im pretty sure i answered it in post #45 of this thread.....i said YES!!!
they forgot??
they didnt know???
or just decided to pay a fine???
now i wouldnt call what they did stupid......i would call it illegal....and that is why they were arrested.....
Do you really think the city would have granted Mos Def a permit to perform across the street of a venue that already had a couple thousand people in it? NO... Should he have been arrested... if only he refused to disperse after he was told to... doesnt sound like they asked him to leave first.
too add im glad he got arrested and it may have even been planned... I had no idea his new album was coming out on the 19th of this month, now I do... plus it gives some much needed attention to Katrina...
The beatles were on the roof of a private building, that is a little different then being on a public street. And the fact of the matter is this song and its message is getting much more notoriety because of his arrest, so I dont even see his arrest as a bad thing really.
I think it's a good thing for the song and cause, as well. But I don't like how the cops handled it at all.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Are you serious!? You know they wouldn't arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken. Well, I'll just have to disagree with you then.
How do you know that? You are arguing a hypothetical with no basis and trying to make it a race issue it seems. The fact of the matter is he broke a law, and if he thought he would just have to pay a fine, then he knew he was breaking a law. Dont get me wrong, it wouldnt have bothered me a bit if the cops just broke it up, but your implying things that you have absolutely no way of backing up because they are purely hypothetical.
go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
did someone say stereotype???
whats good for the goose, is rarely good for the gander, with some people at least. Try to point that out subtly, and you're baiting. Try to use extreme statments to point out the ridiculousness of their argument, and you get banned. Try to present them with facts, they simply dismiss them. Sad really.
go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
did someone say stereotype???
The police actually do act racist alot and it is a problem that sould be addressed. Where does Mos Def say ALL police are racist or are you putting your own twist to it? And even if Mos Def was the biggest stereotypical person alive, he still should have treated this way by the police.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
did someone say stereotype???
Say ho everybody say ho
bop po quay yo
I said shake your soul like way back in the day yo
bop po quay yo everybody say ho
Everybody say hooooo hooo
Everybody say ho
And check it out now
Who is cat eating out on the town
And make the whole dining room turn they head around
Mr Nigga Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk
With the bass on pump(?)
Who be riding up in the highrise elevator
Other tenants who be praying they ain't the new neighbor
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
They try to play him like a chump
Cause he got what they want
He under thirty years old
But already he's a pro
Designer trousers slung low
Because his pockets stay swoll'
Could afford to get up and be anywhere he go
VIP at the club, backstage at the show
(Yes y'all) the best crib, the best clothes
Hottest whips on the road
Neck and wrists on froze (say word)
Checks with O's o-o-o-o-ohs
Straight all across the globe
Watch got three time-zones
Keep a digital phone up to his dome
Two assistants
Two bank accounts, two homes
One problem
Even with the O's on his check
The po-po stop him and show no respect
"Is there a problem officer?"
Damn straight, it's called race
That motivate the jake (woo-woo) to give chase
Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case
You livin large, your skin is dark
They flash a light in your face
Now, who is cat dining out on the town
Me'tradie wanna take a whole year to sit him down
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk
With the bass on pump(?)
Now, who is the cat at Armani buying wears
With the tourists who be asking him, do you work here?
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
Nigga Nigga
Yo, the Abstract with the Mighty Mos Def
White folks got it muffled across beneath they breathe
"I didn't say it.."
But they'll say it out loud again
When they deal with their close associates and friends
You know
Sneak it in with they friends at the job
Happy hour at the bar
While this song is in they car
And even if they've never said it, lips stay sealed
Their actions reveal how their hearts really feel
Like, late night I'm on a first class flight
The only brother in sight
The flight attendent catch fright
I sit down in my seat, 2C
She approach officially talking about, "Excuse me"
Her lips curl up into a tight space
She don't believe that I'm in the right place
Showed her my boarding pass,
And then she sort of gasped
All embarrassed put an extra lime in my water glass
An hour later here she comes by walking past
"I hate to be a pest but my son would love your autograph"
They stay on Nigga patrol on american roads
And when you travel abroad they got world Nigga laws
Some folks get on a plane go as they please
But I go over seas and I get over siezed
London-Heathro, me and my people
They think that illegal's a synonym for Negro
Far away places, customs agents flagrant
They think the dark face is smuggle waiting in cases
Bags inspected, now we arrested
Attention directed to contents of our intestines
Urinanalyis followed by X-rays
Interegated and detained to damn near the next day
No evidence, no appology and no regard
Even for the big american rap star
For us especially, us most especially,
A Mr Nigga VIP jail cell just for me
"If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a cake
Just got some shoe-polish, painted my face"
They say they want you successful
But then they make it stressful
You start keeping pace, they start shaking up the tempo
Now, who is cat riding out on the town
State trooper want to stop in his ride, pat him down
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk
With the bass on pump(?)
Now, who is the cat with the hundred dollar bill
They gotta send it to the back to make sure the shit is real
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
Nigga Nigga Nigga
You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?
OJ found innocent by a jury of his peers
They been fucking with that Nigga for last five years
Is it fair, is it equal, is it just, is it right?
Do they do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
If white boys doing it, well, it's success
When I start doing, well, it's suspect
Don't hate me, my folks is poor, I just got money
America's five centuries deep in cotton money
You see a lot of brothers caked up, yo straight up
It's new, Y'all living off of slave traders paper
But I'm a live though, yo I'm a live though
Putting up the big swing for my kids yo
Got my mom the fat water-front crib yo
I'm a get her them pretty bay windows
I'm a cop a nice home to provide in
A safe environment for seeds to reside in
A fresh whip for my whole family to ride in
And if I'm still Mr Nigga, I won't find it suprising
yeah, he's a fucking poet.
If it walks like a thug, talks like a thug, smells like a thug, and walks like a thug..............its usually a thug.
Laws are laws, and rules are rules, why should anyone be exempt>?
this is soooooo funny coming from you!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
The police actually do act racist alot and it is a problem that sould be addressed. Where does Mos Def say ALL police are racist or are you putting your own twist to it? And even if Mos Def was the biggest stereotypical person alive, he still should have treated this way by the police.
You dont have any evidence of racism. I certainly agree that racism is still a problem and many cops certainly have racist tendencies, but because a black person is arrested for breaking a law does not automatically equate to racism.
mos def was given a summons for operating a sound reproduction device without a permit....
yes...the beatles had their rooftop performance shut down by the police...not only did they not have a permit but for disturbing the peace...no arrests were made, they were told to stop and eventually they did...the u2 video i mentioned was based on this event...if you recall it starts w/ them in top of a building, the police telling them to stop and bono saying 'we're being shut down'
yes, we've established he was given a summons...where was he given this summons? the police station? how did he get there? was in handcuffs when he arrived? to me, that is being arrested
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
whats good for the goose, is rarely good for the gander, with some people at least. Try to point that out subtly, and you're baiting. Try to use extreme statments to point out the ridiculousness of their argument, and you get banned. Try to present them with facts, they simply dismiss them. Sad really.
in this thread YOU have been referred to as....a rascist,a bigot,a troll,and ignorant.......
YOU have also been told that you have your head up your ass.....
i love it........hehehehehe
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
If you dont think racial profiling doesnt happen or exist you are in need of some serious help...
And if you think wearing big baggy clothes that were designed originally with no purpose in mind but to help conceal weapons/drugs/money, and that the way you dress and carry yourself will indeed, not just with the police, but with people in general affect the way you are treated, you are in serious need of some life experience.
yes...the beatles had their rooftop performance shut down by the police...not only did they not have a permit but for disturbing the peace...no arrests were made, they were told to stop and eventually they did...the u2 video i mentioned was based on this event...if you recall it starts w/ them in top of a building, the police telling them to stop and bono saying 'we're being shut down'
yes, we've established he was given a summons...where was he given this summons? the police station? how did he get there? was in handcuffs when he arrived? to me, that is being arrested
A rooftop is a private building which is not a public street so you are comparing two different situations. Now they could have possibly gotten them for a noise ordinance or something, but you dont need a permit to perform on private property.
The beatles were on the roof of a private building, that is a little different then being on a public street. And the fact of the matter is this song and its message is getting much more notoriety because of his arrest, so I dont even see his arrest as a bad thing really.
did they violate the law? yes, otherwise the police would have no reason to tell them to stop and they would have no reason to comply
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
So you dont think its true that white people use the n word they are alone? Please tell me you are not this ignorant...
yup, all white people just sit around saying the n word when referring to black people. just like all black people sit around talking about crackers and everyone else talks about hte spics.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
coming from you this has to be the funniest thing I have read in a long time... since when does you first claming Mos Def says all cops are racist to to me completly prooving you wrong have anything to do with baggy clothes... stick the to subject homie...
BTW the first part of your post makes no sense... do you think baggy clothes were designed for concealment or are you saying that's what I think?
So you dont think its true that white people use the n word they are alone? Please tell me you are not this ignorant...
All of them? Im pretty sure that most of the ones who use it while alone, also would use it regardless of who was there.
And I know FOR SURE that they don't use more than the same people who hate being called that word. Know what Im sayin??
I lived with a black family when I was a teen.The mom would constantly be on her one son's ass about his friends, calling them n*****s and such, and one day I asked her why she used this word, with all that comes with it.
She told me, "because him and his friends ARE n*****s, they act like n*****s, they talk like n*****s, and in my mind they are n*****s."\
I responded with wonderment.
She explained, " I am not a n*****s. I am an african queen! (funny as it sounds, thats what she really said). But my son and his friends are n*****s."
She spoke as articulatly as my mom did, who was a teacher. Had you spoke on the phone to this woman, you'd have never known her race. When you wear clothing and carry yourself in the way many of these people CHOSE to do, one can only expect treatment in accordance with the image you project.
did they violate the law? yes, otherwise the police would have no reason to tell them to stop and they would have no reason to comply
What law did they violate? And also keep in mind that was 30 years ago so laws could have changed by now. And the cops broke it up because of the crowd in the street.
All of them? Im pretty sure that most of the ones who use it while alone, also would use it regardless of who was there.
And I know FOR SURE that they don't use more than the same people who hate being called that word. Know what Im sayin??
I lived with a black family when I was a teen.The mom would constantly be on her one son's ass about his friends, calling them n*****s and such, and one day I asked her why she used this word, with all that comes with it.
She told me, "because him and his friends ARE n*****s, they act like n*****s, they talk like n*****s, and in my mind they are n*****s."\
I responded with wonderment.
She explained, " I am not a n*****s. I am an african queen! (funny as it sounds, thats what she really said). But my son and his friends are n*****s."
She spoke as articulatly as my mom did, who was a teacher. Had you spoke on the phone to this woman, you'd have never known her race. When you wear clothing and carry yourself in the way many of these people CHOSE to do, one can only expect treatment in accordance with the image you project.
You are basing you beliefs on your experience with this other ignorant person? That explains alot...
So by your rational its cool to hate on gay people for acting gay if you dont "approve" of their lifestyle, that is basically what you are saying here about hip-hop culture... they dress and act "that" way SO they deserve to be treated "this" way... grow up dude
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Do you really think the city would have granted Mos Def a permit to perform across the street of a venue that already had a couple thousand people in it? NO... Should he have been arrested... if only he refused to disperse after he was told to... doesnt sound like they asked him to leave first.
Are you serious!? You know they wouldn't arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken. Well, I'll just have to disagree with you then.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Clay!!! You coming with us!!! :rolleyes: yeah right
I think it's a good thing for the song and cause, as well. But I don't like how the cops handled it at all.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
How do you know that? You are arguing a hypothetical with no basis and trying to make it a race issue it seems. The fact of the matter is he broke a law, and if he thought he would just have to pay a fine, then he knew he was breaking a law. Dont get me wrong, it wouldnt have bothered me a bit if the cops just broke it up, but your implying things that you have absolutely no way of backing up because they are purely hypothetical.
it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
did someone say stereotype???
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Thats fine and perfectly reasonable, but I dont think this is much of an issue at all.
whats good for the goose, is rarely good for the gander, with some people at least. Try to point that out subtly, and you're baiting. Try to use extreme statments to point out the ridiculousness of their argument, and you get banned. Try to present them with facts, they simply dismiss them. Sad really.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
you should see these white kids i see at the mall....i'm about to move to a black neighborhood where it's safer!
The police actually do act racist alot and it is a problem that sould be addressed. Where does Mos Def say ALL police are racist or are you putting your own twist to it? And even if Mos Def was the biggest stereotypical person alive, he still should have treated this way by the police.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Say ho everybody say ho
bop po quay yo
I said shake your soul like way back in the day yo
bop po quay yo everybody say ho
Everybody say hooooo hooo
Everybody say ho
And check it out now
Who is cat eating out on the town
And make the whole dining room turn they head around
Mr Nigga Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk
With the bass on pump(?)
Who be riding up in the highrise elevator
Other tenants who be praying they ain't the new neighbor
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
They try to play him like a chump
Cause he got what they want
He under thirty years old
But already he's a pro
Designer trousers slung low
Because his pockets stay swoll'
Could afford to get up and be anywhere he go
VIP at the club, backstage at the show
(Yes y'all) the best crib, the best clothes
Hottest whips on the road
Neck and wrists on froze (say word)
Checks with O's o-o-o-o-ohs
Straight all across the globe
Watch got three time-zones
Keep a digital phone up to his dome
Two assistants
Two bank accounts, two homes
One problem
Even with the O's on his check
The po-po stop him and show no respect
"Is there a problem officer?"
Damn straight, it's called race
That motivate the jake (woo-woo) to give chase
Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case
You livin large, your skin is dark
They flash a light in your face
Now, who is cat dining out on the town
Me'tradie wanna take a whole year to sit him down
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk
With the bass on pump(?)
Now, who is the cat at Armani buying wears
With the tourists who be asking him, do you work here?
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
Nigga Nigga
Yo, the Abstract with the Mighty Mos Def
White folks got it muffled across beneath they breathe
"I didn't say it.."
But they'll say it out loud again
When they deal with their close associates and friends
You know
Sneak it in with they friends at the job
Happy hour at the bar
While this song is in they car
And even if they've never said it, lips stay sealed
Their actions reveal how their hearts really feel
Like, late night I'm on a first class flight
The only brother in sight
The flight attendent catch fright
I sit down in my seat, 2C
She approach officially talking about, "Excuse me"
Her lips curl up into a tight space
She don't believe that I'm in the right place
Showed her my boarding pass,
And then she sort of gasped
All embarrassed put an extra lime in my water glass
An hour later here she comes by walking past
"I hate to be a pest but my son would love your autograph"
They stay on Nigga patrol on american roads
And when you travel abroad they got world Nigga laws
Some folks get on a plane go as they please
But I go over seas and I get over siezed
London-Heathro, me and my people
They think that illegal's a synonym for Negro
Far away places, customs agents flagrant
They think the dark face is smuggle waiting in cases
Bags inspected, now we arrested
Attention directed to contents of our intestines
Urinanalyis followed by X-rays
Interegated and detained to damn near the next day
No evidence, no appology and no regard
Even for the big american rap star
For us especially, us most especially,
A Mr Nigga VIP jail cell just for me
"If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a cake
Just got some shoe-polish, painted my face"
They say they want you successful
But then they make it stressful
You start keeping pace, they start shaking up the tempo
Now, who is cat riding out on the town
State trooper want to stop in his ride, pat him down
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
He got the speakers in the trunk
With the bass on pump(?)
Now, who is the cat with the hundred dollar bill
They gotta send it to the back to make sure the shit is real
Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
Nigga Nigga Nigga
You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?
OJ found innocent by a jury of his peers
They been fucking with that Nigga for last five years
Is it fair, is it equal, is it just, is it right?
Do they do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
If white boys doing it, well, it's success
When I start doing, well, it's suspect
Don't hate me, my folks is poor, I just got money
America's five centuries deep in cotton money
You see a lot of brothers caked up, yo straight up
It's new, Y'all living off of slave traders paper
But I'm a live though, yo I'm a live though
Putting up the big swing for my kids yo
Got my mom the fat water-front crib yo
I'm a get her them pretty bay windows
I'm a cop a nice home to provide in
A safe environment for seeds to reside in
A fresh whip for my whole family to ride in
And if I'm still Mr Nigga, I won't find it suprising
yeah, he's a fucking poet.
If it walks like a thug, talks like a thug, smells like a thug, and walks like a thug..............its usually a thug.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
No where does he say every cop is racist... he clearly explains the problem of racial profiling, which happens everyday...
this is soooooo funny coming from you!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
You dont have any evidence of racism. I certainly agree that racism is still a problem and many cops certainly have racist tendencies, but because a black person is arrested for breaking a law does not automatically equate to racism.
If you dont think racial profiling doesnt happen or exist you are in need of some serious help...
Much like he clearly states that whitey may not say it in the open, but when we are behind closed doors we call "them" the n word.
Its far more likely, that behind closed doors, he's most likely more racist than most "whitey's".
Just ask Chris Rock> The most racist people on earth, are old black men.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
yes...the beatles had their rooftop performance shut down by the police...not only did they not have a permit but for disturbing the peace...no arrests were made, they were told to stop and eventually they did...the u2 video i mentioned was based on this event...if you recall it starts w/ them in top of a building, the police telling them to stop and bono saying 'we're being shut down'
yes, we've established he was given a summons...where was he given this summons? the police station? how did he get there? was in handcuffs when he arrived? to me, that is being arrested
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
YOU have also been told that you have your head up your ass.....
i love it........hehehehehe
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So you dont think its true that white people use the n word they are alone? Please tell me you are not this ignorant...
And if you think wearing big baggy clothes that were designed originally with no purpose in mind but to help conceal weapons/drugs/money, and that the way you dress and carry yourself will indeed, not just with the police, but with people in general affect the way you are treated, you are in serious need of some life experience.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
A rooftop is a private building which is not a public street so you are comparing two different situations. Now they could have possibly gotten them for a noise ordinance or something, but you dont need a permit to perform on private property.
did they violate the law? yes, otherwise the police would have no reason to tell them to stop and they would have no reason to comply
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yup, all white people just sit around saying the n word when referring to black people. just like all black people sit around talking about crackers and everyone else talks about hte spics.
Dontcha know?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
coming from you this has to be the funniest thing I have read in a long time... since when does you first claming Mos Def says all cops are racist to to me completly prooving you wrong have anything to do with baggy clothes... stick the to subject homie...
BTW the first part of your post makes no sense... do you think baggy clothes were designed for concealment or are you saying that's what I think?
All of them? Im pretty sure that most of the ones who use it while alone, also would use it regardless of who was there.
And I know FOR SURE that they don't use more than the same people who hate being called that word. Know what Im sayin??
I lived with a black family when I was a teen.The mom would constantly be on her one son's ass about his friends, calling them n*****s and such, and one day I asked her why she used this word, with all that comes with it.
She told me, "because him and his friends ARE n*****s, they act like n*****s, they talk like n*****s, and in my mind they are n*****s."\
I responded with wonderment.
She explained, " I am not a n*****s. I am an african queen! (funny as it sounds, thats what she really said). But my son and his friends are n*****s."
She spoke as articulatly as my mom did, who was a teacher. Had you spoke on the phone to this woman, you'd have never known her race. When you wear clothing and carry yourself in the way many of these people CHOSE to do, one can only expect treatment in accordance with the image you project.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
What law did they violate? And also keep in mind that was 30 years ago so laws could have changed by now. And the cops broke it up because of the crowd in the street.
You are basing you beliefs on your experience with this other ignorant person? That explains alot...
So by your rational its cool to hate on gay people for acting gay if you dont "approve" of their lifestyle, that is basically what you are saying here about hip-hop culture... they dress and act "that" way SO they deserve to be treated "this" way... grow up dude
Cannnnnnnnnnn you feeeeeeeeeelllllllll the love tonight?
Yet, ill probably be the only one NOT left standing tomoro. Gotta love it!
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