This race crap is absurd

Milestone

sourdough wrote:

It is very strange to me that in black people are drastically under represented in coaching and management despite their strong presence as athletes in the sport.

Any ideas as to why?

Yeah. But you'd probably call me a racist if I told you. (even though i'm not).

surferdude

Milestone wrote:

Yeah. But you'd probably call me a racist if I told you. (even though i'm not).

I find it strange that he doesn't ask the question about why white people are drastically under represented on the field and basketball court despite their strong presence in coaching, management and ownership.

Milestone

surferdude wrote:

I find it strange that he doesn't ask the question about why white people are drastically under represented on the field and basketball court despite their strong presence in coaching, management and ownership.

Great point!

I think a bigger deal should have been made out of the fact that Steve Nash was the first white MVP in over 20 years in the NBA. But the media let that one slip by.

Milhouse VanHouten

Milestone wrote:

Great point!

I think a bigger deal should have been made out of the fact that Steve Nash was the first white MVP in over 20 years in the NBA. But the media let that one slip by.

It's not even close to being the same thing. The point being made about Dungy and Smith is about OPPORTUNITY. The NFL didn't have a modern era black head coach until 1990. White guys have been part of the NBA longer than black guys, and they won their fair share of MVP awards for a long time.

Milestone

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

White guys have been part of the NBA longer than black guys, and they won their fair share of MVP awards for a long time.

Know your facts.

Only 6 white guys have won the MVP in the 50 years it's been awarded.

That's pretty damned lop-sided, dude.

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_mvp.html

blackredyellow

Every NFL Team Looking For Black Head Coach Now
The Brushback Report


CHICAGO-- While the recent success of Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith has put to rest the notion that black coaches can’t win the big game, the failure of Bill Belichick, Sean Peyton, Brian Billick, and Marty Schottenheimer has prompted serious questions about the big-game capability of white coaches. That’s why every NFL owner, in the rush to duplicate the success of the Bears and Colts, is looking for a black head coach to lead them to the promised land.

“The era of the white head coach is over,” said one AFC owner, who asked not to be identified. “Black head coaches are where it’s at. Everybody wants one. Last year, everybody wanted a blue collar white coach with a mustache and big chin. The year before that, everybody wanted a stoic, brainy white guy in his 50’s. This year? A humble, soft-spoken, African-American players’ coach. Nothing else will do. Do you know any that are available? Because when I look at my white coach right now, one word pops into my mind: obsolete.”

For years, African-American coaching candidates were forced to take a backseat to their white counterparts, who more closely resembled the coaching archetype established by noted whites Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs, and Bill Parcells. Now that archetype has undergone a facelift and owners are turning towards the more trustworthy, intelligent, and hard working black coaches.

“This is a copycat league,” said Steelers owner Dan Rooney, who recently hired Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin, and African-American, as his head coach. “And if this season has taught us anything, it’s that black guys are much more qualified to be NFL head coaches than white guys. Hey, the proof is in the numbers. Look at Parcells, Joe Gibbs, Cowher, Schottenheimer, and Bill Belichick: Loser, loser, loser, loser, loser. On the contrary, there were only six black coaches in the league this year, and two are in the Super Bowl. See what I mean? In the world of NFL head coaches, black is definitely the new white.”

With the retirement of Bill Parcells in Dallas, there is currently one head coaching vacancy in the NFL. While Cowboys owner Jerry Jones traditionally hires older white men to lead his team, the recent “black trend” may force him to change his mind – if he wants to win the big game.

“Under normal circumstances, I would replace Bill with another gray-haired white man with an ornery personality,” Jones told the Fort Worth Star Telegram yesterday. “However, it’s clear to me now that I need a Lovie Smith or a Tony Dungy-type. In fact, after the Super Bowl I’m going to make a run at one of those guys. Who cares if they’re under contract? Herm Edwards was under contract with the Jets last year and he got out of it. Now he’s got his dream job and the Jets are stuck with Whitey McWhite, Eric Mangini, who – surprise! – chocked in a playoff game this year. Looks like the stereotypes are true. ”

No one is more proud of the African-American coaching boom than Dungy and Smith, two close friends who have earned their stature through years of hard work and determination. However, both coaches warned of the dangers of stereotyping candidates based on skin color.

“As a black head coach, I understand how frustrating it can be for someone to judge me based on my appearance,” said Smith, who has a career 29-19 record with the Bears. “While I am proud and hopeful about the future of black coaches in this league, I’m also concerned that people are missing the lesson here, which is not that black coaches are more capable, but that skin color is meaningless. Everybody should be evaluated based on their qualifications. God I sound like a public service announcement. I can’t believe I’m the new archetype for NFL head coaches. I’m such a nerd.”

Dungy also envisions a day when owners are colorblind, and coaches, both black and white, will be judged solely on merit.

“I think this is the beginning of a new trend where black coaches, white coaches, Asian coaches, and miscellaneous coaches are judged for who they are rather than their ethnicity,” said Dungy. “I have a dream. I have a dream that all the black coaches and white coaches will line up together, hold hands and sing songs about rainbows and butterflies, and then go skipping off into the sunset. I have that dream every night, actually. That's why my shrink says I should stop eating before I go to bed.”

http://www.thebrushback.com/blackcoach_full.htm

cornnifer

To me, i guess i kind of see it like the Tuskeegee Airmen experiment. You know, the one that was set up to prove the hypothesis that Blacks were incapable of being fighter pilots. They were supposed, and expected, to fail miserably. On the contrary they were rather successful. Oops. I kind of see this the same way. Its a huge "fuck you" to everyone who ever thought that a Black's role was strictly on the field and that Blacks would not be successful coaches. I say again "Bravo".

suns rival

sorry to say this, it's because whites think that they are the most superior race.

chopitdown

suns rival wrote:

sorry to say this, it's because whites think that they are the most superior race.

yes, that's the reason :rolleyes:

enharmonic

Can't it simply be that the NFL wants to acknowledge the accomplishments of two bright, motivated, successful African Americans? Think about what's been happening in the league for the last couple of years. Africn american athletes are acting the fool...drugs, murder raps, getting murdered...that kind of thing is bad for the sport.

Would you prefer the public perception that the NFL is just dressed up jail ball, or would you rather show that yo don't have to be an athlete to be a champion? That's what the NFL has done by promoting the Superbowl the way it has. Don't think for a second that the gravity of it is lost on them...or that it's not on the minds of every minority in this country. It gives people hope that they too might be able to accomplish something more than being associated with outdated stereotypes...or even the "gangsta" culture that is glorified in movies and music.

Lets turn it around and look at it another way...rather than "Why are they making it an issue", how about "How could it have taken so long?"

40+ years since the civil rights movement really took hold...and we're just finally getting to a place where this is possible? That is the real indictment.

callen

Cosmo wrote:

Anytime a FIRST occurs... it'll make the news. How much people blow it out of proportion is up to the people.
I will venture to guess that it'll be news when the first Japanese pitcher wins the Cy Young award... or the first woman wins the Indy 500... it's a newsworthy event if it is the first time it happens in the history of the sport.
I don't know why people get bent out of shape because of it... people are proud of their heritage... the Irish... the Italians... what's the big deal?
Just because they happen to be black... why is that any different.
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Bottom line... it is a First. Just like they made a big deal out of Tiger Woods winning the Masters. I don't see a problem here.

racists.....we all are to a certain extent. I think its great that it was mentioned....for many reasons...one of those is cause it upsets so many white boys... (-:

thankyougrandma

miller8966 wrote:

I was watching the end of the football game last night, and the first thing they bring up, is the fact that for the first time in history we now have 2 black coaches going to the superbowl.

Who the fuck cares?

Why does this have to be the first thing brought up after indy won...even tony dungy was caught off guard by this. its the year 2007, this really isnt a big deal.

This isnt a milestone like jackie robinson in baseball or anything...people will do anything to get race into the news.

Well since they're the first it's important, then the 3rd, 4th etc. won't matter much, i don't know why it bother you...

callen

enharmonic wrote:

Can't it simply be that the NFL wants to acknowledge the accomplishments of two bright, motivated, successful African Americans? Think about what's been happening in the league for the last couple of years. Africn american athletes are acting the fool...drugs, murder raps, getting murdered...that kind of thing is bad for the sport.

Would you prefer the public perception that the NFL is just dressed up jail ball, or would you rather show that yo don't have to be an athlete to be a champion? That's what the NFL has done by promoting the Superbowl the way it has. Don't think for a second that the gravity of it is lost on them...or that it's not on the minds of every minority in this country. It gives people hope that they too might be able to accomplish something more than being associated with outdated stereotypes...or even the "gangsta" culture that is glorified in movies and music.

Lets turn it around and look at it another way...rather than "Why are they making it an issue", how about "How could it have taken so long?"

40+ years since the civil rights movement really took hold...and we're just finally getting to a place where this is possible? That is the real indictment.

really good. thanks

miller8966

enharmonic wrote:

Lets turn it around and look at it another way...rather than "Why are they making it an issue", how about "How could it have taken so long?"

40+ years since the civil rights movement really took hold...and we're just finally getting to a place where this is possible? That is the real indictment.

I disagree. I can see the support of the first black coach in the national football league; thats a huge milestone and one that should be celebrated.

But making the superbowl has just as much to do with the coach as the team, so why make it center stage?

Cosmo

miller8966 wrote:

I disagree. I can see the support of the first black coach in the national football league; thats a huge milestone and one that should be celebrated.

But making the superbowl has just as much to do with the coach as the team, so why make it center stage?

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It's not center stage... it is a footnote. It's PEOPLE who are making a big deal out of it.
Center Stage is Payton Manning and the stigma of being a great player who never won 'The Big Game'... and the extent of his thumb on his throwing hand.
The ethnicity of the coaches is Center Stage on Rush Limbaugh's show. Who gives a fuck what that fat ass has to say about football?

trappedinmyradio

Cosmo wrote:

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It's not center stage... it is a footnote. It's PEOPLE who are making a big deal out of it.
Center Stage is Payton Manning and the stigma of being a great player who never won 'The Big Game'... and the extent of his thumb on his throwing hand.
The ethnicity of the coaches is Center Stage on Rush Limbaugh's show. Who gives a fuck what that fat ass has to say about football?

exactly...this is a guy who tried to discredit donovan mcnabb's talent. what a joke of a man.

miller8966

Cosmo wrote:

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It's not center stage... it is a footnote. It's PEOPLE who are making a big deal out of it.
Center Stage is Payton Manning and the stigma of being a great player who never won 'The Big Game'... and the extent of his thumb on his throwing hand.
The ethnicity of the coaches is Center Stage on Rush Limbaugh's show. Who gives a fuck what that fat ass has to say about football?

It wasnt on rush that i first heard about this

Cosmo

miller8966 wrote:

It wasnt on rush that i first heard about this

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It was brought up by a sports writer to Tony Dungy in the post game interview. It wasn't the first question asked... or the second... it came up as sports writers clammered for answers to whatever question popped into their heads.
The local newscasts I saw (in Los Angeles) went over the highlights of both games and the match-up and noted the precedence of the two black coaches towards the end of their segments before going into golf results... some sports broadcasters even made it the last word before turning it over to the large breasted weather gal.
It was hardly the lead story... therefore, not center stage.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

arguing on the internet in some lame kiddie message group is so utterly retarded...

life wasted...

South of Seattle

mammasan wrote:

I am on my knees everyday praying that they draft Jeff Samardzija.

As long as your a Cubs fan, then things should be OK.