It always happens when some racist fucks try to blame white people for their pathetic lives. Grow the fuck up, take responsibility for yourself.
Whine, bitch and complain about your skin pigmentation all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are black/native or whatever and have to get a job and work like everyone else.
There are plenty of black/native/asian whatever people at my work that make a shit load of more money than I do. I don't blame them for my situation, that's just racist and ignorant.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It isn't 150 years ago, wake up and smell the present.
Based on your liberal opinion regarding advocacy of "Smokers rights" from a thread a few days ago (as I recall, you expect non-smokers to adjust for your smoking habit....please correct me if I am wrong), you sure change your tune when a group of whom you are not a member is asking for understanding and compromise!
Based on your liberal opinion regarding advocacy of "Smokers rights" from a thread a few days ago (as I recall, you expect non-smokers to adjust for your smoking habit....please correct me if I am wrong), you sure change your tune when a group of whom you are not a member is asking for understanding and compromise!
I wasn't asking non-smokers to adjust, it was the other way around.
Remember when you could smoke indoors in enclosed ventilated areas, now you can't, that is non-smokers forcing smokers to adjust.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I wasn't asking non-smokers to adjust, it was the other way around.
Remember when you could smoke indoors in enclosed ventilated areas, now you can't, that is non-smokers forcing smokers to adjust.
au contraire, mon frere....you wanted pity because you were "roped" into smoking at a young age, and since it is so dificult to quit, we should understand how tough it is for a smoker.
But, lets not debate smoking......someone was gracious enough to start this thread, so we should respect the topic.
au contraire, mon frere....you wanted pity because you were "roped" into smoking at a young age, and since it is so dificult to quit, we should understand how tough it is for a smoker.
But, lets not debate smoking......someone was gracious enough to start this thread, so we should respect the topic.
Is that what you thought?
Holy moly, you just don't get anything, do you?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I did nothing to black people, my ancestors did nothing to black people.
The same goes for 99% of the white folks out there. So get the fuck over it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Hell no!........nobody except for yopu seems to get anything!
Even in your constant cloud of cigarette smoke, you have attained clarity!
Maybe it's because I have an IQ of 152.
Or maybe it's just because I think.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Freshman Lisa McClelland gathered about 250 signatures from students and adults to start a club at Freedom High School in Oakley, Calif., that would focus attention on European heritage and history.
Maybe they just want to bake Quiche and Apfelstrudel, sing Swedish traditionals, dance Flamenco, watch Pan Tau (Czech TV show) and smuggle in some Guiness on St. Patrick's day. Why does everything always have to be about race?
You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
OH, you mean because some tribes have casinos and the tribe chief hordes all the money for himself? That's just human nature, not my fault.
Or.. because...?
It's widely believed that the Norse inhabited N. America before the Natives and Natives are descendant of some Asian civilization. Guess how the Natives got the land?
First, i very well know "non-stereotypical but typical" point of view on the natives and i think it's pretty lame and stupid.
Second, your history is wrong, just like the way you say that Quebec sign a contract to be part of Canada (and forget about the historic 7 years war), it's all inventions or i don't know how you call it, but talk facts, real one, not those you dream about.
Third, If ever there was Norse inhabitant here and if there was a group of Norseman having land and Power reclamation to first Nations, then yes First Nations would have to pay damages, but there's NONE, zero. If you want to talk facts, then talk about the fact that First nations groups ARE asking about land control (among other things), and are being refuse by our govt., even if historical facts prove them rights, and even if when comes in front of a court (international or local), they always win.
Fourth, you claim to be advocating equality, that's great. Equality does not mean a conquerer taking someone lands and history, then fabricating a piece of paper saying that the conquered are equal to the conquerer, that's the shame of America. Justice must be done to those who still live here and have request for reparation.
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
First, i very well know "non-stereotypical but typical" point of view on the natives and i think it's pretty lame and stupid.
Second, your history is wrong, just like the way you say that Quebec sign a contract to be part of Canada (and forget about the historic 7 years war), it's all inventions or i don't know how you call it, but talk facts, real one, not those you dream about.
Third, If ever there was Norse inhabitant here and if there was a group of Norseman having land and Power reclamation to first Nations, then yes First Nations would have to pay damages, but there's NONE, zero. If you want to talk facts, then talk about the fact that First nations groups ARE asking about land control (among other things), and are being refuse by our govt., even if historical facts prove them rights, and even if when comes in front of a court (international or local), they always win.
Fourth, you claim to be advocating equality, that's great. Equality does not mean a conquerer taking someone lands and history, then fabricating a piece of paper saying that the conquered are equal to the conquerer, that's the shame of America. Justice must be done to those who still live here and have request for reparation.
No that's bullshit. We are all decendants of Ethiopian Homo Sapien. We are all brothers.
What about archipilego? When all land was one, who owned it then?
You know it's all bullshit, but you are advocating for them simply because your husband or whatever is black and that has influenced your train of thought.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
No that's bullshit. We are all decendants of Ethiopian Homo Sapien. We are all brothers.
What about archipilego? When all land was one, who owned it then?
You know it's all bullshit, but you are advocating for them simply because your husband or whatever is black and that has influenced your train of thought.
Yes we are all sisters and brothers so the claim that there are different "races" is irrelevant. However, as Cornel West has famously noted "race matters". It matters when he, a famous Princeton professor can't get a cab in NYC because of the color of his skin. It matters when our inner city schools -packed with minorities b/c they have been historically forced into these areas- get no money b/c rich, white people don't think they should share their earnings. It matters when 30 percent of our 'black' population and 33 percent of our 'latino' population live in poverty despite having 2/3 of those families having at least one member working a full-time job (so much for your laziness bullshit). 'Race' matters when a black man is 10 times more likely to be incarcerated than a 'white' man due, in large part, to his skin color. It matters when we have never had a minority, or woman for that matter, lead our country as president. It matters when most companies are owned by white men. It matters when most sports franchises are owned by white men. It matters when most television shows, movie houses, and news organizations are owned and run by ... white men. In other words, nearly everything we see, work for, hear, and/or become involved in is controlled by White Men - usually for their benefit. How can you honestly argue what you are arguing and not see the obvious fallacies in your statements?
Yes we are all sisters and brothers so the claim that there are different "races" is irrelevant. However, as Cornel West has famously noted "race matters". It matters when he, a famous Princeton professor can't get a cab in NYC because of the color of his skin. It matters when our inner city schools -packed with minorities b/c they have been historically forced into these areas- get no money b/c rich, white people don't think they should share their earnings. It matters when 30 percent of our 'black' population and 33 percent of our 'latino' population live in poverty despite having 2/3 of those families having at least one member working a full-time job (so much for your laziness bullshit). 'Race' matters when a black man is 10 times more likely to be incarcerated than a 'white' man due, in large part, to his skin color. It matters when we have never had a minority, or woman for that matter, lead our country as president. It matters when most companies are owned by white men. It matters when most sports franchises are owned by white men. It matters when most television shows, movie houses, and news organizations are owned and run by ... white men. In other words, nearly everything we see, work for, hear, and/or become involved in is controlled by White Men - usually for their benefit. How can you honestly argue what you are arguing and not see the obvious fallacies in your statements?
Because it has nothing to do with me and I am a White Man. You are talking about select individuals in positions of authority. I'm saying it's not as if all white men are like that and that is the generalization.
The topic is about having racially exclusive clubs, and my point is that it should be no or all races that have that privledge.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
See it's more than just "80% of inmates in Texas prisons are black"
How about only 1% of inmates are atheists and 10% of the total population are atheists? Does that definitavely mean that religion causes violence? No.
Beyond that, we are being shit on just for being white, even if we are living in poverty with black people, we get shit on just for our skin colour.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It amazes me how these topics tend to reveal a palpable hate for everything white. Just because one chooses to aim their hatred at the majority doesn't make that hate acceptable.
It seems that because caucasian males, over time, established themselves as the dominant force around the globe through violence, chicanery and, in present times, effective diplomacy and a keen business sense, they have forfeited their rights to celebrate their accomplishments and contributions to societal advancements. This is ludicrous. History is history, whether it be the history of whites, blacks, browns..whatever race. These groups should have every right to gather as an exclusive entity to celebrate their ancestors' successes and disect failures to prevent future reoccurrences.
Trying to deduce an accepted "score" for atrocities is just plain stupid. The implication that black slaves working on southern plantations were more unjustly treated than white peasants living under Stalin's rule because the slaves were victims of "racial hatred" is ridiculous. The strong middle classes of Europe, North America, and Asia are a relatively new segment of the population when searching through the annals of history. Prior to modern times, the elites and blue bloods in ALL the continents, regardless of race, were really the only group of people who weren't seriously wronged in one way or another. Most of our distant ancestors have had to overcome tremendous odds to lead us to the lifestyles we enjoy today. There's a lot to learn from those groups, including the "caucasians" that this young girl wants to discuss with her peers.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
It amazes me how these topics tend to reveal a palpable hate for everything white. Just because one chooses to aim their hatred at the majority doesn't make that hate acceptable.
It seems that because caucasian males, over time, established themselves as the dominant force around the globe through violence, chicanery and, in present times, effective diplomacy and a keen business sense, they have forfeited their rights to celebrate their accomplishments and contributions to societal advancements. This is ludicrous. History is history, whether it be the history of whites, blacks, browns..whatever race. These groups should have every right to gather as an exclusive entity to celebrate their ancestors' successes and disect failures to prevent future reoccurrences.
Trying to deduce an accepted "score" for atrocities is just plain stupid. The implication that black slaves working on southern plantations were more unjustly treated than white peasants living under Stalin's rule because the slaves were victims of "racial hatred" is ridiculous. The strong middle classes of Europe, North America, and Asia are a relatively new segment of the population when searching through the annals of history. Prior to modern times, the elites and blue bloods in ALL the continents, regardless of race, were really the only group of people who weren't seriously wronged in one way or another. Most of our distant ancestors have had to overcome tremendous odds to lead us to the lifestyles we enjoy today. There's a lot to learn from those groups, including the "caucasians" that this young girl wants to discuss with her peers.
Hey I agree...the group is fine although it would be better defined as European-American or something other than "Caucasian" (same as black, hispanic-which again speaks to eurodominance, etc.) given that is a 'racial' definition that the human genome project has scientifically refuted. In essence we are living in a social world of race made up from some ridiculous typology created by Linnaeus in the late 1700s.
On that note, again, I agree that this group is fine. I think they should acknowledge, however, that most history classes taught in school are essentially European-American versions of heritage (from Columbus discovering America on through).
On the flipside, your claim to not have any privilege on the basis of your skin hue is ludicrous. That is not to say that in any given assembly of individuals an ethnic minority may have more relative privilege than a 'white' person (generally based as you have rightly pointed out in class-based privilege). Contrarily, what I am arguing is that, on the whole, the United States is a society that privileges "whiteness" in its myriad forms...it does so because those individuals who have the power to disseminate information are generally white. As such, we get a white view of how the world should be (Reaganite-individualism/puritan work ethic/etc.) not a diverse array of difference that this country purports to live in. Thus you do have some level of privilege that others in a similar socio-economic standing do not. For instance, when you walk in a room what do you suppose people assume about you? What color are band-aids? What color are ace bandages? Why does the color "white" connote peace? Why does the color "black" connote evil? I could go on and on with this, but basically if all other things are equal whiteness is a bit of privilege that you and I have over others.
To recognize this is not necessarily hating white people, or white heritage. Rather, I would argue, it is to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation for where your "self" is located in this society.
I keep forgetting that the United States is the pinacle of the world. :cool:
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
bragging about your iq on a message board is pretty lame. 1) i dont believe you, 2) iq is bullshit anyway, and 3) prove it with articulate posting, not a meaningless number.
bragging about your iq on a message board is pretty lame. 1) i dont believe you, 2) iq is bullshit anyway, and 3) prove it with articulate posting, not a meaningless number.
a high iq means you can process facts, but it doesn't mean you have any insight.
I keep forgetting that the United States is the pinacle of the world. :cool:
In what sense in the United States the pinnacle of the world? It's perennially the richest country for sure, but even with that it is also perennially the 1st world leader in poverty, incarceration, prenatal death, murder, and is the only country besides Somalia to sentence children under 18 to death (and the only country to kill a child through its penal system since 1997).
I will admit we do face social issues often, through many forms of media including this site, which is much more than other countries do. But you don't maintain being the 'pinnacle of the world' by not changing obvious flaws in the system.
bragging about your iq on a message board is pretty lame. 1) i dont believe you, 2) iq is bullshit anyway, and 3) prove it with articulate posting, not a meaningless number.
It's why I think differently, it was a reasoning, not bragging.
I agree IQ is only typically relative to knowledge.
Broken-down, I have an uncanny ability to solve problems.
I think I have proven my aptitude. Have you a mind capable of seeing it?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
a high iq means you can process facts, but it doesn't mean you have any insight.
insight? Wouldn't insight come from processing facts?
Or are you referring to intuition? My Frontal Insular Cortex functions just fine.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
In what sense in the United States the pinnacle of the world? It's perennially the richest country for sure, but even with that it is also perennially the 1st world leader in poverty, incarceration, prenatal death, murder, and is the only country besides Somalia to sentence children under 18 to death (and the only country to kill a child through its penal system since 1997).
I will admit we do face social issues often, through many forms of media including this site, which is much more than other countries do. But you don't maintain being the 'pinnacle of the world' by not changing obvious flaws in the system.
My point is, not everyone is American, I sure as hell am not.
Just because you have a racial problem in the southern U.S. it does not represent the entire world.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and my mom tells me I am the most handsome guy she knows!
Well, that might be because she is your mom.
I've repeatedly had high IQ scores on various controlled tests. None of which were administered by my mother.
I'm bound to think differently than your average JOE.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
insight comes from seeing both sides of something, as opposed to making up your mind and then searching for facts that back-up your theory.
I do see both sides, you aren't seeing both sides of what I am saying.
There is nothing illogical, racial or unintelligent about saying:
"Racially exclusive clubs should be acceptable for all races or no races."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
yet you still allow yourself to smoke and to live in a less then pleasant environment.
have you ever taken an emotional IQ test?
You mean an EQ test?
That has nothing to do with the topic, but for your information, I've taken every kind of test.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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It always happens when some racist fucks try to blame white people for their pathetic lives. Grow the fuck up, take responsibility for yourself.
Whine, bitch and complain about your skin pigmentation all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are black/native or whatever and have to get a job and work like everyone else.
There are plenty of black/native/asian whatever people at my work that make a shit load of more money than I do. I don't blame them for my situation, that's just racist and ignorant.
Based on your liberal opinion regarding advocacy of "Smokers rights" from a thread a few days ago (as I recall, you expect non-smokers to adjust for your smoking habit....please correct me if I am wrong), you sure change your tune when a group of whom you are not a member is asking for understanding and compromise!
I wasn't asking non-smokers to adjust, it was the other way around.
Remember when you could smoke indoors in enclosed ventilated areas, now you can't, that is non-smokers forcing smokers to adjust.
au contraire, mon frere....you wanted pity because you were "roped" into smoking at a young age, and since it is so dificult to quit, we should understand how tough it is for a smoker.
But, lets not debate smoking......someone was gracious enough to start this thread, so we should respect the topic.
Is that what you thought?
Holy moly, you just don't get anything, do you?
I did nothing to black people, my ancestors did nothing to black people.
The same goes for 99% of the white folks out there. So get the fuck over it.
Hell no!........nobody except for yopu seems to get anything!
Even in your constant cloud of cigarette smoke, you have attained clarity!
Maybe it's because I have an IQ of 152.
Or maybe it's just because I think.
Maybe they just want to bake Quiche and Apfelstrudel, sing Swedish traditionals, dance Flamenco, watch Pan Tau (Czech TV show) and smuggle in some Guiness on St. Patrick's day. Why does everything always have to be about race?
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
Brutality!
First, i very well know "non-stereotypical but typical" point of view on the natives and i think it's pretty lame and stupid.
Second, your history is wrong, just like the way you say that Quebec sign a contract to be part of Canada (and forget about the historic 7 years war), it's all inventions or i don't know how you call it, but talk facts, real one, not those you dream about.
Third, If ever there was Norse inhabitant here and if there was a group of Norseman having land and Power reclamation to first Nations, then yes First Nations would have to pay damages, but there's NONE, zero. If you want to talk facts, then talk about the fact that First nations groups ARE asking about land control (among other things), and are being refuse by our govt., even if historical facts prove them rights, and even if when comes in front of a court (international or local), they always win.
Fourth, you claim to be advocating equality, that's great. Equality does not mean a conquerer taking someone lands and history, then fabricating a piece of paper saying that the conquered are equal to the conquerer, that's the shame of America. Justice must be done to those who still live here and have request for reparation.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
No that's bullshit. We are all decendants of Ethiopian Homo Sapien. We are all brothers.
What about archipilego? When all land was one, who owned it then?
You know it's all bullshit, but you are advocating for them simply because your husband or whatever is black and that has influenced your train of thought.
Because it has nothing to do with me and I am a White Man. You are talking about select individuals in positions of authority. I'm saying it's not as if all white men are like that and that is the generalization.
The topic is about having racially exclusive clubs, and my point is that it should be no or all races that have that privledge.
How about only 1% of inmates are atheists and 10% of the total population are atheists? Does that definitavely mean that religion causes violence? No.
Beyond that, we are being shit on just for being white, even if we are living in poverty with black people, we get shit on just for our skin colour.
It seems that because caucasian males, over time, established themselves as the dominant force around the globe through violence, chicanery and, in present times, effective diplomacy and a keen business sense, they have forfeited their rights to celebrate their accomplishments and contributions to societal advancements. This is ludicrous. History is history, whether it be the history of whites, blacks, browns..whatever race. These groups should have every right to gather as an exclusive entity to celebrate their ancestors' successes and disect failures to prevent future reoccurrences.
Trying to deduce an accepted "score" for atrocities is just plain stupid. The implication that black slaves working on southern plantations were more unjustly treated than white peasants living under Stalin's rule because the slaves were victims of "racial hatred" is ridiculous. The strong middle classes of Europe, North America, and Asia are a relatively new segment of the population when searching through the annals of history. Prior to modern times, the elites and blue bloods in ALL the continents, regardless of race, were really the only group of people who weren't seriously wronged in one way or another. Most of our distant ancestors have had to overcome tremendous odds to lead us to the lifestyles we enjoy today. There's a lot to learn from those groups, including the "caucasians" that this young girl wants to discuss with her peers.
On that note, again, I agree that this group is fine. I think they should acknowledge, however, that most history classes taught in school are essentially European-American versions of heritage (from Columbus discovering America on through).
On the flipside, your claim to not have any privilege on the basis of your skin hue is ludicrous. That is not to say that in any given assembly of individuals an ethnic minority may have more relative privilege than a 'white' person (generally based as you have rightly pointed out in class-based privilege). Contrarily, what I am arguing is that, on the whole, the United States is a society that privileges "whiteness" in its myriad forms...it does so because those individuals who have the power to disseminate information are generally white. As such, we get a white view of how the world should be (Reaganite-individualism/puritan work ethic/etc.) not a diverse array of difference that this country purports to live in. Thus you do have some level of privilege that others in a similar socio-economic standing do not. For instance, when you walk in a room what do you suppose people assume about you? What color are band-aids? What color are ace bandages? Why does the color "white" connote peace? Why does the color "black" connote evil? I could go on and on with this, but basically if all other things are equal whiteness is a bit of privilege that you and I have over others.
To recognize this is not necessarily hating white people, or white heritage. Rather, I would argue, it is to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation for where your "self" is located in this society.
bragging about your iq on a message board is pretty lame. 1) i dont believe you, 2) iq is bullshit anyway, and 3) prove it with articulate posting, not a meaningless number.
a high iq means you can process facts, but it doesn't mean you have any insight.
I will admit we do face social issues often, through many forms of media including this site, which is much more than other countries do. But you don't maintain being the 'pinnacle of the world' by not changing obvious flaws in the system.
It's why I think differently, it was a reasoning, not bragging.
I agree IQ is only typically relative to knowledge.
Broken-down, I have an uncanny ability to solve problems.
I think I have proven my aptitude. Have you a mind capable of seeing it?
insight? Wouldn't insight come from processing facts?
Or are you referring to intuition? My Frontal Insular Cortex functions just fine.
and my mom tells me I am the most handsome guy she knows!
My point is, not everyone is American, I sure as hell am not.
Just because you have a racial problem in the southern U.S. it does not represent the entire world.
insight comes from seeing both sides of something, as opposed to making up your mind and then searching for facts that back-up your theory.
Well, that might be because she is your mom.
I've repeatedly had high IQ scores on various controlled tests. None of which were administered by my mother.
I'm bound to think differently than your average JOE.
I do see both sides, you aren't seeing both sides of what I am saying.
There is nothing illogical, racial or unintelligent about saying:
"Racially exclusive clubs should be acceptable for all races or no races."
yet you still allow yourself to smoke and to live in a less then pleasant environment.
have you ever taken an emotional IQ test?
You mean an EQ test?
That has nothing to do with the topic, but for your information, I've taken every kind of test.