Don't tell that to my mother, who is an ethnic Russian who would literally club you if you called her Ukranian or Polish. Not to mention the Serbs and the Croats. Hell, the French and the English.
But they're all white, right?
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
but don't you think that minorities are more justified in having a chip on their shoulders?
I am not saying its productive, but it sure seems understandable to me.
An aggressor can't be the one to ask for healing....they started it, so they need to live with the bi-products of their actions!
i think as long as people think they are justified in having chips on their shoulders, we can never make progress. I can def agree that it seems understandable. But for me it goes back to people on both sides of the issue saying we need to move forward, but as soon as race can be contrued (rightly or wrongly) as an issue...it all too often is.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
Don't tell that to my mother, who is an ethnic Russian who would literally club you if you called her Ukranian or Polish. Not to mention the Serbs and the Croats. Hell, the French and the English.
i think as long as people think they are justified in having chips on their shoulders, we can never make progress. I can def agree that it seems understandable. But for me it goes back to people on both sides of the issue saying we need to move forward, but as soon as race can be contrued (rightly or wrongly) as an issue...it all too often is.
That is the kicker.
Sure, some guys with beige/pinkish skin did some shit to some guys with black/brownish skin, some time in the past. But that's not everyone, most of those pink and brown people are dead now. Things have changed a lot.
Not to mention Africa sold the slaves to Brittain and the U.S.
The problem we have now is people hanging on to those events from the past. I agree it's important to understand how we got to the point we are at, but it's more important to examine how we are now.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i think as long as people think they are justified in having chips on their shoulders, we can never make progress. I can def agree that it seems understandable. But for me it goes back to people on both sides of the issue saying we need to move forward, but as soon as race can be contrued (rightly or wrongly) as an issue...it all too often is.
you make a great point......we can't forget the past, but we need to try and avoid letting it diminish our future!....easier said then done, however.
Sure, some guys with beige/pinkish skin did some shit to some guys with black/brownish skin, some time in the past. But that's not everyone, most of those pink and brown people are dead now. Things have changed a lot.
Not to mention Africa sold the slaves to Brittain and the U.S.
The problem we have now is people hanging on to those events from the past. I agree it's important to understand how we got to the point we are at, but it's more important to examine how we are now.
NO NO NO AHNIMUS! You have to pay for it...sure you didnt do anything but your ancestors did!
he/she's talking about the fact that white peoples don't all have the same heritage, which is why it should be explained as to what you consider your white heritage... i think it's pretty clear, even for a white french guy...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
You said we "don't need to narrow white." I assumed that you were saying that we don't need to narrow down whites into smaller groups. I'm arguing that lots of white people try to distinguish themselves from other white people.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
Sure, some guys with beige/pinkish skin did some shit to some guys with black/brownish skin, some time in the past. But that's not everyone, most of those pink and brown people are dead now. Things have changed a lot.
Not to mention Africa sold the slaves to Brittain and the U.S.
The problem we have now is people hanging on to those events from the past. I agree it's important to understand how we got to the point we are at, but it's more important to examine how we are now.
So, racism and sexism have disappeared and everyone is equal in everyone's mind?
Then why are we talking about it in the first place... damn i knew there was a catch.
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
NO NO NO AHNIMUS! You have to pay for it...sure you didnt do anything but your ancestors did!
Actually they didn't.
And if they had, I'd kick there asses myself.
Of course, if I had a time machine, and kicked my ancestors asses, it probably wouldn't change the course of history, except maybe I wouldn't exist.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So, racism and sexism have disappeared and everyone is equal in everyone's mind?
Then why are we talking about it in the first place... damn i knew there was a catch.
That's why we have to concentrate on the present and not the past.
I've been pushing equalism since I joined this forum. I'm sure you remember the whole "N-words With Attitdues" thread. Remember I'm racist for not seeing the difference between that and "Cracker"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
on some topics, yes, we should pay reparation for the problem that has yet to be "repaired"...
That's bullshit, there is no damage to repair.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You said we "don't need to narrow white." I assumed that you were saying that we don't need to narrow down whites into smaller groups. I'm arguing that lots of white people try to distinguish themselves from other white people.
miller doesn't know what he's arguing . . . and that's what i'm arguing
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
NO NO NO AHNIMUS! You have to pay for it...sure you didnt do anything but your ancestors did!
some people's ancestors got rich by exploiting slaves, and those riches have been passed thru generations, so if the beneficiary of the riches shouldn't have to answer for the acts of their ancestors, to be consistant, shouldn't they have to give back the riches.
People love drinking from the mug of wealth, but the bill comes, they want to claim that they never took a sip!
Yes there is, like land exploitations for the natives, as a simple example...
Land exploitation?
OH, you mean because some tribes have casinos and the tribe chief hordes all the money for himself? That's just human nature, not my fault.
Or.. because...?
It's widely believed that the Norse inhabited N. America before the Natives and Natives are descendant of some Asian civilization. Guess how the Natives got the land?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
some people's ancestors got rich by exploiting slaves, and those riches have been passed thru generations, so if the beneficiary of the riches shouldn't have to answer for the acts of their ancestors, to be consistant, shouldn't they have to give back the riches.
People love drinking from the mug of wealth, but the bill comes, they want to claim that they never took a sip!
Except, if my parents are poor. It's my responsibility to make my own life better, because I'm white.
Let me get something straight, absolutely none of my ancestors ever owned slaves, and my skin colour is classified as "white"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
OH, you mean because some tribes have casinos and the tribe chief hordes all the money for himself? That's just human nature, not my fault.
Or.. because...?
It's widely believed that the Norse inhabited N. America before the Natives and Natives are descendant of some Asian civilization. Guess how the Natives got the land?
For a guy who relies on facts and his education as backing that was one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. Do you know anything about North American Prehistory? It has been archaeologically proven that Native People have been in North America (longer in South America) for atleast 13 000 years. Nordic/Vicking Cultures are known to have visited North America approx around 900 A.D. and they never ever entrenched themselves here...also proven archaeologically.
It amazes me to this day the blanket statements that white people apply to Native Culture, the bottom line is people like you dont care about Native people and are for a lack of better words....racist.
>>>>
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
For a guy who relies on facts and his education as backing that was one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. Do you know anything about North American Prehistory? It has been archaeologically proven that Native People have been in North America (longer in South America) for atleast 13 000 years. Nordic/Vicking Cultures are known to have visited North America approx around 900 A.D. and they never ever entrenched themselves here...also proven archaeologically.
It amazes me to this day the blanket statements that white people apply to Native Culture, the bottom line is people like you dont care about Native people and are for a lack of better words....racist.
It amazes me to this day the blanket statements that white people apply to Native Culture, the bottom line is people like you dont care about Native people and are for a lack of better words....racist
That statement is racist by your own definition.
You are right, 200 years later, it's a non-issue. People just have to accept the way life is, and don't tell me natives didn't fight amongst themselves for land and resources.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and yes, if someone is white and poor, they have a head start over minorities in improving their lives.
Not true, ever heard of Affirmative Action?
Or maybe you live in Texas, it ain't like that everywhere y'all.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You are right, 200 years later, it's a non-issue. People just have to accept the way life is, and don't tell me natives didn't fight amongst themselves for land and resources.
Yep...you're ignorant and racist.
"People just have to accept the way life is"?
Thank god this isnt 150 years ago cause I would be holding your heart in my hand.
>>>>
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
Yep...you're ignorant and racist.
"People just have to accept the way life is"?
Thank god this isnt 150 years ago cause I would be holding your heart in my hand.
It isn't 150 years ago, wake up and smell the present.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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But they're all white, right?
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
i think as long as people think they are justified in having chips on their shoulders, we can never make progress. I can def agree that it seems understandable. But for me it goes back to people on both sides of the issue saying we need to move forward, but as soon as race can be contrued (rightly or wrongly) as an issue...it all too often is.
It's semantics.
What does it really matter if a group of people sit in a room and read about European history?
what are you talking about?
Trust me im fine i dont need to "heal"
Let me ask you, are you white?
That is the kicker.
Sure, some guys with beige/pinkish skin did some shit to some guys with black/brownish skin, some time in the past. But that's not everyone, most of those pink and brown people are dead now. Things have changed a lot.
Not to mention Africa sold the slaves to Brittain and the U.S.
The problem we have now is people hanging on to those events from the past. I agree it's important to understand how we got to the point we are at, but it's more important to examine how we are now.
you make a great point......we can't forget the past, but we need to try and avoid letting it diminish our future!....easier said then done, however.
NO NO NO AHNIMUS! You have to pay for it...sure you didnt do anything but your ancestors did!
he/she's talking about the fact that white peoples don't all have the same heritage, which is why it should be explained as to what you consider your white heritage... i think it's pretty clear, even for a white french guy...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
So, racism and sexism have disappeared and everyone is equal in everyone's mind?
Then why are we talking about it in the first place... damn i knew there was a catch.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
i wish we knew how we could get it done. It just seems that we always manage to screw it up
Actually they didn't.
And if they had, I'd kick there asses myself.
Of course, if I had a time machine, and kicked my ancestors asses, it probably wouldn't change the course of history, except maybe I wouldn't exist.
on some topics, yes, we should pay reparation for the problem that has yet to be "repaired"...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
That's why we have to concentrate on the present and not the past.
I've been pushing equalism since I joined this forum. I'm sure you remember the whole "N-words With Attitdues" thread. Remember I'm racist for not seeing the difference between that and "Cracker"
That's bullshit, there is no damage to repair.
miller doesn't know what he's arguing . . . and that's what i'm arguing
cross the river to the eastside
Yes there is, like land exploitations for the natives, as a simple example...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
some people's ancestors got rich by exploiting slaves, and those riches have been passed thru generations, so if the beneficiary of the riches shouldn't have to answer for the acts of their ancestors, to be consistant, shouldn't they have to give back the riches.
People love drinking from the mug of wealth, but the bill comes, they want to claim that they never took a sip!
Land exploitation?
OH, you mean because some tribes have casinos and the tribe chief hordes all the money for himself? That's just human nature, not my fault.
Or.. because...?
It's widely believed that the Norse inhabited N. America before the Natives and Natives are descendant of some Asian civilization. Guess how the Natives got the land?
I owe you nothing
Except, if my parents are poor. It's my responsibility to make my own life better, because I'm white.
Let me get something straight, absolutely none of my ancestors ever owned slaves, and my skin colour is classified as "white"
For a guy who relies on facts and his education as backing that was one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. Do you know anything about North American Prehistory? It has been archaeologically proven that Native People have been in North America (longer in South America) for atleast 13 000 years. Nordic/Vicking Cultures are known to have visited North America approx around 900 A.D. and they never ever entrenched themselves here...also proven archaeologically.
It amazes me to this day the blanket statements that white people apply to Native Culture, the bottom line is people like you dont care about Native people and are for a lack of better words....racist.
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians
Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
dude, none of these comments are aimed at YOU.
and yes, if someone is white and poor, they have a head start over minorities in improving their lives.
It amazes me to this day the blanket statements that white people apply to Native Culture, the bottom line is people like you dont care about Native people and are for a lack of better words....racist
That statement is racist by your own definition.
You are right, 200 years later, it's a non-issue. People just have to accept the way life is, and don't tell me natives didn't fight amongst themselves for land and resources.
Not true, ever heard of Affirmative Action?
Or maybe you live in Texas, it ain't like that everywhere y'all.
Yep...you're ignorant and racist.
"People just have to accept the way life is"?
Thank god this isnt 150 years ago cause I would be holding your heart in my hand.
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians
Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
I have heard of affirm action, but I think prejudice trupms affirmative action
nope, I live in California.
It isn't 150 years ago, wake up and smell the present.
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians
Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009