World Can't Wait Oct. 5

Abookamongstthemany

moeaholic wrote:

how many of those pictures are from 2006? a handful were from '05, and one of those pics you linked twice.

oops, I was trying not to mix the two. I think there will be more to show tommorrow (not that I posted every one I found anyways) seeing as how many of these events are still going on and whatnot. and sorry about posting one twice, I didn't realize.

moeaholic

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

oops, I was trying not to mix the two. I think there will be more to show tommorrow (not that I posted every one I found anyways) seeing as how many of these events are still going on and whatnot. and sorry about posting one twice, I didn't realize.

i didn't mean to sound dickish about it, i was just wondering.

PaperPlates

surferdude wrote:

I've checked msn.com and cnn.com and can't find any reporting of this protest. It just seemed way to vague to me concerning the reason driving the protest. Reading the material it seemed just as much against the Dems as it was Bush. It seemed to be advocating for huge change without saying what change it wanted. Seems like an awkward way to go about it if you ask me.

You've just summed up the liberal personality disorder to a tee.

Abookamongstthemany

moeaholic wrote:

i didn't mean to sound dickish about it, i was just wondering.

No problem. Thanks for letting me know so I could fix before some of the more rude and unpleasant posters around here made a big deal about it.

stupidcorporatewhore

PaperPlates wrote:

You've just summed up the liberal personality disorder to a tee.

better to support peace than to support murder, you ignorant f**ktool!!

have fun in hell.

surferdude

PaperPlates wrote:

You've just summed up the liberal personality disorder to a tee.

That's not where I was going with my assessment of the protest. It just seem very poorly thought out about what they were protesting and changes they want made. In some ways poorly thought out protests do more harm to the cause than good. It become easy to marginalize a group that doesn't quite have it together, even if their intentions are good.

Lizard

Well the 5:00 news here in L.A. just showed the protesters--it was actually the 2nd or 3rd story so not bad. It is major gridlock down there.

Ahnimus

Lizard wrote:

Well the 5:00 news here in L.A. just showed the protesters--it was actually the 2nd or 3rd story so not bad. It is major gridlock down there.

Sweet, grid-lock is a good sign, and this time for a decent cause.

Any estimates of how many people showed up?

Lizard

Not sure but I think the reporter said something like 200 but I could be completely wrong. That many people on a major street in L.A. would be a pain. Not as big as the Illegal Immigrant rally but they outnumber us!!

PaperPlates

surferdude wrote:

That's not where I was going with my assessment of the protest. It just seem very poorly thought out about what they were protesting and changes they want made. In some ways poorly thought out protests do more harm to the cause than good. It become easy to marginalize a group that doesn't quite have it together, even if their intentions are good.

Are you seriously going to make me say it again? Because you did it again!

PaperPlates

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

better to support peace than to support murder, you ignorant f**ktool!!

have fun in hell.

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Abookamongstthemany

PaperPlates wrote:

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First of all...welcome back from this brief timeout. Now for a little heart-to-heart...please keep reading.

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For everyone else...It's important to know/realize/learn that showing and expressing respect for the persons you're speaking with actually increases their willingness to listen to what you're saying. This is not opinion; this is fact. So if someone is speaking antagonistically and/or aggressively to a fellow Pearl Jam fan here, heaping abuse upon them, it's not following the Posting Guidelines one agreed to when registering. Anyone doing that will not remain here...it's solely *their choice.* Second chances will not be given for anyone dropping bombs on another member. If someone sees a problem post, please use the triangle-shaped icon on the post and report it to us so we can take care of it. Your help is always appreciated.

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At least he/she was upfront about it and wasn't dancing around it and trying to throw out bait. For the record, I don't agree with either approach but can certainly understand the emotion.

old and in the way

surferdude wrote:

That's not where I was going with my assessment of the protest. It just seem very poorly thought out about what they were protesting and changes they want made. In some ways poorly thought out protests do more harm to the cause than good. It become easy to marginalize a group that doesn't quite have it together, even if their intentions are good.

You make some good points here Sdude. This event was internet created and has origins linked to the extreme left. I believe it may have done more harm than good to the movement as all the coverage I have seen has been focused on the low turnout and not the message. Its kind of a hate event in that most are just saying I hate Bush so make him go away. The lack of a clear alternative and just the negative nature of the title prevented many people from participating who would otherwise see themselves aligned with the greater cause.

Abookamongstthemany

old and in the way wrote:

You make some good points here Sdude. This event was internet created and has origins linked to the extreme left. I believe it may have done more harm than good to the movement as all the coverage I have seen has been focused on the low turnout and not the message. Its kind of a hate event in that most are just saying I hate Bush so make him go away. The lack of a clear alternative and just the negative nature of the title prevented many people from participating who would otherwise see themselves aligned with the greater cause.

Anytime you are going for large numbers, you sacrifice detail. There have been numerous events more fine tuned and focused on certan issues. I think the goal here was to unify these groups and proclaim they are not happy with the current direction. Of cousrse, there are always gonna be some apsect of the 'I hate so and so' at these events but thats to be expected and happens all the time and they know it's not that simple. It's kinda hard to fit your whole political view on a sign. The purpose was to get people behind this cause with a theme that they all could relate to and directing the complaints towards the current adminstration would be an effort at attacking the cause of so many problems we are facing today. And again, the fact that the media downplays and discredits these events is not shocking and quite expected.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

so i guess the good ole U.S.A. survived bongfest huh????

i guess the 12 people who actually participated can go back out tomorrow and look for a job....maybe actually contribute to society...

hehehehe..........


jeb bush 2008...........

Ahnimus

^^^ Antagonist ^^^

Ahnimus

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

so i guess the good ole U.S.A. survived bongfest huh????

i guess the 12 people who actually participated can go back out tomorrow and look for a job....maybe actually contribute to society...

hehehehe..........


jeb bush 2008...........

I can tell you one thing, if everyone smoked weed, people would be a lot more humble.

Abookamongstthemany

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

so i guess the good ole U.S.A. survived bongfest huh????

i guess the 12 people who actually participated can go back out tomorrow and look for a job....maybe actually contribute to society...

hehehehe..........


jeb bush 2008...........

completely naive.....

rarghrargh-brownstar

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

If any of these goals were accomplished it was worth it. Change takes time and effort and won't come overnight after a day of protesting. And I can't believe people are acting suprised they didn't hear about this in the corporate media!!!??? What a big shocker there! Do they ever cover the stuff they should in any depth?

'change don't come from one
it's a wave building before it breaks'

yup. sounds pretty straight forward to me. ^

first and foremost, on a personal level.....this is about children and women being raped. I dont think i have to answer that. it speaks for itself.

things dont add up in the administration. gradually, our rights are being taken away from us all.

Change is persistence. great quote Abook. I am proud to consider you "my friend." Just another reason that I am thankful to Pearl Jam for putting some goodness in my life.

Even if 5 people showed up or show up to these "awareness" events, it would be wealth worth it. To give a voice to the baby that doesnt.....or didnt.


Thanks for caring about humanity.
Thanks to all of the people here have inspired me to do what is right, this also being looking into issues that I (WE) cant let slide by.

Love to ya.

Abookamongstthemany

rarghrargh-brownstar wrote:

yup. sounds pretty straight forward to me. ^

first and foremost, on a personal level.....this is about children and babies being raped. I dont think i have to answer that. it speaks for itself.

things dont add up in the administration. gradually, our rights are being taken away from us all.

Change is persistence. great quote Abook. I am proud to consider you "my friend." Just another reason that I am thankful to Pearl Jam for putting some goodness in my life.

Even if 5 people showed up or show up to these "awareness" events, it would be wealth worth it. To give a voice to the baby that doesnt.....or didnt.


Thanks for caring about humanity.
Thanks to all of the people here have inspired me to do what is right, this also being looking into issues that I (WE) cant let slide by.

Love to ya.

Aww, thank you sweetie!!! Damn, you've made some tears swell up!

I'm very proud to have wonderful person like you as a good friend and flattered that you hold me in such high regards. The feeling is quite mutual!