Mos Def Arrested While Performing 'Katrina Clap' outside the VMAs

Abookamongstthemany

PaperPlates wrote:

The 15 people you grabbed in my "hypothetical" situation.

Since you love hypotheticals.

Christ, you people need to read slower.

just imagine having to police 'them' the 15 guys in your example, everyday?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

i think the title of this thread should have been.....

GOOD AND DECENT POLICE OFFICERS DO THEIR JOB WELL AND ARREST SOMEONE WHO WAS BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

Abookamongstthemany

dg1979us wrote:

I have a problem with that. And like I said earlier, I certainly and not discounting racism at all as I know it still exists. But that doesnt mean it should be thrown into every situation. He broke a law, he got arrested. I actually agree that it probably should have just been broken up. But in saying that, he did break a law. But racism charges can be pretty insulting, and I dont think it is something that shoudl be thrown around lightly. And in this situation, I have to say that I think you are throwing it around lightly since you have absolutely no evidence or racism, other than a black guy who broke the law was arrested.

How can you prove it, though? It can only be judged based on other similar problems/overreactions such as these....which are plenty.

MasterFramer

PaperPlates wrote:

Apparently this is simply what you wanted to read from my post. This isnt remotely what my post intended, nor said. Read slow. The mother wanted her son to be something someday. And she sure as hell knew that that entire culture her son was being sucked into, was not the road to success. Image isnt everything, but its alot. And when you intentionally glorify crime, and violence, in both the music you listen to, and in the garb you wear, you may not deserve extra attention from the police, but you sure should expect it if you're not a complete dumb-ass.

that mother was an ignorant bitch… if she wanted to get through to her son she should have talked to him not slam him with racial slurs… and for some reason her being black makes it ok to you... which its not...

Abookamongstthemany

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i think the title of this thread should have been.....

GOOD AND DECENT POLICE OFFICERS DO THEIR JOB WELL AND ARREST SOMEONE WHO WAS BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think, yourself, that he needed to be arrested for this? After he had finished performing and agreed to leave? You think he needed to be taken in for that?

dg1979us

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

How can you prove it, though? It can only be judged based on other similar problems/overreactions such as these....which are plenty.

In this situation you cant, which is why I dont think you should be so adament about it. Honest, I can understand where you are coming from, but at the same time the cops were in there rights to arrest him. In my opinion your only legitimate issue here would be if you disagreed with the permit laws, or if you have evidence of Clay Aiken doing this type of thing and not getting arrested.

PaperPlates

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

just imagine having to police 'them' the 15 guys in your example, everyday?

no, work in neighborhood where EVERY male is wearing baggy clothes. Not for style. But for concealment. Talk to an inner city cop. Even a black one. Have you? I have. I know a few. Racism isnt the motivation, fear of being killed for not assuming the worst is. And its not that hard to assume someone's a criminal, when they walk, talk, dress and act like just that.

Not in this "permit" example. But to the issue of racist cops. Sure there's racist cops. There's racist everything. Banishing that is about as realistic as banishing war. But keep aiming high!!

If YOU are walking in a dark, poorly lit street, and 3 black males wearing big baggy clothes, with their pants down to their ass, are walking towards you, do YOU cross the street? Do YOU get nervous, even a little? If you say no, you're either a liar, or really brave.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Are you serious!? You know they wouldn't arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken. Well, I'll just have to disagree with you then.

im still waiting for you.....to prove to me.....

how I know they wouldnt arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken.....

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Do you think, yourself, that he needed to be arrested for this? After he had finished performing and agreed to leave? You think he needed to be taken in for that?

of course....

Abookamongstthemany

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

im still waiting for you.....to prove to me.....

how I know they wouldnt arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken.....

That's just me expressing my disbelief. I just can't see that happening at all.

MasterFramer

PaperPlates wrote:

no, work in neighborhood where EVERY male is wearing baggy clothes. Not for style. But for concealment. Talk to an inner city cop. Even a black one. Have you? I have. I know a few. Racism isnt the motivation, fear of being killed for not assuming the worst is. And its not that hard to assume someone's a criminal, when they walk, talk, dress and act like just that.

Hmmm all erratic acting Arabs must be terrorists then too huh? We all must fear the worst... man that kid I past today saggn his pants musta had a 45 in his waist band... good thing I didnt look him in the eye!!!

how's living in fear working for you?

MasterFramer

PaperPlates wrote:

If YOU are walking in a dark, poorly lit street, and 3 black males wearing big baggy clothes, with their pants down to their ass, are walking towards you, do YOU cross the street? Do YOU get nervous, even a little? If you say no, you're either a liar, or really brave.

You are a rasict and dont even know it...

Abookamongstthemany

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

of course....

why? he wasn't causing any harm to anyone. they don't take you in for speeding.

PaperPlates

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

of course....

ignoring of course the reaction and possibility of a primarily urban, illegal gathering of people on a busy street corner where Katrina is the subject, and completely dismissing any chances of a riot or whatever. You love to see the tradgedy in these types of things, yet you love to ignore reality just as much. Or so it seems to me.

Gnite,
So long,
Farewell,
see ya on the flip side.

Smell ya later. Im out.

PaperPlates

MasterModeler wrote:

You are a rasict and dont even know it...

Im a realist, and you refuse to see it. Come take a walk with me in the neighborhoods 'round here. See for yourself, what you really think inside.
Who needs actions when you got words tho?

MasterFramer

PaperPlates wrote:

ignoring of course the reaction and possibility of a primarily urban, illegal gathering of people on a busy street corner where Katrina is the subject, and completely dismissing any chances of a riot or whatever. You love to see the tradgedy in these types of things, yet you love to ignore reality just as much. Or so it seems to me.

Gnite,
So long,
Farewell,
see ya on the flip side.

Smell ya later. Im out.

good riddance...

PaperPlates

MasterModeler wrote:

Hmmm all erratic acting Arabs must be terrorists then too huh? We all must fear the worst... man that kid I past today saggn his pants musta had a 45 in his waist band... good thing I didnt look him in the eye!!!

how's living in fear working for you?

Im not afraid, nor living with any of it. I simply tend to avoid areas and people who may be a threat. How's living in delusion and denial going for you?

MasterFramer

PaperPlates wrote:

Im a realist, and you refuse to see it. Come take a walk with me in the neighborhoods 'round here. See for yourself, what you really think inside.
Who needs actions when you got words tho?

Topeka? Shit I hear that is a tough hood when the bake sale runs out of cupcakes and cookies...

PaperPlates

MasterModeler wrote:

good riddance...

Ill miss you the most.

MasterModeler wrote:

Topeka? Shit I hear that is a tough hood when the bake sale runs out of cupcakes and cookies...

Never been there, is it nice? The only thing baked around this general area, is the crack-heads.

MasterFramer

PaperPlates wrote:

Im not afraid, nor living with any of it. I simply tend to avoid areas and people who may be a threat. How's living in delusion and denial going for you?

OK I'll take your advice... making a mental note here... *must avoid black people in the dark with baggy pants* ok I got it... now what about black people in "normal clothes"? Should I avoid them too? Or only at night? Hmmm How about some white kids in the dark with baggy clothes? Do they have guns too? How about Asians? Arabs? Any other racial stereotypes you want to help me with here so I’m safer? God this is so scary!!! Man I dont even know if I should go out at night... or even the daytime!!!! AHHHHH!!!