This race crap is absurd

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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    I believe it's news worthy, in the sporting world, simply because it is a first. Blacks have not been given the opportunity, in the history of the NFL, to coach teams. The first black coach was in 1921, Fitz Pollard. It wasn't until the Raiders hired Art Shell in 1989 that a black person was in that position again. Since then we have had only a few black head coaches, Herm Edwards, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Art Shell (2nd time hired), Dennis Green, Romeo Crennel, and Marvin Lewis. 8 black head coaches in the leagues 80+ year history is a sad number.


    Sad number????

    They said last night that there are more black coaches in the NFL than the college ranks. How many more teams are there in college?
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  • baraka
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    mammasan wrote:
    I believe it's news worthy, in the sporting world, simply because it is a first. Blacks have not been given the opportunity, in the history of the NFL, to coach teams. The first black coach was in 1921, Fitz Pollard. It wasn't until the Raiders hired Art Shell in 1989 that a black person was in that position again. Since then we have had only a few black head coaches, Herm Edwards, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Art Shell (2nd time hired), Dennis Green, Romeo Crennel, and Marvin Lewis. 8 black head coaches in the leagues 80+ year history is a sad number.


    I agree with this. Bottom line, it is a first, so it will be mentioned and it is news worthy. I'm excited for both coaches and their teams. I really like Tony Dungy, he's a class act.........Go Colts!!!!!!! BTW, I love football!!!
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  • Pacomc79
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    mammasan wrote:
    I believe it's news worthy, in the sporting world, simply because it is a first. Blacks have not been given the opportunity, in the history of the NFL, to coach teams. The first black coach was in 1921, Fitz Pollard. It wasn't until the Raiders hired Art Shell in 1989 that a black person was in that position again. Since then we have had only a few black head coaches, Herm Edwards, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Art Shell (2nd time hired), Dennis Green, Romeo Crennel, and Marvin Lewis. 8 black head coaches in the leagues 80+ year history is a sad number.


    Precisely. It's worthy of merit as a first. Once we get past this moment, it's simply because they are great coaches. These two guys are two of the best coaches in the NFL and it's about time TD got some recognition of that. How many teams have copied the "Tampa 2" since he left? Lovie Smith has been running a clinic for 3 years ever since the Falcons screwed up and hired Jim Mora Jr over Smith. He has had a plan and it's been expertly executed. Amazing how a team can win 14 games and be so underappreciated nationally.
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  • twisztad
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    I am not an American football, I don't even like the sport, but it is important to mention that the coaches are black.

    IF you are black you would understand, if you are white you wouldn't. Check the news and see how the portray the black. Then you'll understand.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Sad number????

    They said last night that there are more black coaches in the NFL than the college ranks. How many more teams are there in college?

    There are 32 NFL teams and there are 121 NCAA Division 1 football teams.
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  • mammasan
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    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Precisely. It's worthy of merit as a first. Once we get past this moment, it's simply because they are great coaches. These two guys are two of the best coaches in the NFL and it's about time TD got some recognition of that. How many teams have copied the "Tampa 2" since he left? Lovie Smith has been running a clinic for 3 years ever since the Falcons screwed up and hired Jim Mora Jr over Smith. He has had a plan and it's been expertly executed. Amazing how a team can win 14 games and be so underappreciated nationally.

    Not to stray off the threads target but the reason the Bears are underappreciated is simply because their is no flash to their offense, which is wrong because they do deserve respect for being one of the two best teams in the league. They don't have a superstar QB who can light up your defense. Trust me if the Bears had even a QB of say Chad Pennington's caliber they would be getting a lot more respect.
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  • know1
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    twisztad wrote:
    IF you are black you would understand, if you are white you wouldn't. Check the news and see how the portray the black. Then you'll understand.


    Ahh...that's quite a stereotype there. Apparently all "black" people have the same experiences and attitudes, while all "white" people are incapable of understanding or sympathizing.
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  • miller8966
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    mammasan wrote:
    Not to stray off the threads target but the reason the Bears are underappreciated is simply because their is no flash to their offense, which is wrong because they do deserve respect for being one of the two best teams in the league. They don't have a superstar QB who can light up your defense. Trust me if the Bears had even a QB of say Chad Pennington's caliber they would be getting a lot more respect.

    Their defense did well last week but is still anywhere near how good it was in the beginning of the season.

    Their D cant touch the Ravens defense.

    Also they play shit teams...hence why they did so well.
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  • mammasan
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    miller8966 wrote:
    Their defense did well last week but is still anywhere near how good it was in the beginning of the season.

    Their D cant touch the Ravens defense.

    Also they play shit teams...hence why they did so well.

    Well they will have a tough go at the Colt Offense considering that they will be missing their two best defensive linemen. I really don't care who wins I just want an exciting game and not some one-sided blow out that's over before my beer is even warm.
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  • Pacomc79
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    mammasan wrote:
    Not to stray off the threads target but the reason the Bears are underappreciated is simply because their is no flash to their offense, which is wrong because they do deserve respect for being one of the two best teams in the league. They don't have a superstar QB who can light up your defense. Trust me if the Bears had even a QB of say Chad Pennington's caliber they would be getting a lot more respect.

    I know this... I was being nice. They are easily the most boring team in the playoffs this season. Grossman is the worst QB ever to have a team in the superbowl that says to me even more about the supporting cast and the coach. Lovie stuck with him because Griese couldn't give him any more of an upside. The media always puts way too much credit into the QB because it's the sexiest position. The bears made it to the playoffs with even worse last year. Grossman at least throws a nice deep ball. I've disliked him since he was at Florida. Their OL is outstanding and Thomas Jones still dosen't get enough credit, not to mention Bernard Berrian. Grossman is horrible but adequate enough for the rest of that team to win.

    Did you see how close Urlacher was to Bush.....that's just unreal. Urlacher is so good it's almost unfair.
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  • mammasan
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    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I know this... I was being nice. They are easily the most boring team in the playoffs this season. Grossman is the worst QB ever to have a team in the superbowl that says to me even more about the supporting cast and the coach. Lovie stuck with him because Griese couldn't give him any more of an upside. The media always puts way too much credit into the QB because it's the sexiest position. The bears made it to the playoffs with even worse last year. Grossman at least throws a nice deep ball. I've disliked him since he was at Florida. Their OL is outstanding and Thomas Jones still dosen't get enough credit, not to mention Bernard Berrian. Grossman is horrible but adequate enough for the rest of that team to win.

    Did you see how close Urlacher was to Bush.....that's just unreal. Urlacher is so good it's almost unfair.

    I didn't catch the game on Sunday but Urlacher is simply amazing.
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  • NMyTree
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    mammasan wrote:
    Not to stray off the threads target but the reason the Bears are underappreciated is simply because their is no flash to their offense, which is wrong because they do deserve respect for being one of the two best teams in the league. They don't have a superstar QB who can light up your defense. Trust me if the Bears had even a QB of say Chad Pennington's caliber they would be getting a lot more respect.

    I'm a Jets fan and you're giving Pennington way too much credit.

    Grossman is a better Quarterback than Chad.
  • chopitdown
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    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Did you see how close Urlacher was to Bush.....that's just unreal. Urlacher is so good it's almost unfair.

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  • mammasan
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    NMyTree wrote:
    I'm a Jets fan and you're giving Pennington way too much credit.

    Grossman is a better Quarterback than Chad.

    On Chad's worse day he is still better than Grossman. Pennington may not have Grossman's arm strength, but he makes up for it in accuracy. The problem with Chad is not Chad it's the Jet's running game and their lack of a big possession receiver. I am on my knees everyday praying that they draft Jeff Samardzija. He is the type of receiver they need.
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  • chopitdown
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    mammasan wrote:
    On Chad's worse day he is still better than Grossman. Pennington may not have Grossman's arm strength, but he makes up for it in accuracy. The problem with Chad is not Chad it's the Jet's running game and their lack of a big possession receiver. I am on my knees everyday praying that they draft Jeff Samardzija. He is the type of receiver they need.

    i don't know...i'll take grossman's best day right up there with anyone's best day. However, I don't like the ulcer the man is giving me on his worst days.
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  • NMyTree
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    mammasan wrote:
    On Chad's worse day he is still better than Grossman. Pennington may not have Grossman's arm strength, but he makes up for it in accuracy. The problem with Chad is not Chad it's the Jet's running game and their lack of a big possession receiver. I am on my knees everyday praying that they draft Jeff Samardzija. He is the type of receiver they need.


    Pennington's problem is that he has way too many mental-farts during big games. I agree with the weaknesses you have decribed, but Chad has a pattern and history of coughing the ball up and throwing mindless, irresponsible and downright stupid interceptions. That's a problem between his ears, not with the team itself. He's a smart guy and he should be better than that.

    I think it's time for the Jets to find themselves a better starter at the QB spot and designate Chad to backup. I no longer feel comfortable or confident with him as QB in the Playoffs or in a big pressure spot. And that's his track record speaking to me.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    NMyTree wrote:
    I think it's time for the Jets to find themselves a better starter at the QB spot and designate Chad to backup. I no longer feel comfortable or confident with him as QB in the Playoffs or in a big pressure spot. And that's his track record speaking to me.

    I do agree with you on this. The Jets have to start looking to the future. I think Chad is a good QB, but he is not the one to lead us to the promised land. You have a couple of really good QBs in the draft this year. I think it's time to pull the trigger on a trade and get a good spot to draft one of then. Have them sit for a year or two to really let the system sink in. In that time you can sure up the backfield, improve on the defense, and then make a run for it.
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  • josevolution
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    let me writte one word that can give people a clue as to why MEDIA they need any story lines they can grab onto to get by these 2 weeks and besides it is the first superbowl with 2 black coaches so it is a story .....
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  • surferdude
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    sourdough wrote:
    It is very strange to me that in black people are drastically under represented in coaching and management despite their strong presence as athletes in the sport.

    Any ideas as to why?
    Do you find it equally strange that white's and latino's are so under represented in basketball and football? Now if all people are equal there must be a lot of discrimination going on keeping white's and latino's out of the NBA.

    Or, is it just possible that just as there are some physical differences between the races that there may also be some mental differences. Not making one race better then the other, just different. And that some of these differences may make one race better suited for coaching.

    Why are we so quick to accept physical differences between races, but then automatically rule out mental differneces?
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  • NMyTree
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    surferdude wrote:
    Do you find it equally strange that white's and latino's are so under represented in basketball and football? Now if all people are equal there must be a lot of discrimination going on keeping white's and latino's out of the NBA.

    Or, is it just possible that just as there are some physical differences between the races that there may also be some mental differences. Not making one race better then the other, just different. And that some of these differences may make one race better suited for coaching.

    Why are we so quick to accept physical differences between races, but then automatically rule out mental differneces?


    Careful, someone will incorrectly interpret your comments and question as being racist...lol.

    Of course, you are correct.

    There are both physical and mental/intellectual differences between all races.

    Of course some black people will celebrate their physical differences, if a particular physical difference indicates some superiority in any given physical aspect. But cry racism if it is suggested white people may have some intellectual advantage in any particular intellectual aspect.

    Then you have some white people who will beat their chests and celebrate what they perceive as some intellectual superiority over black people, then, scream rascism if it is suggested some black people have a physical superiority in a particular aspect, over whites.

    It's sad and funny, at the same time. Especially since when you think about it, this behavior actually shows how much we are similar, than different.

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