If this is what you got out of football I can only guess that you weren't a good player. Football is about making a commitment to yourself to be the best you can be, making a commitment to your teamates to be the best you can be for them, it is about sacrificing your ego for the greater good of the team. How to get back up after you've been beat down. It's about trust, communications, caring. The lessons you learn in football you carry with you through your life, and can help make you a better person. I feel sorry for you that you only learned to be a "lawful savage".
It's about going all out from kickoff to closing whistle and at every practice inbetween. It's about having respect for your opponent, realizing that you can only be your best when your opponent requires you to bring it out. It has absolutely nothing to do with "lawful savages".
I agree. Though i think wrestling gave me more life lessons than football did.
And if someone chooses not to see the savagery in football, it's also because they choose not to see it. No one said that's all there is to it, but it's certainly there. It's a good game, I enjoy watching it, but it IS savage ... that is not to say that you don't also learn other things by playing.
Savagery may be part of the game but if that's what you get out of the game then that's your problem. Much like sweating may be part of sex it's sure not what I take away from it.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Played college ball as well. The point was that you take from football (and any sport or group activity) what you want. I learned tons of good things from sports that I apply everyday as a professional in the business world. If someone only sees "lawful savages" that's because that's all they chose to find.
Football's just a game, work's just work, family's just family, Pearl Jam's just music. Not sure if there was a point you were trying to make.
sorry, that just seemed a little melodramatic... like a denzel washington speech at the end of an inspiring football movie
in any case, y'all are taking my off the cuff joke a little too seriously. maybe you ought to listen to a lewis black cd and try removing the sticks from your collective arses. i just think a public, on camera thanking of god after winning a football game, or a grammy, or whatever, is funny. sue me.
sorry, that just seemed a little melodramatic... like a denzel washington speech at the end of an inspiring football movie
in any case, y'all are taking my off the cuff joke a little too seriously. maybe you ought to listen to a lewis black cd and try removing the sticks from your collective arses. i just think a public, on camera thanking of god after winning a football game, or a grammy, or whatever, is funny. sue me.
You got it buddy, what's it cost to get a deputy to deliver a subpoena in Illinois?
It's been a while for me, I'm sure the inflation is terrible.
To all you idiots complaining about how a millionaire athlete can relate to God, I doubt many of you know what Coach Dungy has gone through the past two years. I doubt any of you can relate to being a deeply spiritual person who has had to cope with losing a child, only to find the personal strength to rise above it and reach the height of your profession only two years later.
It wasn't about making an oscar style acceptance speech or making a front...it was about being real and showing the world what your beliefs are.....God forbid anybody does that in today's society.
I do not know Coach Dungy personally nor am I a Colts fan - in fact I hated seeing horse face Manning win yesterday - but I am a huge football fan and every time I have seen a piece on Dungy he's always related spirtuallity or faith in his words.......and I was very happy to see Dungy win.
Excellent post.
I think it's actually hillarious that his comments really get so many people upset. We have reached a point of sensitivity that has far-crossed the line of the absurd. I think it's funny that people are actually offended and become uncomfortable b/c someone mentions God or even...*gasps* J.C! I mean, how dare someone shove their beliefs down our throats! *rolls eyes*
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I think it's actually hillarious that his comments really get so many people upset. We have reached a point of sensitivity that has far-crossed the line of the absurd. I think it's funny that people are actually offended and become uncomfortable b/c someone mentions God or even...*gasps* J.C! I mean, how dare someone shove their beliefs down our throats! *rolls eyes*
I think it's actually hillarious that his comments really get so many people upset. We have reached a point of sensitivity that has far-crossed the line of the absurd. I think it's funny that people are actually offended and become uncomfortable b/c someone mentions God or even...*gasps* J.C! I mean, how dare someone shove their beliefs down our throats! *rolls eyes*
I can't read 7 pages of this nonsense again, so would you please be so kind as to quote the post from whoever was offended and uncomfortable? The only posts I remember are the ones where people thought it was funny.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Nobody is being hyper sensitive here but the people getting worked up because some of us think it's laughable to bring up god when talking about sporting events. We are laughing and you guys are the ones who can't seem to handle that.
I think it's laughable to put words in someone's mouth. There's been this giant leap to take his comments and say that "yeah, I thank God for helping us win" when that's not what he said. The man has experienced deep personal tragedy. The team has exemplifed the idea that you should never give up. They have faced so many obstacles, it came to the point where EVERYONE has doubted them. They were down 21-6 to the team that always kicks the shit out of them 2 weeks ago...but they overcame all of that. The man has deeply held religious beliefs, and a lot of us believe in something...and look for inspiration....obiously Christianity helps him and helped him overcome.
That's the reality. Admittedly, it's not as easy as assuming "another dopey high profile someone saying God was on his side" but the former is closer to reality.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Oh, sorry. I thought it was kind of a big deal. I mean, a black guy winning the super bowl as head coach. Who thought it was even possible for a black guy to play football let alone coach an entire team? I think it may be one of the top 5 greatest feats of all-time just behind Eddie Pope being capable of playing soccer. Honestly, I'm not sure how either one of those two guys are able to tie their own shoes which makes what happened Sunday certainly extraordinary.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I can't read 7 pages of this nonsense again, so would you please be so kind as to quote the post from whoever was offended and uncomfortable? The only posts I remember are the ones where people thought it was funny.
I don't feel like going back either...but why would anyone think what he ACTUALLY SAID would be funny? I know very few posts actually addressed what he said but a lot have insinuated that he thought "God was on his side."
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I don't feel like going back either...but why would anyone think what he ACTUALLY SAID would be funny? I know very few posts actually addressed what he said but a lot have insinuated that he thought "God was on his side."
I didn't watch the SB, I never do, so I was responding to what was posted. I suspect most were doing the same. Still, no one claimed to be offended or uncomfortable.
I still have no idea what the guy said, nor do I care. Until last night, I didn't even know who he was, and if you ask me in a few days I'll probably have forgotten by then. I just think it's funny that football games and god might have anything to do with one another. If they don't, then ok, I take it all back.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
No, I'm not referring to anyone specifically, just generally (not even here, but also including conversations I've had with others).
To tell you the truth, it honestly AMAZES me that anyone would actually care #1, and #2, find what he said (again, not what someone "thinks" he said) funny...
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I didn't watch the SB, I never do, so I was responding to what was posted. I suspect most were doing the same. Still, no one claimed to be offended or uncomfortable.
Well... I'll say it again, like I've told those stupid Bush supporters who wont serve their country...
If you didn't watch the Super Bowl, then please, don't comment on the issue.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I think it's laughable to put words in someone's mouth. There's been this giant leap to take his comments and say that "yeah, I thank God for helping us win" when that's not what he said. The man has experienced deep personal tragedy. The team has exemplifed the idea that you should never give up. They have faced so many obstacles, it came to the point where EVERYONE has doubted them. They were down 21-6 to the team that always kicks the shit out of them 2 weeks ago...but they overcame all of that. The man has deeply held religious beliefs, and a lot of us believe in something...and look for inspiration....obiously Christianity helps him and helped him overcome.
That's the reality. Admittedly, it's not as easy as assuming "another dopey high profile someone saying God was on his side" but the former is closer to reality.
I thought soulsingings post was funny and still do. If you have a problem with it then take it up with him.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No, I'm not referring to anyone specifically, just generally (not even here, but also including conversations I've had with others).
To tell you the truth, it honestly AMAZES me that anyone would actually care #1, and #2, find what he said (again, not what someone "thinks" he said) funny...
i didnt hear what he said. so you might want to blame miller for framing his speech as being such a great christian. all it called to mind was the endless series of "id like to thank god for my awward." and those speeches always crack me up.
I didn't watch the SB, I never do, so I was responding to what was posted. I suspect most were doing the same. Still, no one claimed to be offended or uncomfortable.
I still have no idea what the guy said, nor do I care. Until last night, I didn't even know who he was, and if you ask me in a few days I'll probably have forgotten by then. I just think it's funny that football games and god might have anything to do with one another. If they don't, then ok, I take it all back.
Who said that football games and god have anything to do with one another. That's the whole point of contention.
Wow, say if I thank God for helping me get through a lecture...does that mean god has anything to do with class? Of course not, it's merely me thanking something (whether it's god or not) for giving me strength and inspiriation.
but again, it's EASIER to assume he was linking god and outcomes of football games.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Who said that football games and god have anything to do with one another. That's the whole point of contention.
Wow, say if I thank God for helping me get through a lecture...does that mean god has anything to do with class? Of course not, it's merely me thanking something (whether it's god or not) for giving me strength and inspiriation.
but again, it's EASIER to assume he was linking god and outcomes of football games.
yeah, but it gets ridiculous. grace before meals. thanking god for inspiring me to get off the couch and piss at halftime. thank god for that belch cos now i feel way better. at what point do you stop the ass-kissing and acknowledge that maybe your hard work had something to do with it? maybe he should thank his father for instilling a great work ethic in him? or something a bit more realistic and tangible.
i didnt hear what he said. so you might want to blame miller for framing his speech as being such a great christian. all it called to mind was the endless series of "id like to thank god for my awward." and those speeches always crack me up.
I agree with you! I have made fun of numerous athletes (jason sehorn, chris carter)...guys who are real dopes and trust me, I'm on board with a lot of you in these situations, and have mocked them just like you guys have done...
but this is not the case with dungy...like other football fans have said, the man believes deeply in his spirituality, and it's important to him. and when you consider everything they've gone through...you can understand him thanking his belief.
if you really step back, it is inspirational.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
but again, it's EASIER to assume he was linking god and outcomes of football games.
Also, he is linking god to his ability to overcome and win the game. Why else would you be thanking god after winning the super bowl? I guess god wasn't helping the bears to 'overcome' enough.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree with you! I have made fun of numerous athletes (jason sehorn, chris carter)...guys who are real dopes and trust me, I'm on board with a lot of you in these situations, and have mocked them just like you guys have done...
but this is not the case with dungy...like other football fans have said, the man believes deeply in his spirituality, and it's important to him. and when you consider everything they've gone through...you can understand him thanking his belief.
if you really step back, it is inspirational.
well, i dont know a damn thing about him and didnt see his speech. all i saw was miller, our resident right wing, hard-on for jesus-lovin republican saying "dungy is the best christian ever!" i assumed the worst, so thought id try to slip in something kinda funny. guess it backfired. cos some of the christians round here apparently cant take a joke.
Also, he is linking god to his ability to overcome and win the game. Why else would you be thanking god after winning the super bowl? I guess god wasn't helping the bears to 'overcome' enough.
Seriously? Yes, he linked God to his ability to face obstacles. Nobody is saying that God wanted the Colts to win. Nobody is saying God chooses sides...Just that they may find personal inspiration in believing in something. I seriously don't believe that you or anyeone else can't understand the distinciton. But feeding into stereotypes is a lot of laughs.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
well, i dont know a damn thing about him and didnt see his speech. all i saw was miller, our resident right wing, hard-on for jesus-lovin republican saying "dungy is the best christian ever!" i assumed the worst, so thought id try to slip in something kinda funny. guess it backfired. cos some of the christians round here apparently cant take a joke.
It's not about taking a joke...I just think we are way too uptight about everything...:) And like I said, I would normally find your joke funny, b/c idiotic athletes say that stuff all the time, and I do make fun of them.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Seriously? Yes, he linked God to his ability to face obstacles. Nobody is saying that God wanted the Colts to win. Nobody is saying God chooses sides...Just that they may find personal inspiration in believing in something. I seriously don't believe that you or anyeone else can't understand the distinciton. But feeding into stereotypes is a lot of laughs.
Whatever. I probably just don't get the whole inspiration from god thing. You win the game because you worked the hardest and played the best. Bringing up faith seems odd to me because I'm sure many of the Bears have had to overcome plenty throughout life and also have faith in god. To me, bringing it up is like saying yeah, god helped me to get to this point and win the super bowl. But tell that to the guy on the Bears who is just as much of a believer and equally inspired by his faith as Dungy. It just seems silly...but oh well.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i didnt hear what he said. so you might want to blame miller for framing his speech as being such a great christian. all it called to mind was the endless series of "id like to thank god for my awward." and those speeches always crack me up.
yeah you know, god has some bad taste in music.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Comments
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I agree. Though i think wrestling gave me more life lessons than football did.
Ok, that was a great post. Well done sir.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Learned alot about yourself rasslin' with sweaty guys? Not that there is anything wrong with that.....
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
unlike you im comfortable with my sexuality.
go play soccer.
sorry, that just seemed a little melodramatic... like a denzel washington speech at the end of an inspiring football movie
in any case, y'all are taking my off the cuff joke a little too seriously. maybe you ought to listen to a lewis black cd and try removing the sticks from your collective arses. i just think a public, on camera thanking of god after winning a football game, or a grammy, or whatever, is funny. sue me.
You got it buddy, what's it cost to get a deputy to deliver a subpoena in Illinois?
It's been a while for me, I'm sure the inflation is terrible.
no clue, but you'd have to come here to illinois to prosecute me. jurisdiction is a bitch.
Excellent post.
I think it's actually hillarious that his comments really get so many people upset. We have reached a point of sensitivity that has far-crossed the line of the absurd. I think it's funny that people are actually offended and become uncomfortable b/c someone mentions God or even...*gasps* J.C! I mean, how dare someone shove their beliefs down our throats! *rolls eyes*
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
i hope you're not referring to me here.
I think it's laughable to put words in someone's mouth. There's been this giant leap to take his comments and say that "yeah, I thank God for helping us win" when that's not what he said. The man has experienced deep personal tragedy. The team has exemplifed the idea that you should never give up. They have faced so many obstacles, it came to the point where EVERYONE has doubted them. They were down 21-6 to the team that always kicks the shit out of them 2 weeks ago...but they overcame all of that. The man has deeply held religious beliefs, and a lot of us believe in something...and look for inspiration....obiously Christianity helps him and helped him overcome.
That's the reality. Admittedly, it's not as easy as assuming "another dopey high profile someone saying God was on his side" but the former is closer to reality.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Oh, sorry. I thought it was kind of a big deal. I mean, a black guy winning the super bowl as head coach. Who thought it was even possible for a black guy to play football let alone coach an entire team? I think it may be one of the top 5 greatest feats of all-time just behind Eddie Pope being capable of playing soccer. Honestly, I'm not sure how either one of those two guys are able to tie their own shoes which makes what happened Sunday certainly extraordinary.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I don't feel like going back either...but why would anyone think what he ACTUALLY SAID would be funny? I know very few posts actually addressed what he said but a lot have insinuated that he thought "God was on his side."
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I still have no idea what the guy said, nor do I care. Until last night, I didn't even know who he was, and if you ask me in a few days I'll probably have forgotten by then. I just think it's funny that football games and god might have anything to do with one another. If they don't, then ok, I take it all back.
No, I'm not referring to anyone specifically, just generally (not even here, but also including conversations I've had with others).
To tell you the truth, it honestly AMAZES me that anyone would actually care #1, and #2, find what he said (again, not what someone "thinks" he said) funny...
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Well... I'll say it again, like I've told those stupid Bush supporters who wont serve their country...
If you didn't watch the Super Bowl, then please, don't comment on the issue.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I thought soulsingings post was funny and still do. If you have a problem with it then take it up with him.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i didnt hear what he said. so you might want to blame miller for framing his speech as being such a great christian. all it called to mind was the endless series of "id like to thank god for my awward." and those speeches always crack me up.
Who said that football games and god have anything to do with one another. That's the whole point of contention.
Wow, say if I thank God for helping me get through a lecture...does that mean god has anything to do with class? Of course not, it's merely me thanking something (whether it's god or not) for giving me strength and inspiriation.
but again, it's EASIER to assume he was linking god and outcomes of football games.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
yeah, but it gets ridiculous. grace before meals. thanking god for inspiring me to get off the couch and piss at halftime. thank god for that belch cos now i feel way better. at what point do you stop the ass-kissing and acknowledge that maybe your hard work had something to do with it? maybe he should thank his father for instilling a great work ethic in him? or something a bit more realistic and tangible.
I agree with you! I have made fun of numerous athletes (jason sehorn, chris carter)...guys who are real dopes and trust me, I'm on board with a lot of you in these situations, and have mocked them just like you guys have done...
but this is not the case with dungy...like other football fans have said, the man believes deeply in his spirituality, and it's important to him. and when you consider everything they've gone through...you can understand him thanking his belief.
if you really step back, it is inspirational.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Also, he is linking god to his ability to overcome and win the game. Why else would you be thanking god after winning the super bowl? I guess god wasn't helping the bears to 'overcome' enough.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well, i dont know a damn thing about him and didnt see his speech. all i saw was miller, our resident right wing, hard-on for jesus-lovin republican saying "dungy is the best christian ever!" i assumed the worst, so thought id try to slip in something kinda funny. guess it backfired. cos some of the christians round here apparently cant take a joke.
Seriously? Yes, he linked God to his ability to face obstacles. Nobody is saying that God wanted the Colts to win. Nobody is saying God chooses sides...Just that they may find personal inspiration in believing in something. I seriously don't believe that you or anyeone else can't understand the distinciton. But feeding into stereotypes is a lot of laughs.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
It's not about taking a joke...I just think we are way too uptight about everything...:) And like I said, I would normally find your joke funny, b/c idiotic athletes say that stuff all the time, and I do make fun of them.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Well it appears I was wrong. My mistake. My apologies.
Thank you God for giving me the ability to realize when I'm in the wrong. Amen.
Whatever. I probably just don't get the whole inspiration from god thing. You win the game because you worked the hardest and played the best. Bringing up faith seems odd to me because I'm sure many of the Bears have had to overcome plenty throughout life and also have faith in god. To me, bringing it up is like saying yeah, god helped me to get to this point and win the super bowl. But tell that to the guy on the Bears who is just as much of a believer and equally inspired by his faith as Dungy. It just seems silly...but oh well.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah you know, god has some bad taste in music.
cross the river to the eastside