What's it going to take before YOU decide to resist?

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I sorta understand the point that Badnarik was trying to make, but as soon as he started bringing the Holocaust up as a comparison, he sounded as delusional and paranoid as that Applewhite guy with the Heaven's gate cult.


    Using extreme examples makes a case not a direct comparison. And we use them all them time here to make points. He was saying when is it bad enough for you to start getting fed up. If it were as bad as Nazi Germany, he wouldn't be able to even make the video and have it on youtube. He's saying if you're going to do something, do it before shit gets so bad it's hard to turn back. It was an obvious point. He was saying we aren't Nazi Germany and we can still do something about our gov't's abuse of power.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Using extreme examples makes a case not a direct comparison. And we use them all them time here to make points. He was saying when is it bad enough for you to start getting fed up. If it were as bad as Nazi Germany, he wouldn't be able to even make the video and have it on youtube. He's saying if you're going to do something, do it before shit gets so bad it's hard to turn back. It was an obvious point. He was saying we aren't Nazi Germany and we can still do something about our gov't's abuse of power.


    I know, but going that extreme makes him no better than the sensationalism in our news networks. Hearing him talk about rounding people up in cattle cars turns me off as quickly is the local news anchor saying "Find out if your drive to work can kill you - tune in at 11".
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I know, but going that extreme makes him no better than the sensationalism in our news networks. Hearing him talk about rounding people up in cattle cars turns me off as quickly is the local news anchor sayin "F
    ind out if your drive to work can kill you - tune in at 11".



    Not at all. He needed to bring up the worst example of a submissive people to drive the point home. It's a factual period in time where people didn't stand up for what was right to the point they were subjected to genocide. He's showing just how bad it can get and people will still go along with it. That is a strong point. And he showed how it was gradual...also a strong point. It needed to be said because we, as a people, are excusing our gov't's corruption and abuses of power MORE than we are resisting and voting them out of power. The question stands, when is it going to be enough for us to stand up against it? Or will we ever? People always say, 'Yeah, that will never happen to us. The american people won't stand for it!' Newsflash!- There's a whole lot of stuff happening right now that people thought we'd never see in America! Where is it going to end???


    It's not the same thing a sensationalizing stupid news stories in the least. They purposefully talk about useless stories to distract people's attention from the real stuff that goes unreported. Also they make things out to be much worse than they are to frighten people. Nazi Germany happened and he didn't sensationalize it or say that's what's happening here. He simply pointed out how things can go bad quickly and if you're not up for resisting against it when it's the smaller crimes, what's going to stop them from committing even bigger ones?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Christ!! I should have known better.

    I posted this because of the concept of finally saying enough is enough. And deciding you aren't going to go along with the corrupt deeds of your govt and resisting. Is it that difficult to grasp? You don't have to take everything as a 100% literal comparison...jeez.


    I don't know why I bother

    I dont know why you bothered to post just bullshit either.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I dont know why you bothered to post just bullshit either.


    How is it bullshit?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How is it bullshit?

    the comparisons to nazi's and the holocaust is down right idiotic. yea, thanks for posting. well done.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    the comparisons to nazi's and the holocaust is down right idiotic. yea, thanks for posting. well done.


    Read my posts to blackredyellow just a few posts up^^^...it's not that hard to understand. It's showing an example of submissive people letting gov't abuse it power and then it was too late for them to stop it. NOT ONCE did he say this is the situation in the US or even like it. He's just saying how we need to stand up to things we see as wrong NOW or they will keep on abusing their power because no one is stopping them. Simple, really.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Also they make things out to be much worse than they are to frighten people.

    you don't say... I got that exact feeling listening to the lecture in the original post.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    blackredyellow wrote:
    you don't say... I got that exact feeling listening to the lecture in the original post.


    He never said that the US was like Nazi German and we all should be scared as hell. Correct? So it's not like sensationalizing our situation to frighten us. Showing an example of how thing can go wrong quickly with a gov't not held accountable by it's citizens by using a factual period in history, is not what the 'news' does.

    The point was that people always think it won't happen to them. He pointed out how easily it can happen, abuse by abuse, until it's too late. If anything, it should be empowering to anyone who watched it to know that we still have a chance to keep our gov't in check and hold them accountable but that, indeed, is up to us. We gotta draw the line and say enough is enough somewhere and stop excusing all the shit they keep pulling in the name of keeping us 'safe'.

    Care to reply to the rest of my post?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymooon (et al) says this story didn't tingle his wee wee enough, so he's raising the bar by offering up a handful of his own excrement.

    edit: hehe did I write that? :D :( :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,407
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Christ!! I should have known better.

    I posted this because of the concept of finally saying enough is enough. And deciding you aren't going to go along with the corrupt deeds of your govt and resisting. Is it that difficult to grasp? You don't have to take everything as a 100% literal comparison...jeez.


    I don't know why I bother
    keep posting, don't be discouraged by a few.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    stuckinline wrote:
    keep posting, don't be discouraged by a few.

    thanks for the encouragement :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Seriously, I have never seen so many reactionary posts and such an effort to do anything but address the point of a thread, in the first place.

    Anybody here at all feel like taking on the question... What will it take for you to start resisting?

    the patriot act, constant surveillance, wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, loss of habeas corpus, executive branch power monopoly to go to war, a congress that sits on it's hands, pretends to care while profiting from the mess just the same?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Seriously, I have never seen so many reactionary posts and such an effort to do anything but address the point of a thread, in the first place.

    Anybody here at all feel like taking on the question... What will it take for you to start resisting?

    the patriot act, constant surveillance, wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, loss of habeas corpus, executive branch power monopoly to go to war, a congress that sits on it's hands, pretends to care while profiting from the mess just the same?

    People will have to be forced to live under conditions approaching curfews towards a policed state (of existence). The continual pressures of this longterm would start to put cracks in the egg. Start tossing in a few curfews and see how many people really do start to get freaky in the neighborhood when the sun goes down....hehe
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    (")_(")
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    blackredyellow wrote:
    and the paranoid are unaware that they are paranoid


    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_is_the_government
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    blackredyellow wrote:
    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_is_the_government


    I will read this later as I can't here at work. I was hoping someone would be able to pick out where my quote came from since everyone was talking about paranoia.

    As for the main question presented by the OP, I'm not sure what it'll take for me to start resisting. I mean, I'm certainly not going to vote for any of the "main three" because I think they are so full of shit that just one visit to the bathroom won't fix things. I guess, if I knew more of what I could do other than just voting, I'd probably consider it.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    blackredyellow wrote:
    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_is_the_government


    So what do you think? Has there not been abuses by this gov't to warrant any paranoia? Overly paranoid is a problem. Dismissing facts to avoid being called paranoid is equally a problem.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial


    lalalalalalala....life is good...nothing out of sorts around here.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Seriously, I have never seen so many reactionary posts and such an effort to do anything but address the point of a thread, in the first place.

    Anybody here at all feel like taking on the question... What will it take for you to start resisting?

    the patriot act, constant surveillance, wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, loss of habeas corpus, executive branch power monopoly to go to war, a congress that sits on it's hands, pretends to care while profiting from the mess just the same?

    It all goes back to taxes. If we didn't give them our money, they wouldn't have the power to do these things.

    We need to start voting in people who promise to lower taxes and start shrinking the government and its power.

    If you're voting for people who want to increase taxes and increase government and thereby increasing government's power, then you're not resisting in my opinion.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.

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