama had his first campaign kicked off at this "lady's" house. And many of you called us sheep for following the moron that is W.

ok ... say the absolute worst thing you can think of associated with this relationship ... what do you actually foresee barack obama doing because he is soooo close with these two?

now - compare that with someone who has dinners and fundraisers put on by ceos of companies that build cluster bombs and patriot missles that don't work ... we already know what that resulted in: a stupid war that has resulted in the unnecessary death of hundreds of thousands of people ...

so ... give it your best ...

digster

Drew263 wrote:

interesting..

Ayers's wife and closest collaborator was Bernardine Dohrn, whose views were so extreme that they seemed to cross a line from ultra-leftism to Satanism.

At a meeting of the Weather Underground, she hailed the murders then recently committed by Charles Manson's demented followers. "Dig it, first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach!" she exulted, giving a three-fingered salute to signify a fork.


Obama had his first campaign kicked off at this "lady's" house. And many of you called us sheep for following the moron that is W.

OK, there seems to be this strange assumption that if you defend Obama in this regard and on this issue, than that is automatically a defense of Ayers or Dohrn. So let's make this clear; I have no love for Ayers or Dorhn. They killed innocent people, and no matter how criminal the actions of the U.S. government during that time period, their actions and speech are something I refuse to stand behind. Now, you bring up W. and this is the crux of the argument. I judge the character of W. the same way I judge the character of Obama and McCain, of Biden and Palin and anyone I know. I judge them by what they've said and what they've done, the great things they've achieved and the lessons they learned from their mistakes. What I do not judge them on are the words of the wife of an associate who sits on an education charitable board with them who they've had no contact with for years (words which were, by the way, uttered over forty years ago). I judge the candidates for themselves. I judge W. by the fact that he misled a nation to war, by the fact that he was extremely incompetent with aiding a major American city in a time of crisis, and has continually engaged in a government of deception. You judge Obama by something the wife of someone he knows said forty years ago. You may find them comparable, but I don't, and I don't think many other people would either.

blackredyellow

I love this tactic by the right/McCain camp... In Obama's 47 years, they pull out a handful of people who he has a very limited connection with, and portray it like he's some evil person.

I wasted an hour of my life the other night and watched Hannity's "History of Radicalism" Obama hit piece on Fox the other night. Now after airing that, how that network can still claim to be a "news" network is beyond me, but the show was a joke. They would spend 5 minutes talking about all of the evil things that someone has done, then spend 30 seconds "detailing" this person's relationship to Obama, which usually consisted of 10 seconds of a couple of meetings/dinners, a few campaign contributions, and 20 seconds of innuendo.

I guess people don't realize just how many people politicians even on the local level deal with every day. My uncle was a small town mayor, and between the civic boards, business/chamber meetings, constituent meetings, etc., he was busy 5 nights a week sometimes. And that's just a small town mayor. I can't imagine how many countless thousands of people a state or federal legislator deals with, and they pick out five or six and show that as "evidence" of the people he surrounds himself with?

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

If they're at a Palin rally, they already don't like Obama anyway and have made up their minds. Fuck em.

My thinking too... For McCain to win, he was to grab some independent voters, and this tactic will definitely not do it.

If he went negative and brought this stuff up earlier, it might make sense to go back to it now, because it might still be in the back of some people's mind. But to do it now just make him come off as desperate.

mammasan

Drew263 wrote:

interesting..

Ayers's wife and closest collaborator was Bernardine Dohrn, whose views were so extreme that they seemed to cross a line from ultra-leftism to Satanism.

At a meeting of the Weather Underground, she hailed the murders then recently committed by Charles Manson's demented followers. "Dig it, first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach!" she exulted, giving a three-fingered salute to signify a fork.


Obama had his first campaign kicked off at this "lady's" house. And many of you called us sheep for following the moron that is W.

I am certainly not defending Ayers or his wife, nor am I defending Obama's association with them. What I am pointing out is that the Republican's and their supporters should be the last people to talk about associating with unsavory characters. While several people on this board, PEPPER Harmony and acoustic guy to name a few, have criticized the Obama campaign for this and cheered the McCain campaign and the Republicans they either are unaware or ignore the fact that Republicans have aligned themselves with known terrorists. Three Republican politicians in South Florida, all three serve in the House, who have been staunch McCain supporters have ties to Latin American terrorists and have openly supported MEK which is an Iranian terrorist organization listed on our very own State Department's list of terrorist organizations. So if they are going to insist that Bill Ayers is an issue for Obama and the Democrats then the relationship between McCain, these Congressmen and woman and these terrorist individuals should also be brought to light.

It is this type of hyper-partisanship, practiced by both parties and their supporters, that is rotting away this country.

g under p

I'll say this much if McCain DOES NOT look at Obama in the eye tonight he's sending a clear signal to those who may want to continue their hate towards Obama.

Something is TOTALLY wrong with this, as if he's the plague.

Peace

inmytree

Drew263 wrote:

interesting..

Ayers's wife and closest collaborator was Bernardine Dohrn, whose views were so extreme that they seemed to cross a line from ultra-leftism to Satanism.

At a meeting of the Weather Underground, she hailed the murders then recently committed by Charles Manson's demented followers. "Dig it, first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach!" she exulted, giving a three-fingered salute to signify a fork.


Obama had his first campaign kicked off at this "lady's" house. And many of you called us sheep for following the moron that is W.

damn, I may have to reconsider my vote based on this 39 year old quote....

I've got a 8 year old quote for you: “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.”

gosh, I wonder who said it...

any guesses...?